There has been a highly vocal minority of the anti-mandate movement that has argued the COVID-19 pandemic policies are flawed because they are based on the erroneous assumption that the virus exists in the first place. Because the catastrophic failures within the health establishment have greatly increased public skepticism towards “official” scientific positions, this message has gained a significant degree of traction within a vocal minority of our movement.
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I love this article. I have several virus deniers on my substack. While I do not agree with them, they are my valued readers with interesting thoughts on various matters. I do challenge them gently from time to time.
While I do think that virus denial is a mistaken belief, I am pretty certain that I unknowingly hold some other mistaken beliefs, so I just let them say whatever they want and I sometimes make comments to express why I do not agree with them.
Overall, the belief in virus denial is not really a big societal problem, unlike, say, belief that covid vaccine is safe and effective.
Hi Igor. I too appreciate this article, while I might have decided for myself that Viruses do not exist, at least in a contagious manner, I am still open to this debate as I'm just a bloke that hits a keyboard for a living. I appreciate that your engagements with your readers that might not go along with the full germ theory are respectful. I too agree that, right now, the fighting mandates is the more important fight. But I also think that until contagion can be unequivocally proven and that ALL other potentials are ruled out i will be forever on the fence. But I have one issue...
I don't think we will win this battle, at least not until so much damage is done that ends civilisation as we know it. I know that sounds nihilistic, but I see as the opposite. Its made me appreciate a higher force than humans and made me appreciate the joy of another day.
Yeah, we are people and we can agree to disagree. I was infected by a covid infected person, had covid, lost smell for a month, and had other covid symptoms such as diarrhea and lowered blood oxygen. It was not a cold and it was contagious.
Igor - but you understand that Tom Cowan, for example, isn't saying that getting sick from contact with another sick person isn't a thing. He agrees it happens. I myself caught COVID at my first large gathering along with around 10-15% of those there, in 2020. I know *something* is contagious.
He says the disease is a process in the body to deal with a toxin/shock and that the fact this process is going on is transmitted to other people, who are warned - like everyone agrees that trees warn each other of environmental changes - by some unknown process. Say, for example, "shedding" a particle - which might in fact look a lot like the virus particles we analyse. But the point is that they are not the attackers, they are markers, they are information.
I'm not saying I know the answer one way or the other, I know nothing of biochemistry. But I do think the "no virus" claims are internally consistent and not as idiotic as they are made out to be by most people.
The whole problem is this "by some unknown process." He is proposing an alternative model to explain what is occurring, but can't actually state what the model is.
If you hold that logical standard, I could likewise argue every single thing that happens to you was a result of God's will, so there is no point in you trying to have any agency or autonomy because I believe each event being God's will is also a viable explanation...even though in virtually all cases I can't prove it beyond stating that it seems like it's God's will because I saw some similar situations described within the Bible.
Firstly, I wonder if you agree plants and trees communicate chemically to transmit information about, say, a potential hazard or pathogen? My understanding is that this is well understood. Proposing we do it also is not a stretch to me.
Second, insisting on an alternative model when the existing one is so poor is practically assuming your conclusion.
What do I mean by poor? The virus theory for sars-cov-2, says: there is this particle that causes a disease in some percentage of people. We thought it was passed in surfaces, but turned out it wasn't. We said masks stopped it, turned out they didn't. But it gets in there somehow. Which people get actually sick? We can roughly say, but just roughly. There is a highly random component too.
What symptoms does it cause? Well as someone pointed out in a comment above, a sore throat and a loss of sense of smell are both legitimate symptoms. That is, two totally different things in two people, same cause though. We know this, it's not in doubt.
Is this particle the only thing that can cause a sore throat? No, not at all. Loss of sense of smell? This is somewhat more rare and specific to Covid, but also certainly not unique.
So, a single cause has multiple effects. And each effect has multiple other possible causes. And sometimes it has no effect.
I work in engineering. This is the nightmare scenario - many-to-many mapping essentially. And everyone knows to tread super carefully and assume everything is wrong until it is triple and quadruple checked. And even then still think it might be wrong.
Yet in virology, anyone who suggests we might do more tests, do the triple check - they are called a "denier"? I find this highly suspicious and remain on the fence.
And BTW, we'd know - without anyone having to say - that the things we were measuring to give these random effects and different outcomes and so on, that they were just proxies for the real causes. That is, we'd know there are hidden or latent variables that we don't understand that are deterministically driving the process, but that we don't yet know what they are. And we'd be theorising about it. Virologists are happy to say "X didn't get affected because they have a good immune system".
Can we measure the immune system in advance and predict who will get COVID and who will not? No. We can just retroactively say they must have had a good immune system. This circular reasoning, the total absence of a model and any predictive power is of course a sign not of science but of religion.
That said, I know nothing of biochemistry. Maybe virology is correct and they are just being sloppy, or they - via their hands on experience - know things that are hard to demonstrate to someone like me. I could buy this. But let them say this directly. They don't, they try to claim there is cast iron proof when I do not believe this is warranted.
I 100% agree that the form of communication you are describing occurs. Could you send me a link to where Cowan discussed this in relationship to viruses and COVID-19? I would really like to see that because I have been looking into something similar.
If they want a different test done, they need to fund it and they won't.
I don't get it. Just prove contagion and replication with a pure virus isolate. Isolated from anything else. Just prove it. It fine if you cant prove it, but then just admit that you can't
I can't "prove it" because an impossible and arbitrary standard has been put forward over what constitutes that standard. If you read the articles linked to by Kirsch by other authors you will see that:
1) Contagion and replication with a pure virus isolate has been repeatedly demonstrated.
2) The way " prove contagion and replication with a pure virus isolate" is being defined is completely different from what anyone else in the field utilizes.
3) The way " prove contagion and replication with a pure virus isolate" has been defined it is impossible to ever meet that standard.
Tom Cowan literally has an entire book dedicated to "The Contagion Myth".... so you have misunderstood & mis-stated his position. Contagion has never been proven - despite hundreds of experiments being done (so much so that they have stopped trying to prove it all together in their experiments). Virology also never uses a control EVER - except twice. Once in 1954 in the Enders/Peebles measles study and once by Dr Stefan Lanka in 2021. BOTH times. The control experiment PROVED the cytopathic effect was a result of the experiment conditions and NOT the so-called "virus".
If you watch The Baileys and Cowan recent video Jan 2023 discussing McKiernans responses recently, there is a segment where he says he will send the best proof he can think of demonstrating proper isolation. He links a Ralph Baric paper, that references another paper Baric co-authored, within which A CONTROL (mock) assay, displays the very same cytopathic effects as the others of claimed Sars-CoV-2. Quite interesting they did any control and brushed over such result, as though it means nothing at all.
He has a whole chapter in his book where he discusses "resonance". The trees thing was me. But Cowan clearly talks about how people do get these "diseases" together.
Yes, quite, this is the argument that is not understood by most people. Unfortunately most people do not have the ability accept that maybe humans do not yet have all the answers. But if someone is going to claim contagion, then just, please, for the love of God, prove it, just once, but they can't even do that.
Infected? Any evidence? Loss of smell and taste is due to zinc deficiency. My family and I have been living in Shanghai since July 2019. We are NEVER sick. We take a lot of vitamin C, and essential minerals.
Hmm, I guess I must challenge the premise, "rapidly develop"?
That aside, do you not read the literature? The symptom "loss of smell and or taste" is highly correlated with zinc deficiency. (Please review collated works by the Linus Pauling Institute).
Nevertheless, if we are talking about the American population, let us think a bit. 50% obesity; diets loaded in high fructose corn syrup; high levels of consumption of polyunsaturated Omega-6 (sourced from GMO soy, canola, GMO corn, etc.), chronic deficiencies in vitamins C and E (full mixed tocopherols), and essential minerals (zinc, chromium, magnesium, potassium, bio-available calcium, selenium, manganese, copper).
Have you seen the lectures of Chris Knobbe, MD? He explains the relationship between HFCS and how it affects D3 and converts it to D2. Additionally, we can consider the simple relationship between D3 levels, and the ability of the body to absorb calcium, which in turn affects phosphorous levels, and thus integrity of phospholipids at the cellular level. If cell integrity cannot be maintained, then iron is released ...
What did we see early on in 2020? Hyperferritinemia in "Covid" patients. They were often taking Rx drugs for high blood pressure, kidney disease, diabetes, and or statins.
Of course, obese and malnourished Americans suffer oxidative stress. And just as there are different manifestations of oxidative stress, there are different anti-oxidant levels in each person - based on diet, Rx drug use, exercise, absorption rates, and so on.
In closing, you can save a lot of people ... improve their nutrition (I use the taxonomy of Dr. William Kelley), and eliminate their toxic load (from bad and artificial food to vaccines and Rx poison).
It is very rare for people to acutely develop mineral deficiencies.
There hence needs to be a new agent or environmental change people could have been exposed to that would have triggered it.
I am fully familiar with all the information you mentioned, but it falls into a common logical trap other people get stuck in...it does not translate to the chronology of events we witnessed.
Yes normally zinc deficiencies can cause loss of smell/taste, however in the case of Covid it was so wide spread and severe, and taking zinc before, during and afterwards did not resolve the issue, makes me deduce that some other mechanism must have caused it correct? Is it possible either inflammation, toxicity from the spike protein or some other factor caused the damage to the olifactory nerves?
The different levels of oxidative stress in each person and different amounts of medications and varied diets would also account for the rise and fall of 'cases' as opposed to the viral spread of a contagious agent which would suggest ever increasing cases until it burns out. What we have is a pandemic of NCD (non contagious disease) which the WHO forecast back in 2011.
If there is a virus which causes disease, its effect pales in comparison.
My family got covid about a year ago. My eldest daughter returned from university feeling slightly ill. She went and got a covid test and it came back positive. Over the next 4-5 days the rest of us (two parents, two more teenagers) came down with it one after the other. The two girls had both just returned from university, the rest of us lived at home.
We were all sick for 10-14 days with similar symptoms. Low intermittent fever, exhuastion, temporary loss of taste, + various other cold/flu like symptoms.
Are you saying that we all suddenly suffered zinc-deficiencies at the same time despite having been living in different places, consuming different diets, drinking from different water supplies?
Seems far more likely to me that my eldest daughter came home and infected the rest of us.
Could sudden loss of zinc maybe due to sudden increase in glyphosate ingestion? Glyphosate, extensively used on the most common food stuffs like corn, wheat, and soy, binds to many minerals, including magnesium and probably zinc. Glyphosate was originally made to clean minerals from pipes! When glyphosate binds to minerals neither the food plants, nor your body, can use them.
There are studies out of Europe that show that glyphosate is in the human food system, as well as the animal food system. There are no studies about that from the US, they are not allowed to study that. Either the US study won't get funding, or it won't get published. Other studies out of Europe show that animals fed GMO foods with glyphosate double the amount of medical cost per animal.
Good point. I think there is another aspect to the recognition of loss of taste, and or manifestations of zinc deficiency: media. I just met a couple, here in Shanghai, who said that they had "Covid" months ago. He had no taste - for six weeks. She never lost sense of taste, but had a sore throat and dry cough for two weeks. They claim that they were "infected" with the SAME virus. If HE had lost his sense of taste or smell 15 years ago, he never would declare that the had the SAME illness-causing agent as his partner. Similarly, SHE would never believed that her cough was responsible for his loss of taste.
By March 2020, people started getting the idea that any and all signs of illness (cold, flu, headache, etc) were the SAME thing. That is a mass mediated pathology. Like the Amish man said: "we do not have any Covid, because we don't watch television."
What if it is not rapid, but rather a critical mass type of phenomenon? This article just came out https://www.remnantmd.com/phytic-acid/ which happens to discuss zinc.
Glyphosate may confound the problem. What if one cause of what we call covid is deficiency combined with toxicity?
The pathways that the body seeks to restore balance and function after toxic shock or imbalance are many, and may deplete resources available.
So there can be many variable or synergistic 'reasons' for zinc deficiency.
This is then a basis for ensuring to not exclude suspects because our pet theory seems to fit - especially when such a theory has been groomed as The Science, while toxicology and psychic-emotional shock are discarded. In the circumstance the GoF mentality is revealed in the psyop to such a depth of deceit that it reveals inter-generational intent to manipulation of our thought and emotion as a control or defence against disclosure.
The existential threat being communicated through false pretexts is of a collapsing 'system' - so there is an underlying truth in terms of our stake in such a world as we be-lived real.
My sense is that zeta potential or vitality of coherence in the field of life is not primarily caused by what we take in, but what we give forth.
Unhealed or un-owned conflicts are compounded to a world of displacement. Someone else pays, takes the blame, is sacrificed that I or a select we, are 'saved or mitigate fear of pain of loss. Hence gaslighting, greenwashing and identity-conflict as the fuel for a death cult!.
But to return to your question, ask it and gather suspects.
If contagion occurs via other means than as initially conceived , modified and mutated over time, then be open to that minds ARE joined, and water is a matrix of communication for physics as for life.
The archetype of 'fear of possession' the curse, fear of Retribution - set in unconscious guilts (set in mythic identity) are all running as ever they have, but set into complex rationalised reframing.
The intent to possess and control life slips in as an unguarded moment, we meet our reflection or feedback as a violator, adversary, or treachery in life. Our 'justified' defences lock us into what the past made us, and makes us still as the shaped charge of pain of loss.
The term 'tipping point' is invoked for risk-modelling environmental sustainability as narratives of guilt, fear and manipulation of false predicates and 'elastic' variables. But we are at a tipping point AS A RESULT of be-living such deceits - and this shows on all levels including our functional physical, emotional-mental and psychic being.
True foundation is not of our manufacture, but 'waits' on our acceptance. That is, truth is never coercive. That is how we recognise a basis for release or undoing of error.
That's interesting. I was only thinking today how Beijing was being constantly pummeled by sandstorms from the Gobi desert. I know that's not Shanghai but was wondering what came of that, if they fixed it somehow. I'll have to look it up.
Here in Shanghai, like much of China now, people are subjected to throat swabs (for nucleic acid/PCR evaluations). I have done this nearly 60 times since April 2020. Always negative, of course. My supposition is that I am not tested after presenting as sick in the hospital. People in China go to the hospital at the drop of a hat - any sniffle or cough - and they go. I cannot see how anything but that group of hypochondriacs makes up the vast majority of "positive" (yet usually asymptomatic) cases. As well, the average age of death "with" Covid in China is over 80. And in Chinese language, the definition of Covid is pneumonia. So the confirmation of a case should require a chest X-ray. But I have never met a person in China (local or foreigner) who ever said "I had Covid". None of my students or their family members have ever been diagnosed with "Covid." But a grandmother or two has been determined positive for "the virus."
That's interesting. I think many people are becoming hypochondriacs actually, always talking about sickness or healing. I never do any of that stuff and am as fit as a fiddle. And I'm not young chronologically! It's baffling why people are worried about the average age of death being over 80. I could never have believed all this if I hadn't seen it.
No, you BELIEVE you were infected with Covid because a bit of plastic formed 2 lines and that convinced you.
Confirmation bias (and psychosomatic symptoms) then allowed you to believe that you had lost your your sense of smell.
You had the common cold.
Put it this way, if you'd woken in the morning in 2018 with those symptoms (having never heard of Covid) would you have run downstairs and told your wife you had a 'new' virus in you?
No, you would not have batted an eyelid and gone and got some Lemsip.
This is not a 'new' illness, it's actually the oldest illness known to mankind, Mass Psychosis and the only place this 'virus' exists is in yours, and many others, minds.
"a bit of plastic formed 2 lines and that convinced you."
Nothing at all to do with that. Nothing. The tests are a joke.
"Confirmation bias (and psychosomatic symptoms) then allowed you to believe that you had lost your your sense of smell."
I didn't lose my sense of smell.
"You had the common cold."
You have no idea what I had.
"if you'd woken in the morning in 2018 with those symptoms (having never heard of Covid) would you have run downstairs and told your wife you had a 'new' virus in you?"
I've had asthma/weak chest my whole life and I've had more chest infections and flu-like illnesses than anyone I know - way, way more.
Would I have immediately said I have a "new virus"? No I would not have said that. But after a time I most definitely would have noticed - and did notice - whatever was happening was different to all of the dozens and dozens of chest infections I'd had before.
First, it lasted way longer - the tenth day, I could barely stand and it was the worst day. Every other I've had my whole life I was recovered and back in work after 10 days. Second, I got a weird rash/blotches on my ankles and feet - and it was not "psychosomatic", because it was only after I saw these and I googled it that I realised this was a common symptom of this new disease being referred to in the newspapers, whatever it is. And third, the symptoms (specifically the coughing) were way way way worse than anything I've ever had - I was coughing for weeks, and the hacking sound in the second week resulted in a text from my neighbour asking if I was ok.
All unique to my illness in June 2021. After the first gathering I went to, at which a few other people also got similarly ill.
"Mass Psychosis and the only place this 'virus' exists is in yours, and many others, minds."
I have several dozen data points. This particular illness was an outlier, a clear outlier, from all the other chest infections I've had. I absolutely agree there is a "Mass Psychosis" going on here, but you are exhibiting something similar in your complete dismissal of objective facts right in front of your face. Not facts from Branch Covidians, but from someone who saw through this farce from about a week into it. Got a better explanation for why I got uniquely ill? I'm all ears. I'm not tied to anything. But you dismissing out of hand evidence that some people experienced something new - saying it's in my head - makes you just as bad as them.
Dear John, would you by any chance humour me and allow me to ask if you happen to be a Gemini? You mention too that your Covid case, seemingly different from all prior flu/chest infections that have plagued your life, was in June, which is its matching month. You also mention rashes then appearing on your ankles, then feet. Which happen to match up somewhat nicely with something. May I ask politely too, if you also suffered from any Bowel issues with this, or pains in your solar plexus region at the time at all? If so there is a possible connected explanation and something you may wish to look into that may help alleviate or lesson your recurrent flu like/chest infections in future, that may indeed interest you, if you are willing to suspend some disbeliefs to test the theory out in a harmless manner. Kind regards and I hope you are in good health in 2023.
" if you also suffered from any Bowel issues with this, or pains in your solar plexus region at the time at all?"
I don't remember this no so probably not. I'm a Sagittarius.
But I am always open to learning new stuff if you have something related to this I could read or test something? The rashes "match up" with something?
This in June 2021 was literally my first gathering. Several people got sick, about 15% of people who attended. Some very sick like me, we were in a WhatsApp group afterwards.
You're wrong again. I don't "want" to believe anything, I don't care what it was, I'm just reporting the facts.
"your opinion that it was way worse there is still no evidence that you had a 'new' virus"
Firstly, it's not my "opinion" it was way worse. By any reasonable metric, it was in fact in every way worse than the dozens I've had before. What makes it so hard for you to accept this?
Second, I agree - that "there is still no evidence that you had a 'new' virus". I'm not disagreeing with this.
The fact is that at the same time the media and the world was reporting there was a new disease floating around, I had a chest infection that was clearly worse and had a different character to all of the dozens I've had before. And in at least one respect (the blotches on my feet) it matched what other people reported.
I'm open to what it was, maybe bacterial, maybe a "new virus" (though I doubt this too), maybe something else. I'm just stating the facts and taking them on board. You can keep telling yourself it was in my mind, but it was in fact in my body - you're the one making stuff up in your head, denying basic facts and making them fit your worldview. Like you seem to now telepathically know I had a "bacterial chest infection", despite your previous post telling me equally categorically that I had a "common cold".
Bouncing from one categorical statement to another contradictory one, while calling anyone not agreeing with you 100% an idiot, is exactly what the Branch Covidians are doing.
How do you know mass hysteria is not a social masking to a lesser from of fear so as to regain some sense of normality and control? Even madness and death are chosen as preferable to intolerable fear or pain of loss.
The experience is not in question. What is questionable is our interpretive perception-response patterns. Otherwise any belief would be irrevocable and self-damming belief - God-proof!
You are not in question, but you are the freedom to question or be curious as to WHO told you you were naked (susceptible or defenceless to attack)?
The nature of toxic shock is not recognised by attempts to limit and depreciate the mind. This is the death spiral to 'narrative dictate' or zero-tolerance risk-models to "deniers". It expressed emotional charge as self-certainty. But we are never certain, at rest or whole in conflict, no matter how intensely we invest in it.
But all of what I offer applies equally to the identity set in virus denial.
The ego-use of denial is like the 'War on whatever' - it feeds and protects conflict as a source of funding and control, as a mask of 'caring', 'protecting' or 'saving'.
Belief as a mask is a defence, not a true calling or conviction. And so it breaks down. What we live to each other is what we actually believe, not what we say.
I am sorry, but I do not know the context of your statement. Of course, people die every day. My main concern and area of analysis has been "excess" deaths and or trends. I believe that in most countries, through 2021, the average age of a person who was recorded as a "Covid death" was at or above the current life expectancy of that country, and definitely lived longer than their life-expectancy at birth (circa 1940).
Additionally, for those who understand the benefits of antioxidants, we see that standard "Western" medical treatment is often iatrogenic, and things like Remdesivir, instead of IV vitamin C, and other nutrients, killed many people.
That aside, I am always delighted to suggest protocols to anyone. My parents are 93 and 82 respectively, and have not had a cold or sniffles in this "Covid" era. They followed my regimen of high dose vitamin C, D3, exercise, zinc, selenium, and magnesium glycinate. As well, they eschew any and all artificial foods (e.g., hydrogenated oils, aspartame, artificial colors, preservatives, etc.).
I think that you can find that Sayer Ji, (GreenMed Info) also advised people to eat health, organic foods, get lots of anti-oxidants, and so forth.
Lastly, the term "virus" denier, is akin to saying "unicorn" denier. Obviously we have all seen artists renderings, but to see the "real thing", well, that should be proven by those who say that: (a) exogenous viruses exist; and (b) such are pathogenic, after being inhaled. I encourage you to ask virology professor Vincent Racaniello at Columbia. He says that humans encounter billions of viruses daily ... but for some reason, he cannot explain why we are not always sick ...
If you "fight" anything you are giving it more energy. This is something the looney toones know but keep from the people. Just say no, it's so simple. Don't wear the mask, don't go get tested, don't put masks on your children and find out about anything you put into your children's body. So simple. Don't fight anything, while you fight, they know they're winning, they know, you are giving their agenda your energy, even if you're against it. Because you are not building YOUR agenda. What is your agenda do you even know it?
Folks who carry a lot of financial debt cannot choose whether or not to comply. It’s a pretty common form of slavery, even if it is ultimately self-imposed.
I can’t help but notice there are overlapping similarities with addiction.
I'd disagree with self-imposed. I don't remember ceding govt authority to print currency to a bunch of banksters (it happened before I was born). And once they've got the system set up (and using entrainment tech & propaganda to encourage debt), we're trapped until we create an alternative. The banksters like it when we disparage each other instead of looking at the Himalayan-slope playing field.
I understand your point of view and completely agree the Banksters are evil. But Debt is still something that people literally sign up for.
I’ve been aware that the situation we find ourselves in was coming for over three decades. I read about Bretton Woods and I watched Nixon remove us from the Gold Standard. I remember the gas lines of the 1970’s. As such I made a promise to my self and my family to only pay for things in cash as I could afford them. My journey has been ENORMOUSLY difficult at times. Yet, in many ways, it has become totally freeing.
There were times when I didn’t own a car. I made a living selling junk on eBay. All of my clothing and children’s clothing was second-hand. I haven’t had a television for 35 years. We spent a lot of time at the library because it’s free and we’ve each learned a lifetime of self-sufficiency skills. It was not easy but it has surely paid off.
I know better than most that the playing field is not level. It’s precisely why I REFUSE to play their game.
I want to post a thesis, my own opinion, your opinion, my rebuttal, and your rebuttal. I am not sure how to organize it as there are several virus deniers. I want your opinion to be heard and delivered and my readers can decide.
We can also just open a thread and debate in comments, but it will be messier and less entertaining.
Get over yourself Jan. I'm not the expert. You were being condescending and your tone was way off. I may have lost my cool but you were pressing my buttons more than my teenage daughter.
You blame others for your emotions? So then you're responsible for theirs right? It doesn't make sense to blame others for your emotions. You are the driver there.
No Denise, I don't blame others, as I admit, I lost my cool, this because I got a little agitated by an insistent irritating stalker. I should, however, have known better
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I have nothing against beliefs. My only fear is that the victims of a bio-terrorist attack do not recognize clearly who their enemy is after 2.5 years despite the published facts by the predators.
Clown Schwab and Kill Gates have lined up a bunch of viruses to be released before 2030 and if even the red-pilled still doubt that viruses are been released (SARS-Cov-2 and Money pox) to destroy them, I don't know what to say. It's not a matter of belief, these are facts.
We only have reason as our "weapon". They have the media, billionaires, government, custom, power, all the advantages. And what do we have - you and me? Free speech and body autonomy. And everyone is handing that off like there's no tomorrow.
Thanks for saying that. It's always fine if people disagree with me, bring it on. State reasons and we go back and forth like that till we land on our truth. This is our safety net actually. The truth can live up to scrutiny. And we are all learners and teachers throughout our lives. Your newsletter is great because you uphold free speech. That is the gold standard to me.
But couldn't they sicken us without the use of viruses? There are plenty of harmful substances they could use, not the least of which is radiation and statospheric poisoning.
and the crap in the food and all the chemicals in toiletries, flame retardant on fabrics, glyphosate on the cereal. It's a miracle any of us are still alive and a testament to human strength. We look kinda frail and gangly, but we're actually as tough as nails.
I’ve often pondered the release of harmful substances into the environment. “They” that engage in this release must also have an antidote for their own protection. We need to focus on those protective substances.
Perhaps indeed, as they would neither release air, water, or indeed jab shed threats to themselves without an antidote. So perhaps there really is nothing but fear and toxic jabs they avoid like the plague itself, if such was not always just excuses for other causes they too avoided then.
They've released a bioweapon and anything else they release will also be augmented/synthetic so I do think it's mistaken to just say 'virus' with regard to what emerged in 2019/20 and what will be released. People are going to continue dying from effects from the shots which likely includes effects from the nanotechnology.... Of course, the point of any actual viral release will mainly be to create new "vaccines" to further poison the true believers and push for further mandates to poison the rest of us.
Well if we sit it out, who have we got to blame? We need to debate good and hard whenever something doesn't make sense and especially when something is being censored.
I can only speak from what I have seen from the hundreds of people that I know know and have come in to contact with in the last 2.5 years, and that is to say that, if they made Covid as a bio weapon, they are shit at making contagious bio weapons. The bio weapon is the vax, and TBH, even that only kills slowly in the vast majority. I have no fear of their "contagious" viruses. But I do fear the effect of their propaganda and vaxes on my gullible loved ones.
Agree 100% - I am not competent to make reasoned judgments as to no virus/virus etc. But I just don't see how the deadly virus/bio weapon side of the debate accounts for all of the obvious fakery. The change of death certificate protocols; the whole died with/died of issue; the fraudulent PCR test; the perverse reimbursements to hospitals; the disappearance of influenza in 2020, the steep decline in cancer and cardiac deaths in 2020; the lack of excess mortality in 2020 (excepting the Mar-May period when all the old people died in the LTC facilities) - the acknowledged military grade psychological operation, the fact that so many rulers were not the least frightened personally; Dr Brix insisted that people not travel at Thanksgiving 2020 and restrict family gatherings; yet she traveled to and gathered with her family at her seaside villa. It goes on and on.
I suppose, to quote a famous person, at this point what difference does it make? "The bio weapon is the vax".
The MonkeyPox appears to have been merely side effects of the Covid Shots as either Acute Inflammatory Blistering Syndrome (lol) or possible lack of control of Herpes Zoster as Shingles. It was blamed on gay sexual transmission and looked not only ridiculous but perverted and disgusting when kids and dogs apparently exhibited such. Perhaps from familial shedding for the dogs or the childrens shots. So the CDC and WHO seemed to drop that one pronto. Besides, all so called POXES, can be cured with the traditional remedy from the 1800s of Saraccenia Purpura Pitcher Plants, as the Native Americans discovered, when Arsenic laden soaps were used to wash furs upstream of their settlements, which was blamed on SmallPox infected blankets, as bio-weapons. Even though there is really no difference, from one boil like manifestation of toxic chemicals and poisons to another, in such expressions perhaps.
Hmmm.... I just lost a fairly lengthy reply to this re POXES and jab side effects and natural remedies for Poxes from Pitcher Plants that Native Americans discovered when they were in theory smote down by blanket bourne bio-weapons. The reality far more likely they were poisoned by fur traders upstream by accident.
Ooops my error, I did not lose the prior post. It just wandered off further down this old substack post to below this. Thought maybe the content was toxic, or I had sent too many messages to an old thread and was viewed a spambot.
Yes that's an important factor that people forget - our body is an amazing adapter. The human body more than any species. Fear is the thing that debilitates our health. Right on! The ghouls know it, that is why they have to keep the attacks going in every direction.
the whole vax scam was allowed to be instituted BECAUSE people believe there are actual "viruses"...if there are no viruses theres no need for vaxxines or hundreds of other big pharma concoctions...which means big pharma and the government can no longer fearmonger the public into getting vaxxed...and this would put an end to any future "virus plandemics"....thats why its of UTMOST importance to VERIFY or DISPROVE the existence of viruses....I am 68 and never got vaxxed or even "tested" not because I didnt believe there were no viruses but because I didnt trust the government OR big pharma...and I have read several books that exposed the vaccine scam...ALL vaxxines...now I have a question...if there is a "virus" be it "man made" or from a bat...why hasnt it killed any of the millions of pets in americas homes? does the virus just hate humans? if so I can understand its reasoning....thanks
Well said. Also, there’s no way that the eugenocidal sociopaths running this giant fraud and crime would release into the world a pathogen that could attack them. Nobody with a brain trusts medicine and antidotes 100%.
IMO, the pathogen escaped before it was ready (sloppy safety protocols in Wuhan, somebody probably bribed the inspector, very common in China). And they were tweaking it to attack those who can't afford good healthcare, organic food and holidays at the beach. It's evil genius really.
You make valid point that proving once and for all IF, or IF NOT, Viruses or bacterial transmission of a contagion is possible, would indeed make or break Pharmas model and Political scams, IF, they are scams. Given that most viral (if not all) and apparently even bacterial experiments proved fruitless to prove transmission in experiments in the past, even apparently eating drinking huge quantities of bacterial cultures of numerous supposed pathogens (Pettenkofer of Vienna, Fraser of Canada, Powell of California Feb 1921 US Gov "Hygenic Lab Bulletin No.123")
As for pets, well, WEF has said for Green Agendas they want less pets or better still none. They are coming for the livestock too as food supply, to either kill it off totally, or to contaminate it even further. However, with regards pet transmission, we can take 2 views.
1) IF a Zoonotic Bat Virus did indeed jump to humans, or was GoF Lab made to do so, then it likely does not have receptor binding for other species, so our pets should be fine, bar years of freak mutations and then possible human to animal transfer.
If its GoF made, then perhaps they made it capable of such. Yet no evidence of pets catching or dying OF, OR WITH Covid-19 has been shown, beyond use of FAKE PCR to claim a pet, or Larry the LLama is Covid +ve and then whack him with a swat team on live TV. so scare people
Besides that incident, they did however Cull 17 Million Mink, to give impression of variants before such were mentioned in human terms. Notice they did not clean up the spilt Mink carcasses anywhere they fell off trucks. So clearly they knew it was BS and just a ruse for later possible stories of outbreaks they could blame on Covid, or other weird illnesses from jab side effects.
They also ran Black Plague, Hog Fever, and other endless scare stories and are now culling pigs, sheep and cows and birds using fake PCR to claim infections, just to destroy the food supply, all based on the equivalent of Fergusons BSE modelling (with pre bought Pyre wood for Cow burnings by the MoD) and a swap that can find any claimed virus even unopened and not shoved up Faustis Pinocchio holes.
Oh don't forget they also did that 12 Monkeys scare, where a truck of lab monkeys crashed off a highway and a lady got bitten after thinking it was Gizmo not Stripe in the cage. They even pulled that stunt in the exact area that the 12 Monkeys Film was made just for shits and conspiracy giggles. Or maybe they did already time travel back and that was the MonkeyPox farce prior to releasing the KRAKEN ME UP now!!
2) They plan to carry on killing our pets the usual way, with the old pet vaccines that none of them need and the additional Covid mRNA Shots for cats dogs and zoo animals.
Sadly we have already seen many Zoo animals lost to the covid shots and now they want self amplifying mRNA shots in all livestock.
Question is, can (sa)mRNA carry the full covid jab payload into a human host from contaminated meat, given that the animal will have learned to make the SPIKE and the SPIKE, is a PRION and PRIONS are notoriously hard to denature, even via autoclave, absent HypoChlorous Acid (HOCl) (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27685252/ which I doubt is all that food friendly, even if a natural human body cell product?
Then there is option 3 for pets.
3) They plan to cull our livestock as food, then us as their livestock and possible food, then re-wild the planet as their own personal Eden absent poor people, and they will allow our pets to roam and evolve, so they can hunt them, along with our kids, without fake anti-hunting movements or any legal risks of normalised pedovore behaviours bothering them.
Personally I opt for 2 and 3 and reckon 1 is a scam, to achieve the latter two later on.
There is no such thing as "the belief in virus denial." It is like saying that "I believe in fairy dust denial." If unicorns exist, please show me one. If viruses exist, are contagious, and pathogenic, please show me. Lanka is still pledging 100,000 euro to anyone who can prove measles virus exists.
WE GUARANTEE: 1,5 million € for a virologist who presents scientific proof of the existence of a corona virus, including documented control experiments of all steps taken in the proof. https://samueleckert.net/isolate-truth-fund/
That paper "Ebola Virus RNA Stability in Human Blood and Urine in West Africa’s Environmental Conditions" does NOT:
(1) define the genetic structure of Ebola "virus"
(2) show that Ebola "virus" is transmissible
(3) show that Ebola "virus" causes any disease
(4) present ANY methodology for purification and proof of the existence of Ebola "virus"
Instead the authors declared that: "We measured EBOV RNA stability in blood and urine samples from 7 case-patients with laboratory-confirmed Ebola."
So someone ELSE told them that 7 people had "Ebola" - they fail to say if the people were sick. Did they mean "lab confirmed" illness or presence of virus?
We do not know the methodology by which the "lab" confirmed Ebola. And to show parallels with the "polio" studies of Flexner in 1909, and 1912, "finding" a "virus" does NOT prove causation or pathology. Flexner injected matter into the skulls of monkeys and then "found virus" in the throats and spinal column of the animals. But the "virus" was not present BEFORE the brain surgery. That is the whole point. It is not enough to "find virus". One also needs to show pathology.
Yesterday, I cut myself shaving. But the scab on the outside of my skin is NOT from an invading exogenous virus. It is a natural (endogenous) process which occurs in response to a need; and a regular part of the healing process.
The point I am trying to illustrate is that there have been a lot of papers where virus samples were taking from infected individuals and then sequenced, but the unspecified burden of proof your side wants is so high none of them will ever work and simultaneously they will not define what they actually need.
This is why the debathe is meaningless until you can define exactly what needs to be done to settle the debate and epthetics like "then why haven't they isolated a virus from someone who was infected" are empty rhetoric.
This is NOT a debate. Rather it is merely simple observation about the scientific method of proof (i.e., falsifiability).
The terms, methods, and standards of proof have been established within the "scientific" field. These come from Koch, Bradford Hill, and Enders.
Prof. Lanka (the virologist) has demonstrated how the standard method of virology (via Enders) does not prove viruses exist; and does not purify any pathogen. And no one is satisfying Koch's postulates with their "viruses".
When you claim that there are "infected individuals" either you presume there is an exogenous pathogen that entered their body, or you mean "sick person."
I would not agree that the phrase: "then why haven't they isolated a virus from someone who was infected" is an epithetic. But what is the meaning of "isolated"? Do you mean "purified"?
(The complaint of Kaufman, Cowan, and Lanka is that modern virology uses the term "isolate(d)" in their papers, but their process of "isolation" mixes tissues and cells from two or three animals, and a host of exogenous chemicals. Thus, virology proclaims isolation, without showing anything unique or distinct.)
And what is the meaning of your use of the word "infected"?
In the 1700s and 1800s, the term "infected" was applied in the case of inoculation - that is, when some pus and or other matter was placed inside the blood or open wound of a patient. Hence the notion of being "infected" was evident.
As well, infection was manifest as pustules. A person with pustules clearly had some process going on under their skin.
In that context, infect/infected was distinct from contagion/contagious. But more often, in the present, the term "infected" implies the notion of an external pathogen which is purportedly contagious. Thus infection implies "virus." But rhetoric does not prove the existence of a "virus."
Thank you for this reply. I know this was nearly two years ago, but I enjoy the clarity of your response. Do you by chance write for Substack or share your information somewhere?
Dear Cheri Murray, so nice to hear from you. I do not have a substack. As I mentioned, I have spent the last couple of years reading and editing (and annotating) the works of Jenner (1798; 1799; 1800) and White (1885). I am working on a book to explain the genealogy of the present in re virology, vaccinology, and germ theory. I am tracing the history of arguments and evidence about inoculation/vaccination on smallpox. My idea is that once people see that the root of the tree is poison, they will avoid the "fruit of the poisonous tree" (lol).
I have articles on Vaxxter. I might complete another about the famous picture of two boys (so-called vaxxed vs unvaxxed, circa 1902). I also am writing a piece about invaccinated syphilis. In Jan 2021, a Canadian author (McGill Univ) complained that anti-Covid vax was parallel to anti smallpox vax, in that there are lies now about the Covid-vax causing harms, illness and death, and there were LIES then (complaints can so-called vaccination caused death, injury, and syphilis). See https://mjm.mcgill.ca/article/view/770/591
Of course BOTH complaints - generations apart - are and were accurate. I seek to highlight how the anti-vax movement has been ever present, and that the anti-anti-vax PR campaigns started in 1799, and have never stopped.
I am not associated with the site offering the reward, but besides this being a paper on Ebola, not coronavirus, I think Kerry Mullis would have an issue with this statement from the study: "Real-time reverse transcription PCR (rRT-PCR) has become the standard diagnostic tool for patients infected by Ebola virus (EBOV) (1,2)." PCR is not to be used for diagnosis. The paper does not describe the identification of Ebola, it assumes it is there based on PCR.
John Rappoport has looked into Ebola and suggests that there are a number of other causes for the symptoms described as Ebola. I have not looked into Ebola in particular, but for now I am relying on other researchers who have looked at more papers than I have and have yet to find one that describes the purification and genomic sequencing of any virus as a whole entity, rather than piecing it together from fragments. If there is such a paper, I am certainly interested in seeing it, as the 'no virus' folks either missed it or have misinterpreted it.
I am one. And my 15 years of research on vaccines and viruses was not colored by Main Stream Medical Propaganda. I'll be just fine "believing" there is no such thing as a "Viral Pathogen" that goes around looking to attack healthy cells. Cheers!
"Overall, the belief in virus denial is not really a big societal problem, unlike, say, belief that covid vaccine is safe and effective."
this highlights that fact that humanity gets into trouble when any idea is forced into belief through a power structure. almost all beliefs would be acceptable and innocuous if people were truly to accept or not accept them.
OMGosh this is awesome. Notice that people get really mad when the truth is spoken? This is amazing. Dr Kaufman is a real hero. The pressure to not speak the obvious truth that everyone believes, is huge.
I'm another simple guy who knows that I will not be able to resolve this issue. I do not want to exclude any skeptics from the Narrative critics, especially since there is nothing inherently offensive about not believing in viruses. Regarding the need for prompt treatment, I don't believe anyone would really object to that.
Skeptics of vaccinology started in the 1700s. And they were so successful that the petro-chemical / pharmaceutical industry could not take over until it used mass media, and took over medical schools and state houses to push poison over health. I call it a virus.
What? I am always focused on health. There is no virus of which I need to worry - rather nutrition. No masks, no "hand sanitizer", no eschewing hugs. No illness in my family. We are vax free.
I take it that you and your friends never got sick with flu before? And suddenly, you all started getting sick, after COVID showed up in the picture?
Know anyone that died of COVID? I don't really know, but I have heard about people killed in the hospital, with "protocols" and deadly medications (Remdesivir).
We cannot trust the data. Covid hasn't even been isolated so the rest of the case is moot. Nobody is even finding out if covid has been isolated. It's just assumed. Makes everyone ultra gullible. The covid farce has shown just how mindless the general population is. I mean by about 99%. Worrisome.
Covid hasn't been isolated. Can you show that it has because all the facts I've seen say it hasn't. Funny how this fundamental claim is totally ignored. Nobody seems ask. And then everyone fights about things that are based on a fraud.
And the reply to this of course is "the virus debunkers refuse to define what "being isolated" means or how that could be done with existing technology so this argument can be maintained indefinitely."
There is an aspect of covid that can cause very low oxygen saturation around day 10 for some ppl not all. I was trying to keep us all out of the hospital for the reasons you state.
If covid progresses, low O2 sat can occur. Mostly because of an incompetent immune response causing inflammation. What is mostly responsible for incompetent immune response? Vitamin D deficiency, which is very common in the winter in the elderly.
There is an aspect that it undermines your efforts to find sequences and say patents that might have been given in advance of Covid coming on the scene. Some of this stuff is smoking gun..
I don't care who subsidizes him. I don't even know him, but I've been able to access the patents (officially available) and scientific publications that I needed for my own research thanks to his research. I do my own research!!!
People should not become believers, they should be doing their own homework, especially after the 2020 attack.
I get it but we do have to care how they are funded. David Martin is a patent's lawyer who probably has a vaccine to be released in the future and that may be his motive. His logo is also questionable as it looks very freemasonry. The powers do put out propaganda actors and they're very, very, good. After all, they are publicly funded in black ops money.
That's what you noticed on his website. Now the best thing to do to help the community is to start validating those hypotheses.
You may end up with very interesting findings.
Example: When I suspected that the Vatican was no longer catholic back in the 80s, I started researching them until I had a solid proof that it was run by the Italian P2 Freemasonic lodge. This is a fact now, not a hypothesis...
If you're a truth believer, be ready to work hard to untangle the fake from the real!!
The patents that show that Pfizer was producing bio-weapons since 1999 are available.
I can give you the reference if you want.
That's the information that I need. I don't care about Pfizer's relationships with anybody.
I care about the facts happening in the labs. I am not a political scientist. I gather all patents, peer reviewed papers and make my own decision...
Do you believe that in order to cite a publication in your own scientific research you have to agree with the beliefs of the author? If that's the case you'll never cite any other author in your publications!!!
It isn't in the 'vaccines' but the mRNA to 'transfect the cell' wrapped in hydrogel laced with nanoparticles is sold as instructing the cells to synthesis the 's-protein. Which is also supposed to be the binding compenent of an in silico virus or computer generated definition..
The s-protein is in my opinion a key GoF asset for instruments of manipulation on a par with the financial system.
What exactly is it? How is it determined to being found? Is it found in non injected people? In novax no covid people?
No one looks or even asked because the know it is what they are told by the wizard in the sealed booth pulling levers.
You cant patent nature -that's illegal, and that making viruses is biowarfare - also illegal. But the psyop of making up virus definitions under defence to use as hybrid warfare is neither of those but needed legal protections and leveraging of copyright?
The hacking hijacking violator I see is an eGoF - manipulative deceit set in nocebo.
And WHO told you you were naked/defenceless/ susceptible/weak/targeted etc?
the "belief in a virus" is a HUGE problem...why? well because the medical mafia cartel depends on the public believing in the invisible "viruses" so they will always require big pharma's pills and vaccines to kill the "virus" AND they can continue the "virus pandemic scam" forever...as they have been doing since the polio days...and even before then...heres a short video with Dr.s Cowan and Kaufman presenting five questions for the "virus scientists"...will they reply? probably not...https://www.bitchute.com/video/rekrHZ52IKZy/
Well, that's true. The idea that the jabs are safe is much more dangerous. But the Midwestern Doctor's point that some people didn't look for treatment because they assumed Covid didn't really exist or was a walk in the park is a very good point. It is a gain of function virus deliberately created to do damage - maybe not deliberately released, moot point there - and it is a Very Nasty Thing. Less so as Omicron. Still to be taken seriously. I know someone who got it recently, low Vit D, was very knocked out by it. Had Delta, got jabbed due to pressure re flying, maybe that made it worse. But still, not a walk in the park for all.
Everyone I know who chooses to ignore viruses takes extremely good care of themselves in an almost religious way. I can assure you that while to many we appear ignorant to "science" we are not ignorant to good health. I'm yet to come across a virus denier whose had anything more than a runny nose in the last two years. Also, I might add that ,if I am wrong and contagious viruses are a thing; if this is man made gain of function then it was most definitely intentionally released, and also, its a bit shit.
I agree on the point that us "deniers" are more health conscious than most. But, we are not saying a lab cannot make toxic products that can cause illness. "Spike proteins and prions" can be bought online. They can cause illness. This is no proof that there is a SARS-COV2 Virus that is the basic cause of these many illnesses that have common symptoms.
Treatment? For cold, flu, pneumonia? The basics are: water, IV vitamin C (read Klenner 1949), selenium (Chen et al 1980; Chen 2021), zinc, magnesium (glycinate or taurine), D3 (Chris Knobbe), chromium (Chris Barr), and copper (Morley Robbins). (Maybe vitamins A and E).
What treatment? That which came from Zelenko (mainly quercetin and zinc)? How about that from the Chinese practitioners using IV vitamin C? Or do you advocate the Remdesivir kidney failure special?
Nearly everyone, at one time in the life, gets the sniffles. But pneumonia is the leading cause of death for people over 85. That speaks to toxic accumulation, not "viral contagion."
"Gain of function" research can be real, but the possibility, of foreign proteins (aka virions or virus like particles) entering your nose, mouth, eyes, or other orifices, and causing illness, is ZERO.
Remember the first "polio" studies only "proved" contagion after injecting monkeys in their brains. See Flexner 1909. Pasteur did the same with rabbits and dogs; he "proved" the existence of rabies by injecting material in the brains of animals.
Back to that 1/10th of 1 percent of Americans, who were obese, on multiple Rx drugs, and had diabetes, high blood pressure, heart and or kidney disease ... of course they got ill. They were already ill. Then the iatrogenesis pushed them over.
But to reiterate, there is NO omicron - because there is no "SARS-1, SARS-Cov-2, no "delta strain", nor any other exogenous, contagious virus. But if I failed to take my supplements ... after a while, I would get sick too. Not from the fairy dust nor a unicorn, but due to a lack of nutrition. Have you read about the works of Gerson, William Kelley, Gary Null, and others who heal with food, and nutrition?
Hi Marta, I believe that the size of the highly organised/prepared response is the very thing that has led to most actually believing that this thing is real. I honestly believe that anyone that has not watched an ounce of TV or listened to an ounce of radio of opened a single newspaper (basically done all they can to shield themselves from brainwashing) would not have noticed anything out of the ordinary with regards to personal illness in 2020. Anything that was OOTO could be put down to 5G, stress etc. This is a disease of the mind. People have always had weird OOTO periods of detox in their lives, myself in 2001 when I was laid up for two weeks with no taste or smell, but it was not covid. Now, if someone has this experience its deffo covid. No, its not covid. I do not believe that many actually understand just how fraudulent the testing is to this very day
Oh, I absolutely agree with everything you said. And you are right too in regards to testing. Don't enjoy calling people stoopid but what else? If presented (they don't accepted anything but "official authority's" statements, don't you know!) with contradicting of those, nothing gets through. There is one thing: through all that I've been watching msm
here (Oz) checking every day what crap are they spewing, to make sure
I'm aware what most population is "consuming". Reckon you should be aware what the enemy's doing. LOL
Well credit to you for being able to stomach it. I can't. But I know what they are saying by listening to the crazy that those all around are spewing. I have half my family in Oz. They just seem to love the coolaid. Its very painful, we don't talk anymore, to be honest I'm avoiding them as much as they are avoiding me.
You should be glad we have the patience to persist with you Igor.
One day you will actually research the impact of electro-magnetic radiation and maybe recognise that if there is no virus, no vaccine or mandates thereof is necessary.
heres a short video with Drs. Cowan and Kaufman presenting the "virus" believers with five questions...will they reply? I doubt it....https://www.bitchute.com/video/rekrHZ52IKZy/
Not telling the whole truth IS a problem. It's a huge problem. Why do you let it go? Why "be gentle"? Just say your truth and what you think and we'll answer.
I believe it’s important to note that if there is or isn’t a microbe isn’t as important to understand that deaths from every so-called infectious disease declined by massive amounts before any vaccine or significant medical intervention. This began in the late 1800s into the mid-1900s. Measles deaths were down 98% to almost 100%. Whooping cough deaths were down 92% to 100%. Scarlet fever deaths (a bigger killer than the previously mentioned two) were down 100% without a vaccine and well before penicillin was being used. Flu/pneumonia deaths were down 90% before vaccination began in the 1970s. Yet, after 40 years of vaccination, the death rate remains the same as when it started. Smallpox persisted and killed many for 70+ years after a vaccine was available and only declined in deaths during the same time frame. Smallpox went from killing 1 in 5 to a near zero fatality rate often being confused with chickenpox.
Why? The terrain (to use that term) changed radically across societies and individuals. Sanitation, nutritious non-rotting food, labor/child labor laws, electricity, plumbing, transportation, dreadful pollution, etc., were what made the difference. So by the 1950s, infectious diseases were not considered much of a problem. Yet, today this – the greatest health revolution in human history – remains largely forgotten and replaced with the idea of medical intervention to solve all our problems while mostly ignoring the true nature of disease – the health of ourselves and societies.
It isn't clear to me who the "vocal minority" of "bad faith" actors that you aim to discredit in this piece are. When you say, "by promoting an extremist version of terrain theory, it is poisoning the well for the important parts of terrain theory to enter the discussion", who are you referring to exactly?
It would seem that no one in particular is named as to not cause strife. I consider this to be a gracious move. But I’ll name them no problem, given I’m no one so I should offend too many egos. The Baileys, Cowan, Kaufman, and there are a handful of supporting cast and actors, but the best arguments offered have been in “virus mania“, and personally I have suggested that when it comes to the “AIDS“ issue, Robert F Kennedy Junior does a fantastic job in “the real Anthony Fauci“, discussing the different ways to look at this issue that have been brought up by other experts in the field, and I think he gives the virus mania people fair credit well not being insulting, but provides a better hypothesis from people such as Peter Duesberg and Montagnier. Perhaps there’s a synergistic element as yet unidentified. This could also go for why certain people are susceptible to “Covid-19” and it’s worst presentation. Again this is something I’ve been arguing early, it makes sense to try to identify what makes certain people susceptible for the worst outcomes instead of trying to find one “silver bullet” “solution” that’s applicable to all people. But that rabbit hole of course takes us to the digital IDs and the universal basic income and programmable money, on and on and on.
That said, the way that Fauci and his assorted minions seem to have oriented the entire field, specifically around the “AIDS” model, is eerily reminiscent of exactly the way that the SARScov-2 hysteria was generated, with testing becoming the mainstay and driving force behind continually pumping money back into the infrastructure that maintains the ever present sense of “danger”, that keeps the emergency alive as it were. This is best summed up of course by suggesting that if there was a deadly pandemic happening, we shouldn’t need to test to find it, we should just count the dead bodies piling up in the hallway. But that doesn’t go very far to promote the “safetyism” angle, and the ideology that’s tied up in all of this, especially the one that comes directly from the WHO itself, suggesting “none of us are safe unless we’re all safe…”.
This of course bridges the gap between the “pandemic” and the reset agenda that ties together activist camps and technology companies, all working to end the “existential” threats that have channeled the all into supporting the effort, and is just enough to provide the cognitive dissonance required to deny the reality of the damages we see happening all around us, because, well, we have to do SOMETHING about “climate change” and “capitalism” and “racism” aka “right wing extremism” aka “anti authoritarianism” if we wish to “save the Planet”, don’t we? All the “inequality”.
I’m doing my best as a layman and a desperate new writer to try and connect some of those dots for people as I think are “Ideology”, and dogma driven, and that’s the best way to understand why all of this happening, but it’s outside of the preview of an average citizen who is too busy to consider all these different elements, but it’s something I personally have been thinking about for years, even pre Covid.
The question is: has the existence of any of the alleged microbes that are alleged to be the cause of these allegedly infectious diseases ever been definitively proven to exist? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, especially when there’s so much circumstantial evidence apparently/arguably refuting the germ theory and viral causes?
Adding to the suspicions are the massive financial conflicts of interest that have existed from the very beginning, especially from Flexner/Rockefeller onward in the early 20th century, that have pushed the dominant theory, against widespread opposition/skepticism, even amongst many doctors and scientists of their time, all but gaining both an ideological and medical monopoly by sheer political and economic power as opposed to the scientific merits.
The class interests are obvious, and not just because drugs and vaccines have been and continue to be extremely profitable, but also with regard to social control of the population by both debilitating and weakening people with toxic medications as well with all the other known and pervasive environmental toxins (in food, water, air, etc.) making them/us much less likely and able to resist and revolt against specific injustices and the overall unjust social order. There is also the added ruling class benefit of deflecting attention away from the true causes of disease, most, if not all, are easily preventable (and affordable) with the same political/public health solutions you mentioned which worked miracles in the past, thus saving themselves from blame, since they crafted the policies and created the very conditions they refuse to correct because, as I mentioned, they’ve gotten very rich from them and it isn’t in their interests to have a healthy, robust population of who they (rightly) view potential gravediggers (Marx’s phrase referring to the revolutionary proletariat).
(The weaponization of virology and “pandemics” for the purposes of class war has never been more apparent than during the last few years with regard to the obvious ways in which “covid” has been, at the very least, exploited for *pre-planned*, and extremely nefarious, political purposes, which, even more frighteningly, seems to have been (and continues to be) coordinated globally by the transnational ruling class which is collectively in control of nearly every government, every international organization, all major banks and corporations including the media, and all nominally public/non profit institutions on Earth, and are more or less conspiring to depopulate the planet and enslave the few remaining (a more easily manageable number) survivors of the cull, which is being/will be (if we don’t stop them) accomplished via injections, engineered food and energy shortages, among other insidious methods.)
All of the above, which includes your brilliant work of accumulation the historical data and creating those crystal clear graphs, as well as the lack of any convincing response/adequate refutation by anyone anywhere to the criticisms of the modern methods of virology and alleged evidence of any virus via the (in my eyes) fraudulent methods of “isolation”, sequencing, and testing, leads me to me to believe that the scales are tipped heavily in the favor of terrain theory.
For many trained (indoctrinated) in the modern medical model, it’s methods and ideologies, such as the author of this blog, questioning the foundational paradigms of everything they were taught and from which they viewed and treated their patients and their health problems throughout their entire careers was/is flatly false is perhaps to painful and admission for many reasons.
The basic issue is that it's impossible to establish anything with 100% certainty, but it has been shown to 99.9% so the question becomes whether the 99.9% is an extraordinary claim or the 0.01% is an extraordinary claim to prove.
I guess that you did not study or work in statistics either? What is said phenomenon that is 99.9% certain?
impossible to establish ANYTHING with 100% certainty? Hmm, let me try. If you have two dice, each numbered 1-6 (one number on each side). If you roll them, the resultant sum will be an integer, from 2-12. EVERY TIME!!!
Let me offer another one. If you jump into an active volcano, you will die ... EVERY TIME.
Inject a baby (or an adult) with 10,000 vaccines, at one time (like Paul Offit said can be done without harm to the child, see Pediatrics 2002; 109: 124-129), the baby (or MD) will DIE. (I am guessing that Offit would say that such an outcome would be extraordinary).
I'll have to look that Paul Offit comment up. I didn't realize he put it in writing in the journal Pediatrics! Thanks!
What we can be certain about is vaccines have claimed they solved the "infectious disease" problem and that they are virtually magic no matter what is in them. Their push to brainwash the entire planet that vaccines are "safe and effective" no matter what is in them is simply a stunning marketing success putting Coke branding to shame. And the real stunner is they were never really needed with mortality rates dropping by 90-100% for all "infectious diseases" before vaccines or even antibiotics were available. But through decades of brilliant marketing they have tricked most.
I just found your video today. Thank you! I very much appreciate the articles and references provided in it and pulling those. I've shared the video with several friends. I am pulling them for when I talk with my primary doctor, and others. Excellent video.
The most important debate of all humanity is happening right here on substack! Dr Jones is based. I've been inspired to write about him after reading his informative comments. Keep up the good work brother! The world is awakening.
"Addressing Parents’ Concerns: Do Multiple Vaccines Overwhelm or Weaken the Infant’s Immune System?" Pediatrics, January 1, 2002, p. 126.
"...each infant would have the theoretical capacity to respond to about 10 000 vaccines at any one time... Of course, most vaccines contain far fewer than 100 antigens... so the estimated number of vaccines to which a child could respond is conservative."
I was not simplifying the "virus or not" debate (sic). I was addressing the comments of our host, who, for some reason announced that there are NO certainties - ever. I offered a short list of counterfactuals as to falsify his claims.
That aside, the "virus" debate is NOT complex. The commonplace and medical definitions of the term "virus" have changed. In the 1800s, virus was pus. Everyone saw it. After Europeans discovered bacteria, when they saw illness, and could not find "bacteria", they declared that ever smaller things (so-called microbes) caused disease (i.e., virus).
Thus with a stroke of a pen, the term "virus" (the Anglicized term for the Latin variola) was changed from meaning the "effect of disease", to mean "illness-causing agent". Despite the work of Flexner, he and his partners never proved that "polio virus" entered the body, via mouth or nose, and caused paralysis. (And they admitted such, see Flexner 1912, Journal of the American Medical Association October 12 - but for years they could paralyze and kill monkeys by injecting matter directly into the skulls of monkeys). And monsters like Fauci want us to "trust the science"!?
Enders never proved that exogenous viruses existed or caused measles illness (see his paper, co-authored with Peebles, from 1954). Montagnier admitted that he never even saw an HIV. (In the interview with Brent Leung, his quote is: "We never purified").
I could go on ... let me know, what you want to know.
It was not a slight, just an observation. I was suggesting that such a complex conversation could not be extrapolated into some combination of dice rolls. The reasons for which you’ve decided a couple, and I’m well aware of them. This does not disprove the existence of viruses, it’s just not that simple. You can take that however you want, thank you for your reply.
Lets skip the technical virus isolation debate as there is an other way to get to the truth.
100% of the attempts to let people infect each other with any so called contagious disease failed. There is no proof for any disease to be transmissible or contagion.
Still believe someone can give you the flu?
Experiments Upon Volunteers to Determine the Cause and Mode of Spread of Influenza, Boston, November and December, 1918 - M. J. Rosenau
Again you’re addressing a complex question with simplistic answers.
This would be the “dunning Kruger” part of the article. I’m not saying that to offend anyone I’m just saying it because it’s true. I also don’t blame you, people want easy answers to complicated situations. But understand you’re arguing the flipside of the coin only. If you truly believe that viruses don’t exist that is your singular focus, and to you it’s the lunch pin that makes the argument so desirable, hence you throw out everything else that is said in this fantastic article.
Here’s the problem I find with the “there is no virus“ crowd, and it’s very similar to the flat earth people, although the flat earthers tend to attract a more silly conspiratorial crowd, granted,
Your turn to throw out the baby with the bathwater. Malone, McCullough, anyone who is simply trying to reach a broader audience immediately becomes “controlled opposition”, and people think there’s some grander conspiracy. I mean honestly, you really have to talk to you? We’re talking about decades and decades of science in vaccinology, and you’re suggesting that they’re all just too dumb to know that there’s no such thing? I will freely admit that if you walk into a situation with bad questions and preconceived assumptions, you’re going to walk out with something that was tainted at the start, but surely there must be SOME honest researchers?
If some things are suspect, this view tends to argue everything is suspect. How do you trust anyone or anything, when you believe that everything is so corrupt that everyone must be a giant liar if they don’t simply accept your premise? Conversation is out the window. Try rereading the article, this time with an open mind.
No, I made it really simple; no contagion/infection/transmission -> no 'virus'
"We’re talking about decades and decades of science in vaccinology, and you’re suggesting that they’re all just too dumb to know that there’s no such thing?"
Centuries even and I'm not only suggesting it, I know it to be 100% true. That is the result of analyzing the facts; contagion never happened in any experiment for any 'contagious' disease. Can you draw any other conclusion then there can't be any virusparticle transmitting disease?
It IS that simple.
The honest current researchers are: Stefan Lanka, Tom Cowan, Amandha Vollmer, Andrew Kaufman, Sam+Mark Bailey, Jeff Green, Dr Robert Young, Mike Yeadon (has recently seen the light) and many more.
You have made it simple. You say "There is no proof for any disease to be transmissible or contagion", you imply every anecdote is caused by something else, every laboratory result is falsified or mistaken.
You fail to realise that people who ACTUALLY work with viruses and other infectious agents learn how they behave. They form hypothesis and then study further. Sometimes they try to prove their hypothesis, sometimes they try to disprove it. Most of their tests require viruses to behave like viruses as a baseline. So when you are studying how something infects you use the known method of infection (that you deny exists) as a baseline. When you want to study the results of an infection you infect (that you say is impossible) your test subjects to study the characteristics of the infection. Real salaried workers (and some unpaid amateurs) will infect animals and plants, knowing that it works like the virus hypothesis.
At any rate I urge you to do a search on PubMed with the search term "caged airborne infection" there is a link below. You can limit the date range to 2018 so the covid papers don't confuse you. If you just look at the titles of the papers you will see that MANAGED INFECTION IS ROUTINE. It is not a hypothesis, it is a practical process and tool of the trade. Sure I believe bad actors who have selected the few rare papers where infection was not observed, but I only need one repeatable experiment to show that it does work. Well the repeatability is SO COMMON that people use it for regular research.
The "no virus" team is insisting nail-guns do not exist because hammers exist. It is absurd, because we know there is more than one way to cause disease, sometimes it is a virus even if YOU don't fully understand how that works.
Once you have seen that your statement is no longer 100% true you should apologise and educate your peers at full speed because you have been one of the useful idiots that the pharmaceutical industry has been using to divide the health freedom movement.
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“Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right. Here I am stuck in the middle with you”
I find this whole no virus argument exhausting! “There are no viruses” my 61 yo friend on the right said. Me : “Then why did our moms send us to chicken pox parties n we got chicken pox immediately after” friend : “well it’s just a regular cold” me “isn’t a cold a virus?” Same friend who almost lost her 72yo husband because it was just a cold and didn’t treat aggressively. She was lucky I was prepared. I had friends on the frontline in ICUS talking about patients who were talking/alert with O2 sats in 60s in March 2020 so I knew this wasn’t just a cold or flu. Doctors who came out of retirement to assist said they had never seen patient symptoms like this before. just know to take it seriously n not trust pharma or government. Then I have “left” friends who still worship Fauci n the vax even though they have had Covid now for the second time. I help them out too when needed. This has been the most genius psychological operation I have ever seen! I don’t trust anyone on social media, no one. I believe at this moment (and I’m open to changing my mind) the “virus” and V is more of an incapacitating BW like Lyme. You will be too tired n sick or too tired n sick taking care of your sick family that you won’t be able to push back on anything. Unless ur too weak or get a hot lot n taken out quickly not to mention the slow kill mechanism of all this. Amyloids, cancer, prions incoming. Arguing about if viruses are real is a waste of time. Grifters going to grift tho. I bet it pays well. PS the terrain is important too! They knew in April 2020 low vitamin D n overweight/ metabolic syndrome increased ur risk. Why no messaging about vitamin D.
Your welcome. I graduated nursing school in 1983 when we were told not to wear gloves so we wouldn’t “offend” our patients working in NYC. I’m sure that was an experiment to see how transmissible their pet project was. We are just disposable lab rats. It’s amazing it’s all the same players too. Everyone should watch “Dallas Buyers club” wash, rinse, repeat.
One of the big themes I am trying to show through this SS is that things in history always repeat over and over and there were tons of previous case examples of what happened with COVID-19 being done :(
if "things" in history repeat...and humans and "viruses" have been around for hundreds of thousands of years...how has humanity survived all the "viruses" and their subsequent "variants"????...take your time
If you read the literature from the 1700s and 1800s, doctors regularly interchanged terms like smallpox, chickenpox, kinepox, and swinepox. Most of the authors (in English), claimed that it was a disease, limited to young children, and usually uncomplicated. Unsurprisingly, those who suffered the worst from smallpox and vaccination in the 19th century were the poor.
Like measles, chickenpox is a detoxification process. Children who have diets high in D3, K, A, and C vitamins either have no chickenpox, or few blisters.
But what about acne? Is that a contagious disease too? I see a lot of teenagers who interact and they ALL get it, to some degree. True there is no fever, but I wonder what is better for the body, an acute detox, or a slow septicemia.
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Sorry about what? Chicken pox? Our thinking is probably closer then you think when it comes to terrain theory. ie I didn’t get “the blob” after 2 years of traveling, in hospitals, nursing homes, planes etc it took staying in a moldy house (my personal not universal kryptonite) family stress n crappy diet to get sick. My immune system was down. But I took it very seriously n treated it aggressively before I got it and when I did. Why? Because I was listening to life long friends who were on the front lines n didn’t have an agenda or trying to sell me anything. As far as acne isn’t that bacterial? Not airborne? And here again we agree terrain matters. Gut, detox pathways, hormone imbalance. Is there anything I said u can agree with? Or u don’t like one thing I say so nothing of my personal experience has merit? I learn something new everyday and willing to change my mind with that new information. I wish I knew what I know now when I was younger
Well stated. Please forgive my coarseness. I appreciate the details you added. Like you, I hope to learn something new every day. I hope to have grown from your frankness, experience, and wisdom.
Almost everyone gets childhood diseases--if not as a child, then as an adult, where they are typically more severe. Vaccination for childhood diseases is questionable, but pox parties are brilliant.
I must disagree. In re "childhood diseases", do you refer to something other than chickenpox? Arguably, because it is a mere detoxification process, and a function of diet, so-called severity is a function of overall health. I had four (4) pox, at age 27, during the winter, and though I was a vegetarian, I had not developed my regimen of supplement. I had a mild fever, for less than 24 hours, and was well within a day or two.
Other "childhood" diseases, e.g., diphtheria, whooping cough, and infantile paralysis (mislabeled "polio") were all functions of "smallpox vaccination" (the latter diagnosis exacerbated by lead arsenate, DDT, and other heavy metals).
Scarlet fever used to be a childhood disease ... what happened to that?
I’m there with you too Mary! Also a nurse, of 20 years now - I lost my hospital job because I wouldn’t agree to the jab.
It’s been an interesting ride with covid. Very polarizing. Like a lot of healthcare providers, I started out extremely terrified of the virus. I was sure that I’d bring it home to my elderly parents and kill then. Meanwhile others in my family, were getting onboard with the “there’s no such thing as viruses” and the “covid is all fake” ideas and we were at serious odds. They laughed at me for taking it seriously and I was appalled that they didn’t. We could barely speak to each other! I can happily report that in my family at least, we’ve all come to a better place of agreement and that more or less we’re all on the same page now. It was a process of mutual change. Personally, I became deeply suspicious of the government and media agenda as it became clear before the end of 2020 that there were already vaccines waiting to go (of completely untested materials no less) and everything was focused on rolling them out to everyone regardless! And then as I watched with horror the side effects and deaths and breakthrough cases happening. That was a big whoa buddy time for me. So I definitely shifted more towards my family but they also became a little lot more reasonable that there was probably “something” actually contagious happening, spread from person to person and something potentially dangerous. Having everyone get sick with it between delta and omicron helped solidify this. So I’d say, at least in this small microcosm, we all came to a place of common ground. However, I do believe that the essential element needed to reach that place of common ground, is a willingness to accept when one might be wrong and adjust one’s position. What I see on both sides (the virus deniers and the mainstream narrative champs) is that many are entrenched and refuse to change. I think that the only way to approach this is with compassion. It is fear that drives people into entrenchment. That said, I generally don’t argue with any of them, on either side. It’s just not worth it.
In 1919 the Army did an extensive experiment injecting healthy volunteers with supposed infected material from Spanish flu victims. Not one of them got sick. Why is it that you ASSUME that it's a virus making people sick? Did you ever hear of pre-existing conditions? Iatrogenic illness? Oh no, but it has to be Covid, Covid, Covid. By the way, how much do the hospitals get for putting death by Covid with ventilator and without on the death certificate? The dark theory of contagion has turned people into monsters today and taken us back to the time of the Salem Witch trials. Watch 1692 Was a Very Good Year on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qx8keLopGIM
I wish u were my neighbor so we could hang out and discuss the situation! Stuck in the middle together. We are a mixed jab family so I spend my time researching how to keep us all healthy.
Grifters STEAL money. People get sick - they need to de-tox and or add nutrients to the terrain. There are no "tricks" to health, which I trust you recognize. The grift is "viral" theory. That generates billions of dollars of wealth for those who sell poisons (called vaccines and Rx drugs).
Such a belief allowed shut downs of business and commerce, and governments handed over money to rollout the real bio-weapons, mRNA injections.
I am someone who is kind of on the fence on this issue. I tend to lean toward terrain theory overall. I truly wish to see debates on these issues. We are arguing within the framework of a system of healthcare for profit. Within that system, it is not in the best interests of the system for the people to be healthy. Terrain theory gives the individual back their Power over their healthcare. In all honesty, I really like the concept that I have control over my health and that I do not need to go within a system that is going to rake me over the coals financially in order to help me.
Why is it so necessary that we look at things as black and white. This issue has so many gray areas it is truly worth exploring. We need debates. Debates are very good things. As soon as I see someone not willing to debate I’m thinking they are not comfortable in their truth. Please please please can we not put aside our differences and have some really interesting discussions. Interesting discussions are awesome. And we all so need more awesome in our lives.
WTF. So AZT and other types of chemo are good? Smoking formaldehyde-laced tobacco in moderation - all good. Pass the aspartame, what could it hurt? Has anyone seen my Roundup? I need to spray it on my salad.
If there is NO sodium fluoride in this water, I REFUSE to drink it.
I do NOT want any butter or cream from grass fed cows. That seems so extreme. Gimme that Country Crock spread, and Cool Whip is King!
I was being funny. You said "terrain theory gives you a lot of control over your health as long as you do not follow an extremist version of [terrain theory]".
What the heck does that mean? Are you saying that extremist versions of terrain theory (what ever that could be), remove or diminish one's control over their health?
I find solace in the words of Barry Goldwater, "Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue."
Similarly we can practice healthy living - and avoid the poisons I listed ... that is no vice. And by extension, deciding to poison your terrain, in moderation, is no virtue.
But you seem to argue against real food, clean water, and avoiding injections with polysorbate 80, aluminum, MSG, mercury, formaldehyde, monkey, cow, and human proteins.
I mean, jeez. You are giving us the "straight lines." To which I offer the "punch lines." It is not as if I take your words out of context. How about you provide some examples of "terrain theory" extremism - and show how such could prevent health. Then contrast that with "terrain theory moderation".
An extremist version? Who's to decide? (You?) Just argue the points and don't worry too much about characterizing. Who's to say what is extreme? It's pretty extreme to be forcing needles into people's bodies and everyone still being totally flummoxed as to what's going on.
My daughter has never been injected with a "vaccine." She has never suffered from smallpox, monkeypox, polio, Japanese encephalitis, Hepatitis B, C, or E, measles (which ever strain of the 32 types you might declare exist), pertussis, para-pertussis, typhoid, typhus, strep throat, Coxsackie virus, Marburg virus, Ebola, Yellow fever, malaria, leprosy, mumps, AIDS, diphtheria, rotavirus, cholera, ...
I guess she is just lucky. Those unicorns and their fairy dust are lurking around every corner, dirty bathroom, and Port-a-Potty. And all those people wearing those bacterial, fungal, and virus-laden paper masks. (Throw out your dead, throw out your dead).
I don't support the childhood vaccine schedule either. One of the many reasons is because most of the things on it are things you will never run into or are relatively benign.
Have you seen the work, research, and talks by Toni Bark, MD? (I believe that she died in 2020). She discovered the scam and harm of vaccines in medical school. She opened my eyes to the false claims of "immunity." For instance, she noted that many vaccines are supposed to prevent "bacterial" illness - yet a person can have such "infections" more than once. Of course, the same is true with "viral" illnesses like "smallpox" and chickenpox. The former was noted by Jenner (see Baron 1838).
In 2021, in Changzhou, China (a metro area of about 10 million), a pregnant woman, in labor, arrived at the hospital. Her "48 hour" PCR had lapsed. So the staff REFUSED to allow her inside.
It all turned out well. The staff, who feared her "diseased state" and germs, lived; the baby died! All praises to Pasteur and his devotees.
Good thing that those doctors and nurses were not so foolish as to believe in "terrain theory extremism." They could have been killed, by the non-existent exogenous pathogen ...
strawman...you still havent explained how humanity has survived thousands of years...what with all those "contagious viruses" floating around...or did they just appear recently? if so how and when....take your time doc
Right you are. Sorry, I’m a dog groomer trying to be an artist who was a closet Luddite for a lot of years and I’m not exactly tech savvy. I am guilty of assuming. Call shenanigans on me every chance you get.
Kaufman et al are right in that viruses as presented by the NIH under Bill Gates, Tony Fauci's controlled are fraudulent. That doesn't mean they exist, but it means they are presenting falsehoods, and they are doing it deliberately.
COVID, aka the symptoms are broad and non-specific. They are not just respiratory distress, they are cardiovacular and neurological, which seem to be induced by autoimmune reactions.
There seems to be several possibilities for the illness during 2019-2020.
Graphene oxides.
Graphene electromagnetic properties were discovered, I think around 2005. A lot of money went into funding research into it's use for the medical industry. I think a lot of this research was for good intentions, trying to take medicine to the next level. But I think the technology has been highjacked for the globalist agenda of a transhuman future called human 2.0.
Spanish Researcher from La Quinta Columna have been donated a number of COVID vaccines vials, Influenza vaccine vials, saline solutions, anesthesia, and meat to examine. This began with the COVID vaccine vials, they wanted to know what was in them. They found they were mostly comprised of graphene oxides. After this discovery they were given these other items and found graphene oxides in them. They have reported graphene oxides are spread through chemtrails and are found in some water supplies.
They say they have found research indicating Graphene oxides cause respiratory distress and blood clotting. They conducted tests under electron microscopy showing in real time, self assembling nanoparticles. They placed a 4g phone next to the slide, and called it. You can see in the video that when the phone call is answered, the nanoparticles assembly speeds up. they measured the increased rate at 5x.
Retrovirus activation.
Retroviruses are part of the genome of life. Humans are born with them. One of them is called HERV-W, for human endogenous retrovirus. This particular retrovirus is responsible for forming a placenta after conception. Without it, there would be no births.
Humans aren't the only species who share this retrovirus. Animals have it. Monkeys, Mice, dogs, bats, you name it. This retrovirus was noted by James Lyons-Weiller in his paper
Pathogenic priming likely contributes to serious and critical COVID-19.
The protein produced by HERV-W is syncytin. Many humans have been walking around with animal versions of RNA that produce this protein who are unaware of it because their immune system has prevented it from expressing.
Dr. Judy A. Mikovits has done extensive research into this. She had a group who were studying a retrovirus called Xenotropic Murine Leukemia Virus, Related Viruses(XMRV's) and their association with ME/CFS patients. She had number of symptomatic ME/CFS patient cohorts who frequently donated saliva and blood samples, and found this retrovirus was very hard to detect. One day she tested a patient and found the blood was full of it. She found out that patient had recently received an immunization. It was this discovery that led to a practice of giving HIV/AIDS patients a viralblocker before they received immunizations, because she witnessed virus activation.
So it was concluded that strong pathogenic attacks on the B cells could activate these viruses.
Further testing revealed about 6% of the U.S. population had these viruses, but weren't sick and didn't notice them.
She decided to test the blood supply. I think this was around 2011. She found 20% of the blood supply was contaminated with HIV and XMRV's. She found a company called Cerus or Ceres, I don't remember exactly, to clean it using ultraviolet light. Fauci wouldn't let them do it until around 2014. I do know this company is still doing the work today.
So severe COVID-19 may have been from virus activation. Strong pathogenic attacks, such as influenza vaccines are a known trigger for virus activation. Mikovits discovered other forms of activation were possible from unbalanced hormones. I believe it was Bob Silverman who first discovered XMRV's among prostate cancer victims. It was from this discovery that Mikovits learned how unbalanced hormones led to virus activation. Men who produced above average, excess testosterone, and who were found seropositive for XMRV's had the most aggressive prostate cancers.
Stress produces cortisol. Excess cortisol is known to have deleterious effects on immunity. When cortisol levels are high, other hormone expression declines. One such hormone is vitamin D, responsible for many things including T cell mobilization, according to Carl Geisler. Another suppressed hormone critical in the COVID pathology is insulin. These suppressed hormones allow the retrovirus to begin expressing. When they express, they begin producing a foreign version of syncytin which triggers autoimmune attacks against self, typically targeting genetic defects or other weaknesses. Thus a wide array of targets may be affected creating a vast array of injuries from blood clotting, to platelette loss, strokes, heart attacks, respiratory distress or numerous neurological problems.
Genetic defects affecting the ability to degrade RNA viruses may cause early onset of symptoms following infections with the foreign RNA.
So this begs the question, what was the source of the animal RNA? How did it get inside humans? Mikovits was holding conference sharing her findings on XMRV's when a scientist in the room blurted the answer. OMG, this came from the vaccines! The scientist was referring to the process of attenuating live viruses in cell lines.
To learn more about Mikovits findings check out her books Plague, 2014, by Judy A. Mikovits, Ph.D, and Kent Heckenlively; Plague of Corruption 2019, same authors; and Ending Plague by Frank Ruscetti, Ph.D., Dr. Judy A. Mikovits, Ph.D., and Kent Heckenlively.
The problem is that all of those are speculative ideas rather than one definitive one which is demonstrated as clear proof that explains what is causing COVID-19. I could do the same to challenge almost any widely held belief so you need to present a stronger case to reject an existing hypothesis or you are going into Flying Spaghetti Monster territory.
I understand that covid has not been isolated therefore it doesn't exist. The medical establishment has not proven it at all. It won't even address the question, it just ridicules. Actually everyone should have asked for proof that covid exists before accepting that it does. Until they can show hard proof then everything the media and the medical establishment has said could be a load of bunk and you've been snookered. You probably believe that you couldn't be snookered.
What is the criteria you propose for the virus to be "isolated?"
This was one of the things I described needed to be done in the post, because otherwise anything that is done just gets labeled as not counting as being isolated.
please explain how the frontline workers...who were working right next to hundreds of "infected covid patients" didnt die from the "infectious" disease...take your time
this happened to? what happened to? did they die? I'm sure the "dead ones" wouldn't mind if you actually named them and provided an autopsy report and toxicology report...or just an obituary...
Dude, what is up with the false equivalencies? FSM is a spoof on Christianity and a society that has laws to "protect" religious beliefs and expression. Montagnier admitted that he never purified HIV. He believed that a "virus" existed, but admitted that diet was the key to health. Enders (1955) said that he could not distinguish decaying monkey kidney cells from "real measles virus" ... Can we focus on the theory of viruses? Racaniello says that we come in contact with about 4,000,000,000 viruses a day. So even if such were true, under his theory, the probability of getting sick from a virus should be ZERO! That is just one instance of the inanity of the theory of exogenous viral contagion.
Ah, no. In regards to Racaniello, my point is that the theory of "exogenous viral contagion" is so bereft as to propose that the probability of getting ill from one of those "billions of floating particles" is effectively zero. So for virologists (priests of a branch of unfalsifiable scientism), they can say that "your immune system protects you from these alien invaders"; while still telling the masses to worry about invisible creatures ... and "get those vaccines!"
If you like, I can encourage you to send me money, as such will empower me to protect you from the fairy dust covered unicorn demons.
Prof. Racaniello (at Columbia) starts with a belief in contagious exogenous viruses, and then invents stories to fit with that belief. This is ANTI-science. He starts with a conclusion, and supplements words for evidence as to affirm his religion.
As for Enders, have you not read his paper from 1955? And as for Montagnier, as demonstrated by the Perth group back in the 1990s, no one has ever found HIV.
I am not declaring that "viruses" are prevalent in the environment. That is the claim of Prof. Vincent Racaniello.
I do not make any effort to mislead. Have you not seen the 2011 interview between Montagnier and Brent Leung (House of Numbers)? There, Montagnier admits that he never "purified" the virus. Montagnier also says that someone can be "exposed to the virus, many many times" - all they need is a good diet. David Crowe also does a nice job of deconstructing the flaws in "HIV" virology and the evolution in thinking of Montagnier (on the benefits of diet).
I have a whole library of text, audio, and video - on disease, vaccines, vaccinology, and viral theory. I am more than delighted to share. biko97jcj (at) hot mail (dot) com
does the FACT that humans and "viruses" have been around for thousands of years...yet humanity didnt die off from "viruses" prove they dont exist???? take your time doc
I think that we know that the "Germ Theory" dogmatists have an answer to this one. They say: human immune systems adapt, and via evolution, both in humans and viruses, so we have changed over time, and have "learned" to live in symbiosis.
Then they argue that "deaths" (from / with flu, pneumonia, typhus/typhoid, smallpox, measles, etc.,) are proof that sometime the viruses win, as they overwhelm the host.
Because they declare that viruses exist, and the viruses adapt (even though viruses are not living, have no central nervous system, no nucleus, etc.), and that the human immune system can - sometimes - resist or neutralize the invaders, the "Germ theory" people always have proof ... all around them.
I even met one biologist who declared that viruses only cause illness with the host has a weakened immune system due to lack of water, vitamins and minerals, stress, etc.
So, I think that a better question, is to ask them to show us "isolation" (purification) and that said virus causes illness via some type of test, like Koch's postulates, or the Bradford Hill criteria, or even a simple t-test.
I am not a doctor but I do have common sense...if a new "virus" infected humans a thousand years ago or whatever time frame you wish to use...how did the human body have time to develop an "immune response" to the new "virus" before it "killed them"... I'm all ears
if a "new virus" popped up...out of thin air...and humans "contracted" it how would their body have the time to "create an immune response" before the virus killed them? there were times when "a lot" of humans died and viruses were a force of "natural selection"... so "viruses" now pick and choose who they kill? that statement is totally unprovable and thats why you didnt provide any "evidence" to support the claim...but try again
This is a big can of worms. Which is why I personally haven't trod too far down this road.
Truth be told, I feel guilty for not researching the virus denial movement further especially in detail. Because sometimes the devil really is in the detail. Maybe it is. Maybe it's not. I actually do not know.
I agree heavily with your assertions that this could spawn a huge division between parties and ultimately put the anti mandate movement down as a result. Sun Tzu made several comments in the art of war about the use of infiltration and then destabilization of a cause or political movement. And despite years of being told biggotry and stereotyping is bad. It is still very common for people to lump groups into a stereotype and hate them all equally. For no reason other than their own generalized assumptions.
I have also seen a similar movement to the viral denial movement before in a very different field of electrical engineering and magnetism which is electron denial.
Again I don't know either way, but I have seen some cool theoretical models based off this idea/theory and how it could revolutionize technology like wireless electrical technology and even potentially unlocking perpetual energy systems (which is super cool) yet this technology has not eventuated nor am I an electrical engineer or physicist so I suppose I am just waiting to see if anything unfolds. It hasn't yet it seems.
Terrain theory is IMHO valuable to understand. Two models of disease management seem to exist in use today.
One is primarily about disease suppression. (Allopathic medicine)
The other is based mostly on health promotion (Naturopathic/Terrain)
And both IMHO are equally important. And both should be used concurrently for best effect (my opinion)
But do viruses exist? I think so. Based on the observations of germ spread.
I worked for a while in an isolated rural army camp that housed many recruits and trainees. They came in hundreds at a time. There we had a few outbreaks over the years requiring short term quarantine of soldiers. Of which was a scabies outbreak. Another was norovirus and the other Swine flu.
All of these outbreaks were essentially treated the same way. Infected soldiers were isolated in their own barracks separate to the rest of the camp where meals were delivered by medics three times a day and treatments given at roughly the same time (obviously different treatments for each outbreak) Where they had come from before hand was thoroughly decontaminated and cleaned. And usually after a few days or a week the problem passed nor spread further.
This seems to indicate germ theory and disease transmission and quarantine as a method of preventing it.
Of course they exist. Exactly what they are is the question. The act like charged neutrinos. (Half-twists in space, and what is "charge"?) Both are point particles. So how do electrons, muons, and tauons have vastly different masses? Did virus poison infect them? :)
As for your direct question, I learned at the University of Illinois, "electron" is just a newfangled name for phlogiston. (φλεγείν phlegein - that which burns) "Electron" derives from an old Greek word for amber, ήλεκτρο. We may as well debate the distinction of fire and lightning.
No, Tesla worked with Jetson babies. Go read a bunch of treatises on electrons, electrical theory, etc., then get back to us. Are you here as a spam baiter?
There are so many experts that I would follow that were against say: lockdowns, only to find out that they were all-in on vaccinating 'the vulnerable'. Humm. So ignore that the trials were a disaster, ignore the questions on blood-clots and advocate for injecting some group of people that they won't define. (I'm looking at the GBD folks btw).
In Feb of 2020! South Korean doctors gave guidance on early treatment. Of course later the entire country succumbed to the constant propaganda. That small ray of hope still sticks with me. What an incredible psyop we're living in.
One thing I've noticed is that the really knowledgeable people are hesitant to make recommendations because they have an inkling of *what they don't know*. This is why we fell victim to the 6'-safe and wear underwear on your face nonsense. Nobody was willing to lay on the tracks and call BS because *maybe* it could work for *somebody*.
Viruses are complicated, and our immune systems are more complicated still. It NEVER surprises me when we have big breakthroughs in understanding, especially in areas where the 'experts' are sure of how it works.
We were DAMNED, and still are, once the 'emergency' was declared and bureaucrats were put in charge of health policy in 'fighting' a virus.
Anyone know when the emergency ends? It never ends.
This is a very good point and reflective of the problems with a society that thrives on simplistic truths rather than nuanced ideas:
One thing I've noticed is that the really knowledgeable people are hesitant to make recommendations because they have an inkling of *what they don't know*. This is why we fell victim to the 6'-safe and wear underwear on your face nonsense. Nobody was willing to lay on the tracks and call BS because *maybe* it could work for *somebody*.
But is war what we're after? I don't see the relevance to recommending a book on war. I'm hoping we'll be different now, that we will only use reason. And we can only use reason when we have all the information. So anyone who censors isn't secure in their argument. Free speech is the only safeguard of free individuals.
The supreme art of war is to subdue your enemy without fighting - Sun Tzu
It's not a book just on war. Although the title suggests that. It is more a book on ... exactly what you are talking about. How to win without killing and ultimately doing the most good with the least effort or harms.
Emergency POWERS (and profits) keep the emergency going ad infinitum. Just look, we're about to get a brand new emergency, OSHA will be shutting down facilities to "keep workers safe" again, now from "global warming," the other terrain theory.
After sleeping on this I feel I want to clarify my position better.
I am intrigued by the no virus argument if it can ultimately build a better model for the future to work with. But at this stage I cannot ignore what I have seen with my own eyes which presents to me as proof or strong evidence of germ theory, although perhaps within the details there are other explainable phenomena taking place I am simply naive to.
Ultimately however I am a small business health and safety manager with a frustrating medical condition CFS/M.E and have a background in managing CBRN response. The sum of those experiences show me this...
1) The controls used to mitigate covid are more hazardous than covid is itself.
2) We collectively do not know what causes CFS/M.E nor Long-covid or otherwise have a poor understanding of what these jabs can be doing in regards to genotoxicity and chronic inflammatory conditions.
3) It is inexcusable to have or take such enormous risks on such a large population with these measures without adequate testing. And stating safe and effective when this is purely speculation and essentially false advertising.
4) They must stop the vaccine rollouts and any future lockdowns and make realistic plans to reduce the impact of any chronic or delayed effects from these jabs if they do materialize. Because to not do so could be enormously hazardous for everyone.
5) This is not rocket science and because the obvious is not occuring there appears to be a political or secret agenda behind it.
6) Stopping that secret agenda is paramount whatever it is or may be. Because it certainly does not appear safe or better for the majority of the population.
We are at an extremely dangerous juncture. What we don't know really could harm us. That's why all ideas need to be able to be aired without pressure. If they don't make sense, then we must object using reason and not coercion, and learn to debate splendidly. We all need the practice. We have lost the art of debate. Debate is extremely interesting and entertaining when it's done using reason and not manipulation. Manipulation needs to be called out or anything that doesn't gel.
Free speech is not dangerous. In fact the opposite is true. Censorship is dangerous. So what if we all have different opinions? We only can get to the truth by expressing them. We'll they're both not used by $cience in fact $cience doesn't even mention Bechamp in medical schools. It's like not mentioning Tesla - what was up with that? Even though he worked with Edison and we do hear a lot about Edison. Think it's an accident?
I enjoy your comment. I’m a bit frazzled with my young kids right now and don’t have thr bandwidth to look into terrain theory. I generally follow Weston A Price Foudnation principles and they are proponents of terrain theory. But I just can’t do it right now. Now sure how it would affect how I live my life anyways.
"Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win".
Victorious warriors prove that a novel coronavirus never existed and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war with the WHO and governments trying to convince them that their public health emergency measures are not justified and then seek to win.
But don't fall for the bogus burden of proof. Nobody needs to prove that a novel coronavirus never existed. Can one prove that green elephants never existed? No. The burden of proof is on people claiming the existence of something, not on the people saying, "I don't believe it. Show me the evidence."
Thus, the virus promoters need to show, with some high probability, that a novel coronavirus (1) exists, (2) causes disease, and (3) is contagious. But they start by assuming (2) and then "deducing" (3) and (1) -- mostly thanks to a fake PCR test.
No we have been pretty clear about what constitutes "proof".
Follow the scientific method.
Have a proper control.
*Lanka already did a control experiment - that is never done in virology - and was able to demonstrate cytopathic effect AND sequenced (aka metagenomic sequencing, aka assembled <-- which is exactly what every "isolation" paper did) a SARS-COV2 genome. The kicker? He didn't add any virus to the cell culture. Virology claims that CPE = virus. How in the world could Lanka's experiment result in a SARS-COV2 genome, if he had no SARS-COV2? All he did was add yeast.... Lanka's control experiment PROVES that what we call "viruses" are a result of the manipulated conditions, of which do not come close to replicating what would actually occur in nature. I dont roll around in fetal bovine serum, monkey kidney cells, cancerous tissue, then drown myself in antibiotics, then starve myself of vital nutrients. But this is what a cell culture is and this is the ONLY way virologists are able to produce CPE. Surely my lungs, on their own, represent a "culture". Surely if a virus exists, we should be able to find it without all this ridiculous manipulation of the environment. Yet for some reason, we can't. For some reason, NEVER is a control experiment performed. Why is that? Enders was the first and only virologist to perform a control prior to Lanka. His conclusion stated that he could not differentiate between the control and the supposed virus infected culture. Oops! Can't have that! So, controls were NEVER performed again. Yikes. Big red flag there.
I present to you the well established criteria:
Kochs or Rivers postulates - the "gold standard" for "proving" pathogenic bacteria & viruses.
1) ISOLATE & PURIFY the virus. With no other biological material added.
2)Show that the ISOLATED & PURIFIED particle cause disease.
3)Demonstrate that the particle is CONTAGIOUS in another host organism.
4) Re-isolate, purify and sequence (SANGER sequencing, not metagenomic in silico assembly) the same particle you started with.
Simple.
We have been able to isolate & properly sequence other particles of the same size or smaller than so-called viruses. Therefore, it shouldn't be difficult.
Reading through your replies above makes it pretty obvious that you haven't even bothered to truly look into "our side". Or the history of virology. Id be happy to provide some resources for you but I dont think you would actually look at them seriously & critically.
the mere fact that you come up with those claims, means that no matter what evidence would be brought forward it would not be enough.
for if there could be evidence that could be enough, you would have long since come to the conclusion that the virus does exist.
for some two and a half years now there has been published a preponderance of evidence that you either have not taken notice of, or have rejected outright.
and this leads to the conclusion that you act in bad faith.
you are in fact the perfect example of what the article is about.
Well if there is a preponderance of evidence the virus exists, cite it. All I've seen is media hype and propaganda and doctors pushing quack scenes and everywhere we look, pushing vaccines and billionaires making ever more billions.
That is a great example. This is an example of it being done with 3rd generation sequencing where the rna is not fragmented: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34780358/
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You are correct.
The attempts have been spearheaded by a few people only who act non-methodically and in a haphazard manner. Furthemore, their clearly declared conflict of interest may sabotage their otherwise genuine intentions.
Unless the Cowan/Kaufman side engages actively with the other side we will not move forward.
Unless the narrative is challenged using its own methods nothing will change if we just talk to, and convince ourselves.
What we need is this to be taken forward by people with no conflict of interest. No YouTube creators, naturopaths, alternative healers etc etc.
Of course ether exists. (And I don't mean the anesthetic and laboratory solvent and its congeners.) It's the sea of virtual particles in free space, with a virtual density of 5.1550×10^96 kg/m^3.
That is a term that is deliberately charged. It's meant to hold opposers as contemptible. They are not denying viruses they are saying that viruses are not like we've been told and terrain theory is being ignored. See how that word magik goes.
You know what dear friend? You AND Denise are both right. I kind of froze when I saw the term "deniers" being used (because it resembles the word used to describe another emotionally charged group) but then I can also see your predicament. What do we use? What is acceptable?
I know you do not have time for petty arguments like this but should this be taken as an opportunity to formally ask that side (Cowan/Kaufman) as to how they define themselves and invite them into an active discussion?
A lot of people have asked them to and they won't. I wrote this partly because I was getting fed up of both sides flinging insults and challenges at the other rather than doing something productive to move the issue forward.
You pull the usual trick of conflating isolation/purification with replication. If viruses existed, there would be zillions of them in clinical samples taken for patients with "viral" diseases. They could be isolated/purified from the samples. Unless of course they self-destruct upon leaving a cell, lol, which would then raise the question of how they got in there in the first place and how they could then spread to other cells and other hosts. Obviously they couldn't. So if they existed they can be found and isolated/purified, and then sequenced, characterized and studied with fully controlled experiments (aka science). But this has never been done with any virus, as admitted by the CDC. Virologists don't even purify the particles that the claim to be "viruses" from their monkey/cow/human mixtures (cell cultures), and follow through with sequencing, characterization and fully controlled experiments (aka science) using the purified particles to see if they actually fit the definition of a virus (replication-competent obligate intra-cellular parasites that transmit between hosts and cause disease via natural modes of exposure). Because virology is not a science.
Just because something can't be isolated and purified, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. In that way of thinking, that means that in history, many things that at one time couldn't be isolated/seen/etc. under the technology of that time, such as atoms, don't/didn't exist.
Whether something exists doesn't equal current technology limitations. To equate the two is circular thinking.
This whole argument discredits the non-mandate and Covid vac skeptic crowd.
I have never said that because something can't be isolated and purified, it doesn't exist. What I've been saying is that "it" and "viruses" in general (measles, influenza, HPV, etc etc etc) have never been shown to exist and are clearly made up and don't exist. And to prove that a theoretical virus did exist, one would need to purify it. "Virus" is not simply defined as a tiny particle. If it were, sure we could just see it in an EM and say it exists. But virus is defined much more specifically than that and to verify those specifics requires purification.
Not at all. Something obvious can exist without being purified. But when something (viruses) have never been shown to exist in the entire history of pretending to show that they do exist, and when their "genomes" are blatantly made up, and everything about "them" has been fudged, it stretches the imagination of reasonable people a bit too much to say "well maybe despite all that they really do exist". I notice you love to divert away from the existing fake science to discussing people, sentences, etc. I don't have time for any more of this so, byyyyeee.
For the record, we are able to ACTUALLY isolate & purify particles much smaller than viruses - without the need for adding various other sources of biological material, poison, nutrient depleting chemicals, etc.
Why can we not do the same for viruses? Why the need for cell culture aka toxic soup mixture?
Maybe. But it’s a bit rich coming from someone who throws around the term of propaganda “virus denier” and implies that people asking for evidence are somehow “paranoid” or “insane.” It’s just gaslighting. (I did enjoy your series on medical gaslighting.)
No fallacy. You can't sequence and characterize something and study it with fully CONTROLLED experiments without purification. Do you weight yourself with a bunch of friends, pets and plants on the scale with you?
Physicists characterized electrons for decades without purification. They calculated the charge per electron and mass per electron and devised electron orbital theory without purification or isolation. There was lots of indirect evidence.
Let's suppose that I am a parachute skeptic. I don't believe that parachutes work. So, I require a test of parachutes. A RCT. 500 people in the placebo arm and 500 in the parachute arm to be dropped from and airplane flying one mile high. This is my required test. Would you not agree that it is a fallacy? Shouldn't I accept other types of evidence?
Maybe they did, maybe they didn't. Maybe their THEORY is wrong. Maybe their calculations are wrong. I have not reviewed that evidence so cannot comment except to say that I take no claims at face value.
We all know for sure that if someone jumps out of a plane without something to slow down their fall, they're going to be in trouble. And we can observe that a parachute causes their fall to happen much slower (assuming that they only use the parachute, and not a parachute along with umbrellas, tarps and all kinds of other stuff).
I have no idea what your point is. Virologists haven't even shown that the alleged "SARS-COV-2" particle (a specific genome surrounded by a protein shell with specific spike proteins) exists, let alone causes disease and spreads disease to other hosts via natural modes of exposure. You have to have the specific particle before you can do fully controlled experiments. And fully controlled experiments require a purified sample of the particles.
No, and I have already made this 100% clear to him, the reason beingthat I won't debate a rude, dishonest, disrespectful man who has now published THREE false and misleading hit-pieces on me and already run from 2 debate challenges. I've wasted enough time on him already, as documented here: https://www.fluoridefreepeel.ca/open-letter-to-steve-kirsch-january-10-2022/ Some of my colleagues might be willing but I don't speak for them.
Christine please ask one more question to Kirsch...is he referencing his "virus" information from the same "scientists" who conned him into getting the clot shot...twice... he didnt reply when I asked him on his substack post...maybe he just didnt see the question...carry on my friend
Many viruses are polyhedral (esp. bacteriophages). They aren't straight lipids since they contain nucleotides and proteins, but even if they were, why must I melt coconut oil? But hey, freezers and microwaves destroy all the nutritional content of food. :)
No I don't agree on that, because far more than jab injuries is happening under the guise of "virus counter-measures", and has been going on for many, many years. Once it's understood that virology is not a science, it becomes clear that none of the counter-measures are based on science and all of the surveillance and upturning of our world is based on fraud/delusion/misunderstanding, and people have been harmed for nothing for years and years and years. And the true causes of dis-ease are being overlooked and ignored.
I have a brain, I use it. And a masters degree in biostatistics and past career as a statistician, demonstrating I have a track record of logic, analytical thinking. Anyone who applies some common sense can see through virology.
Oh so now anyone involved in statistics is a liar? Does that include everyone relying on the statistics in the zillions of published "scientific" papers in medicine?
I suggest you go read the methods of the "SARS-COV-2 isolation" studies, then you might have something to contribute to this conversation.
If science thinks it can't be overthrown by new ideas then it's not science but dogma. Sounds more like religion. Science should be happy to be thrown overboard. Scientists should be itching to be challenged. But what we have is quite the opposite. They fire anyone who doesn't toe their line. If it can't withstand challenge then it deserves to be thrown overboard.
There's more than vaxx safety or totalitarian mandates involved. There's also being prepared to treat covid should you get it.
We can agree that covid vaccines aren't safe, but if we want to save lives, we have to educate people about how to be prepared to treat covid. Early, within 72 hours of symptom onset. The earlier, the better.
They're going to tank the supply chains and the money system. This is all distraction. They have many more devious plans for humanity. The antidote is talking about it. They are ambushing us right now just be aware because awareness will thwart it. Social Credit System Leak Reveals Elite's Plan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LiQ1AGuN5Q&t=1854s
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MwD... Thanks for addressing this prickly issue. Sadly, the efforts to divide us further seem to have been enhanced by the "no virus" zealots. Emotion has replaced reason. Pseudo-science has replaced science... Igor Chudov's remarks below are spot on.
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How can we all have the same opinion? We are divided on our opinions that's all. What is the alternative - are you going to agree with the side you don't agree with or are they going to agree with the side they don't agree with? It's a nonsense to worry about us being divided because we are each unique. Nobody is like you, nobody has the same views on every single thing. So we should embrace differences of opinion. It doesn't mean we are divided. We are having a good old talk about difference of opinions and that's healthy. Feeling pressured to not speak what we wish to express - that's NOT healthy!
It matters not that I either agree or disagree with your work. I recommend you publish it to open opportunities for more and much needed further debate and research.
So far there is virtually no one who will profit by proving viruses don't exist.
As an engineer I'm relaxed about accepting a theory that seems to help explain processes. My problem is that I haven't heard any good explanation about why some people succumb to a disease and others don't. Obviously ones starting immune system plays a role, but sometimes it just seems random.
It could just be that the body is so complex that we only have a really rudimentary understanding of it.
I can accept that viruses exist until a better theory comes up.
In the UK Challenge Trials nearly half intentionally exposed to the virus didn't become infected. They never developed any antibodies suggesting that mucosal cells killed the virus before it could even replicate. On the Princess Cruise ship an elderly couple were stuck on the ship for quite a period while the husband became ill, the wife never became ill. For some reason there has never been an exploration or explanation of their immunity. Clearly not all exposed will become ill and we seem to not know why.
The UK trial was heavily instrumented using PCR, lateral flow, cultures and blood samples of all the volunteers. They were all under 40 in good health. All were given the same exposure directly into their nose. Many had mild symptoms, some even were asymptomatic see https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-01780-9. They do say "Future studies will identify the immune factors associated with protection in those participants who did not develop infection or symptoms and define the effect of prior immunity and viral variation on clinical outcome." but so far nothing has been reported.
Proper information is not sought. Vaccine history is not sought, it's not even considered. It is just automatically accepted that it couldn't be vaccines but it is actually vaccines. The research is very clear now, listen to doctors who have been banned for having the gall to suggest otherwise.
I think the body-mind-spirit system is extremely complex. For example, I can’t explain the man from Germany who is said to have received approximately 90 shots of Covid-19 vaccines (different brands). If I want to claim that I understand the system, then I need to be able to properly explain the outliers, if I can’t, then I remind myself to be humble, cautious and patient.
That paper is a rag. They call dissenters "covid deniers". That right there tells you that you must succumb to their dogma or you'll be labeled a "denier". What they are are truth deniers. Two can play that game.
Agreed. “XYZ denier” is always a term of propaganda designed to associate, and in the weak minded equate, the holder of a dangerous view with a Holocaust denier.
Brilliant analysis as usual ! The virus denier's protestations are indeed Circular- It is challenging to break the circle with some TRUTH when the rabbit is chasing it's tail. I honestly think it is controlled opposition or perhaps Psy-ops pushed by CovidCon globalists who want never-ending control and power with more mandates, Mid-term Covariant lockdowns= mail in voting schemes.
My sense is that the majority of people in this are not controlled opposition so I am trying to give them the benefit of the doubt but I do not have experience in the area of spotting these people.
You are brilliant and logical, which is why I have been following you. However, your logic has failed you on numerous occasions in this article. For instance, in your wrap up you demand from the virus denier side:
"Provide a reasonable way you will accept your position being tested and disproven"
This is backwards. Those making a claim for a virus need to back up that claim. As you said there is no direct evidence of the virus. The only evidence is PCR which is indirect evidence. When you look closely you realize that it is really only evidence of some DNA/RNA in a sample. It is non-specific. Corman-Drosten, the PCR test authors, admit they had no sample of the novel virus when they devised the test. Please apply your logical mind to the idea that they crafted a test without a sample of the thing they were testing for!
One of the commenters on this thread is Christine Massey who has filed many FOIA requests with the CDC. In their responses they admit that they have never purified virus directly from a human sample. And if they have not purified virus then they have not done any valid causation studies, if they have done any at all.
Also, to say that some people are getting sick, therefore, there is nasty new virus, is poor logic and worse science.
I have found papers that showed the virus being isolated from samples in sick patients. I suspect the CDC simply did not get around to doing this as opposed to SARS-CoV-2 never being found in patients with COVID-19.
Tkhat's a pretty big slip up to make don't you think? The CDC should have offered proof but if they didn't, the people should have insisted on proof before accepting any virus or pandemic. Some of us can see the scam for what it is and are stunned that you all can't. That's mind control. Everyone had it but now it's time to snap out of it by talking. And I think it's great that you wrote on this subject. A good dialogue really needs to be had.
"The only evidence is PCR which is indirect evidence."
You can prove that mRNA has increased in cell culture. That is acceptable, even if indirect.
And animal models have been infected with fluid derived from humans who had covid. The animals became symptomatic.
"In parallel to the development of neutralization assays, a cohort was established in San Diego, California, of 17 donors who had previously been infected with SARS-CoV-2 (Fig. 2A, fig. S2A, and table S1). The cohort was 47% female, and the average age was 50 years. Infection was determined by a positive SARS-CoV-2 polymerase chain reaction (PCR) test from a nasopharyngeal swab. All donors also had symptoms consistent with COVID-19, and disease severity ranged from mild to severe,"
"At the time of writing, in vivo studies of SARS-CoV-2 infection have been described using macaques, cats, ferrets, hamsters, and transgenic mice expressing human angiotensin I converting enzyme 2 (ACE2). These infection models have already been useful for studies of transmission and immunity,"
Your standards for good science are very low. You refer to " animal models have been infected with fluid derived from humans who had covid." What else is in this fluid besides the supposed virus? Why can't they purify the virus and inject that into animals? Because they don't purify the virus. Christine Massey found that out from her FOIA requests.
Besides it says that the symptoms range from mild to severe? How many were mild, how many severe? How many asymptomatic?
if I understood you correctly...animals can get the virus if injected with bodily fluid from an infected human... so if animals are susceptible to the virus you now need to explain why theres no reported deaths of any of americans millions of household pets....or is that a strawman question?
what a crock of shit...how would some pets develop "anti-bodies"...but not all of them? and if pets could develop "anti-bodies" why pray tell couldnt humans? common sense son
Good article. I have my own theory that you may find interesting.
I’m not a dr or scientist but I have had a very interesting life which lead me to become interested in certain areas. My whole life I have had adverse events due to exposure to metals. It has meant I’ve met some very specialised scientists who value my experiences a lot. I’ve also been known all my life as someone who is highly intelligent with a high IQ. I have no conflicts at all. I went in with no biases. It’s lead to me coming up with my own theories based on my own health and the health of others I’ve observed and had input into. I have written a Substack on it. Very short and basic.
Basically the reason different people react differently to a virus is down to their toxic load and their hypersensitivity to their toxic load. The toxins the body has trouble breaking down. Metals to be specific. I’ve had a type 4 delayed type hypersensitivity to certain metals from about the age of 13. I’ve even had bad reactions to the mercury in tuna which caused chronic fatigue syndrome. I was eating a lot of it at the time.
I’ve found from my observations that we all have our own personal antigen tolerance level. Once we exceed our antigen limit disease occurs. Lowering the antigen level and symptoms improve. If heart attacks are a family susceptibility it will only happen to you if you exceed your antigen tolerance.
With orthopaedic implant allergy the symptoms can be minimised if the patient avoids vegetables, eggs and herbs. I even know a couple both reacting badly to their hip implants. The wife eats lots of organic fruit and vegetables yet her symptoms were so much more severe than her husbands who only ate fries.
With covid if you have a high metal load and have a type 4 allergy to metals you will have severe symptoms and could die.
If you have a high metal load but do not have a type 4 allergy to them you will have a rough time with covid but unlikely to die.
If you have a low toxic load and don’t have a type 4 allergy to viruses you probably won’t even know you have covid. I don’t believe a virus like covid kills people. I believe it’s the patients metal load and their sensitivity to it. When the body tries to detoxify the virus it also in the process tries to detoxify the patients built up toxic load of metals. It moves the metal toxins around the body and through the organs and that’s what causes the symptoms.
It happens to me without having a virus. I’m having a bad reaction to PMMA bone cement but also have a type 4 allergy to certain metals and a toxic load of them. So everyday I avoid things that have a detoxifying effect and avoid moving too much as that sets off all the symptoms too.
But if I do eat vegetables I get really sick. The symptoms are the same as long covid. I even have what’s been called “covid tongue” but I’ve never had covid. My covid tongue is caused by low vitamin c. I lowered it on purpose before my implant was removed in order to survive the symptoms. I was having anaphylactic shock every time I ate. After lowering vitamin c the symptoms improved.
I believe testing all covid patients with the Melisa test and also testing metal levels in the blood would be very revealing. Maybe some scientist out there wants to give it a go
This is a common belief in the integrative medicine field (especially Klinghardt who has argued certain chronic infections are maintained because the microbes such as candida sequester heavy metals).
It is also a common reason why people develop dementia and heart issues later in life as when their bones atrophy, the heavy metals they had stored leak out in the blood stream (especially for lead).
Very interesting. A topic I should but don't know much about.
I have CFS/M.E myself and have a host of similar theories but I have to eat lots of vegetables and herbs or spices. High antioxidant and high prebiotic. Antiinflammatory type diet.
I wonder if you have tried or heard of the FODMAP diet and perhaps we share different allergens which present as similar symptoms. Worsening or a crash.
I also wonder about mast cells, histamines and mast cell activation syndrome.
But I should definitely learn more about the metal aspect and how metal toxicities occur and are cleared from the body.
When a child I had no allergens and even as an adult I’ve been able to eat whatever I want to. I have type 4 allergies to mercury, titanium and aluminium. You become allergic through exposure. I’ve had to avoid Titanium dioxide in food for years. Prof Vera Stejskal said she believed I was allergic to thimerasol as well. It’s because I’m currently exposed that I’m unwell. To the bone cement. I’ve been having anaphylaxis/anaphylactic shock since 2019. Before the implant was removed even exercise would cause anaphylactic shock. Washing my hair in the shower I had to do slowly and gently. If I did it fast and vigorously it would cause anaphylactic shock. After the implant was removed in 2020 the titanium symptoms disappeared but not the odd symptoms out. I still had anaphylaxis/anaphylactic shock but I could control it better. Things have improved further over the last 2 years too. My antigen level is slowly lowering. If it wasn’t for the bone cement my health would be back to normal. There is a 570 page book on metal allergy which is being marketed as a clinical manual too for further information. You may be interested in the work of prof Vera Stejskal too RIP.
I was allergic to both. I believe it’s the aluminosilicate in the bone cement that is responsible for the remaining symptoms as after it was put in me I started reacting to things with aluminosilicate in them. Like I’m now allergic to my iPhone screen and had to get some composite fillings removed due to the aluminosilicate just to try mitigate symptoms.
I’ve had bad reactions to two spinal implants. First was in 2005. I was so unwell it changed my appearance. When I awoke from the surgery to remove the implant my appearance was already back to normal. It was a dramatic change.
My second implant in 2019 had titanium alloy screws and carbon fibre rods. Ti6AL4V is the titanium alloy so has aluminium and vanadium too. That’s when they used the Cortoss bone cement.
7 months later my dr said if it wasn’t removed soon I could die. It was removed after 10 months. The titanium symptoms disappeared but still reacting to the bone cement. I am getting better slowly and less sensitised.
Type 4 allergy to metals is very obvious in me and in my fathers side of the family. Very very obvious.
I’ve also noticed many with implant allergy get diagnosed with a range of things. Fibromyalgia, osteoporosis, mast cell problems, autoimmune issues and many more.
So what I decided to do was go onto health groups on Facebook and simply ask people about implants. I was surprised that in these unrelated health groups the overwhelming majority of people had an implant of some type.
Same with Facebook groups of people who use diet to minimise symptoms like the Lion diet. They almost all had an implant too.
As I have no prior training in medicine i thought id try reaching my own conclusions about human health by observing and questioning hundreds of sick people. It got to the point that I can tell when people are having an adverse event to vaccine adjuvants just by observation. I even found a few drs and a specialist having an adverse event. They told me they just try to cope with it. I told them they obviously aren’t coping if I can tell. One of the conclusions I came to was that in my opinion people’s biological response to metals can tell you an awful lot about people’s health and susceptibilities and these susceptibilities can be avoided with this knowledge
My medical history is fascinating when you go into the details. Some of the things that have happened have been very strange. The multiple instances of bad reactions to metals makes it much more interesting. I even reacted to a pair of underwear that caused bad swelling and a rash. It woke me up in the night. It turned out the underwear were made from polyester that had been impregnated with titanium dioxide which I reacted to. Lol
My dads side of the family has also been very illuminating as he has lots of siblings. My theory that family susceptibilities like heart attacks or cancer or even arthritis and mental illness only occur in family members who exceed their antigen tolerance keeps coming up and I really believe this is important for the future of healthcare.
I even wrote to the coroner in 2020 to tell them that if my most susceptible uncle is vaccinated it would kill him. I told the coroner about my families issues and that they shouldn’t be vaccinated and that I need the coroner to check for reasons related to metals if my uncle appears in front of them for an autopsy.
About 18 months later that uncle did get vaccinated and was dead within 48 hours.
Perhaps the belligerence, shared by Qbies & FlatEarthers, is 'sudden onset hostile attribution bias'. When one realises the sheer scope & constancy of the lies we are told, a vast betrayal by authorities we were taught to trust and, in many ways, need to trust .... It's a self-protective reaction run amok to begin to distrust everything. "If I didn't realise they were lying before, anyone could be lying now and I might not notice, so I'll just assume everyone's a liar and won't get fooled again."
Sudden betrayal can be very useful if it leads us to re-evaluation the things we've taken for granted. I find that double-checking things against logic & life experience helps to prevent the spiral into cynicism, as does finding some really wonderful people who serve as examples to counter the always/never extremes. Weirdly, Covid has stopped me from hating doctors (after some terrible experiences), because I keep remembering AMWD, Dr Mercola, Dr McCullough et al. fast enough to reject the all-or-nothing before it poisons my thinking or exits my mouth/fingers. Silver linings :)
Typically people are the most likely to abuse and treat badly those who are closest to them because no one else will let them get away with it. I view it as a need for them to cope with and discharge all the frustration they have built up, but I also do not feel its appropriate they are doing that to this group.
I looked. Oh, dear! The hysteria veritably radiates out of their posts. Thems some very angry sad frightened peeps. Hopefully, they'll find some other pastures to stomp around in soon. Meanwhile, sending you good vibes.
Thank you for sharing your expertise with courage, candor, and tolerance. This is another one of your rich explorations that will provoke deep consideration and constructive debate; just what is needed. I am so grateful for this informative and instructive post. Thanks again.
The January 24th 2020 study published in the New England Journal of Medicine entitled A Novel Coronavirus from Patients with Pneumonia in China, 2019 describes how the scientists arrived at the idea of COVID-19: they took lung fluid samples and extracted RNA from them using the PCR test. It admits that the coronavirus failed Koch’s postulates:
“Further development of accurate and rapid methods to identify unknown respiratory pathogens is still needed … our study does not fulfill Koch’s postulates.”
Chief epidemiologist of Chinese CDC admitted "they didn't isolate the virus". ON CAMERA.
Here's a bunch of questions which, if they can be answered with satisfactory scientific proofs, would utterly convince.
1. Why can't virologists extract purified virus particles from the infected patient sample without first:
a) introducting the unpurified patient sample to a cell culture;
b) starving the cell culture of nutrients;
c) poisoning the cell culture with antibiotic/antifungal drugs;
d) waiting for the cell culture to die (cythopathy), and then claiming the cell death was caused by the virus and not the steps a-c?
2. Why can't virologists perform a control test of the above "standard" isolation methodology to demonstrate once and for all that the very process they are using itself does not result in the cytopathic effects observed rather than the introduction of "virus" from a patient sample? Please note that Dr. Stefan Lanka has performed and repeated this control experiment and found that the process itself causes cytopathic effects, irregardless of the presence or absence of "virus".
3. Why can't virologists biochemically characterise the virus particle isolated directly from the patient sample without a culturing process in question 1?
4. Why can't virologists genetically Sanger sequence the full genome from the biochemically characterised virus particle wholly isolated from the patient sample without prior culturing?
5. Why must virologists mix the whole cell culture together (Q1.a-d) in a centrifuge at 100,000G until it forms a clump of material ("pellet"), and then genetically sequence that mixture for the "viral genome"?
6. Why can't virologists use density-gradient centrifugation to actually isolate the components of the "viral isolate" according to their size and molecular weight, and then genetically sequence gradient-sorted particles and compare them to the sequence extracted directly from the patient sample in Q.4?
7. Why can't virologists take the purified viral isolate extracted directly from the patient sample, add it to a healthy cell culture and then keep the culture well-fed and healthy to see how long it takes for cytopathic effects to occur?
8. Why can't virologists take the purified viral isolate extracted directly from the patient sample, add it to an inert nasal spray and permit its inhalation (the alleged mode of transmission) into a number of monitored animal subjects to discern if they acquire the suspected disease thereby?
9. Why can't virologists take the purified viral isolate extracted directly from the patient sample, add it to an inert nasal spray and permit its inhalation (the alleged mode of transmission) into a number of monitored human subjects to discern if they acquire the suspected disease therefrom?
If you want to assert that "viruses cause disease", then this claim must be proven scientifically. It never has been (especially questions 1, 2, 7, 8 and 9).
Truth is not something. we can overlook and ignore. The key difference between germ theory and terrain theory is this:
Germ theory states that germs are the primary causative agents of most diseases.
Terrain theory states that our internal environment the primary agent responsible for the diseases and microbes are only given the “advantage” to grow and proliferate within a certain environment.
One of the most interesting twists in this story, is that Pasteur recanted on his deathbed over his entire life work, stating that “the microbe is nothing; the milieu is everything.” Another way of stating these words is that it is not the germ that causes disease, but the terrain in which the germ is found.
Hippocrates was the one who said “all disease begins in the gut”. So why are we not talking more about the Terrain Theory? Why are we not spending more $$$ to support lifestyle factors to build a strong terrain?
Poisoning the cell culture with antibiotic/antifungal drugs first. Terrain theory over demonology any day.
I spent ages trying to find the source that Pasteur said this, and as far as I can tell it was an urban myth that perpetuated without any originating proof.
I have read thousands of scholarly articles and have yet to find any mention of any of this--not that it matters. We have seen human to animal model transmission of covid.
My past included a stint with the UC Student Lobby. Remarkable that as late as 1987 students working in UC labs had no lockers for dirty toxic lab coats or MSDS information in labs for cleaning spills. UC fought tooth and nail to not do so. Despite thousands of science articles on human health. Money not health runs the show. Ivan Ilich wrote on doctor caused illness the 1970's. Medical Nemesis.
I love this article. I have several virus deniers on my substack. While I do not agree with them, they are my valued readers with interesting thoughts on various matters. I do challenge them gently from time to time.
While I do think that virus denial is a mistaken belief, I am pretty certain that I unknowingly hold some other mistaken beliefs, so I just let them say whatever they want and I sometimes make comments to express why I do not agree with them.
Overall, the belief in virus denial is not really a big societal problem, unlike, say, belief that covid vaccine is safe and effective.
Hi Igor. I too appreciate this article, while I might have decided for myself that Viruses do not exist, at least in a contagious manner, I am still open to this debate as I'm just a bloke that hits a keyboard for a living. I appreciate that your engagements with your readers that might not go along with the full germ theory are respectful. I too agree that, right now, the fighting mandates is the more important fight. But I also think that until contagion can be unequivocally proven and that ALL other potentials are ruled out i will be forever on the fence. But I have one issue...
I don't think we will win this battle, at least not until so much damage is done that ends civilisation as we know it. I know that sounds nihilistic, but I see as the opposite. Its made me appreciate a higher force than humans and made me appreciate the joy of another day.
Yeah, we are people and we can agree to disagree. I was infected by a covid infected person, had covid, lost smell for a month, and had other covid symptoms such as diarrhea and lowered blood oxygen. It was not a cold and it was contagious.
Do you believe in viruses? I love you
You don't believe in viruses? I love you too
Well how can we disagree with that. I love you too 😁
Igor - but you understand that Tom Cowan, for example, isn't saying that getting sick from contact with another sick person isn't a thing. He agrees it happens. I myself caught COVID at my first large gathering along with around 10-15% of those there, in 2020. I know *something* is contagious.
He says the disease is a process in the body to deal with a toxin/shock and that the fact this process is going on is transmitted to other people, who are warned - like everyone agrees that trees warn each other of environmental changes - by some unknown process. Say, for example, "shedding" a particle - which might in fact look a lot like the virus particles we analyse. But the point is that they are not the attackers, they are markers, they are information.
I'm not saying I know the answer one way or the other, I know nothing of biochemistry. But I do think the "no virus" claims are internally consistent and not as idiotic as they are made out to be by most people.
The whole problem is this "by some unknown process." He is proposing an alternative model to explain what is occurring, but can't actually state what the model is.
If you hold that logical standard, I could likewise argue every single thing that happens to you was a result of God's will, so there is no point in you trying to have any agency or autonomy because I believe each event being God's will is also a viable explanation...even though in virtually all cases I can't prove it beyond stating that it seems like it's God's will because I saw some similar situations described within the Bible.
Firstly, I wonder if you agree plants and trees communicate chemically to transmit information about, say, a potential hazard or pathogen? My understanding is that this is well understood. Proposing we do it also is not a stretch to me.
Second, insisting on an alternative model when the existing one is so poor is practically assuming your conclusion.
What do I mean by poor? The virus theory for sars-cov-2, says: there is this particle that causes a disease in some percentage of people. We thought it was passed in surfaces, but turned out it wasn't. We said masks stopped it, turned out they didn't. But it gets in there somehow. Which people get actually sick? We can roughly say, but just roughly. There is a highly random component too.
What symptoms does it cause? Well as someone pointed out in a comment above, a sore throat and a loss of sense of smell are both legitimate symptoms. That is, two totally different things in two people, same cause though. We know this, it's not in doubt.
Is this particle the only thing that can cause a sore throat? No, not at all. Loss of sense of smell? This is somewhat more rare and specific to Covid, but also certainly not unique.
So, a single cause has multiple effects. And each effect has multiple other possible causes. And sometimes it has no effect.
I work in engineering. This is the nightmare scenario - many-to-many mapping essentially. And everyone knows to tread super carefully and assume everything is wrong until it is triple and quadruple checked. And even then still think it might be wrong.
Yet in virology, anyone who suggests we might do more tests, do the triple check - they are called a "denier"? I find this highly suspicious and remain on the fence.
And BTW, we'd know - without anyone having to say - that the things we were measuring to give these random effects and different outcomes and so on, that they were just proxies for the real causes. That is, we'd know there are hidden or latent variables that we don't understand that are deterministically driving the process, but that we don't yet know what they are. And we'd be theorising about it. Virologists are happy to say "X didn't get affected because they have a good immune system".
Can we measure the immune system in advance and predict who will get COVID and who will not? No. We can just retroactively say they must have had a good immune system. This circular reasoning, the total absence of a model and any predictive power is of course a sign not of science but of religion.
That said, I know nothing of biochemistry. Maybe virology is correct and they are just being sloppy, or they - via their hands on experience - know things that are hard to demonstrate to someone like me. I could buy this. But let them say this directly. They don't, they try to claim there is cast iron proof when I do not believe this is warranted.
I 100% agree that the form of communication you are describing occurs. Could you send me a link to where Cowan discussed this in relationship to viruses and COVID-19? I would really like to see that because I have been looking into something similar.
If they want a different test done, they need to fund it and they won't.
Well said, thank you.
Enjoying your comment more than a year on.
Shame about your surname being the same as a medical freedom authority and self appointed spokesperson.
I unsubscribed a while ago from this Substack because of author's entrenched position on viruses.
Just because people are catching something from others doesn't mean that it is a virus.
Plus, a skeptical person can see how the virus theory drives so much of a pill for an ill way of thinking from the medical establishment.
I don't get it. Just prove contagion and replication with a pure virus isolate. Isolated from anything else. Just prove it. It fine if you cant prove it, but then just admit that you can't
I can't "prove it" because an impossible and arbitrary standard has been put forward over what constitutes that standard. If you read the articles linked to by Kirsch by other authors you will see that:
1) Contagion and replication with a pure virus isolate has been repeatedly demonstrated.
2) The way " prove contagion and replication with a pure virus isolate" is being defined is completely different from what anyone else in the field utilizes.
3) The way " prove contagion and replication with a pure virus isolate" has been defined it is impossible to ever meet that standard.
The whole answer is a willingness to live our question!
Tom Cowan literally has an entire book dedicated to "The Contagion Myth".... so you have misunderstood & mis-stated his position. Contagion has never been proven - despite hundreds of experiments being done (so much so that they have stopped trying to prove it all together in their experiments). Virology also never uses a control EVER - except twice. Once in 1954 in the Enders/Peebles measles study and once by Dr Stefan Lanka in 2021. BOTH times. The control experiment PROVED the cytopathic effect was a result of the experiment conditions and NOT the so-called "virus".
If you watch The Baileys and Cowan recent video Jan 2023 discussing McKiernans responses recently, there is a segment where he says he will send the best proof he can think of demonstrating proper isolation. He links a Ralph Baric paper, that references another paper Baric co-authored, within which A CONTROL (mock) assay, displays the very same cytopathic effects as the others of claimed Sars-CoV-2. Quite interesting they did any control and brushed over such result, as though it means nothing at all.
He has a whole chapter in his book where he discusses "resonance". The trees thing was me. But Cowan clearly talks about how people do get these "diseases" together.
I think Tom was referencing the widely accepted definition of contagion.
contagion
/kənˈteɪdʒ(ə)n/
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noun
the communication of disease from one person or organism to another by close contact.
"the rooms held no risk of contagion"
DATED
a disease spread by close contact.
plural noun: contagions
"through personal hygiene the spread of common contagions is discouraged"
Similar:
contamination
infection
disease
illness
infirmity
pestilence
plague
blight
bug
virus
the spreading of a harmful idea or practice.
"the contagion of disgrace"
Yes, quite, this is the argument that is not understood by most people. Unfortunately most people do not have the ability accept that maybe humans do not yet have all the answers. But if someone is going to claim contagion, then just, please, for the love of God, prove it, just once, but they can't even do that.
Infected? Any evidence? Loss of smell and taste is due to zinc deficiency. My family and I have been living in Shanghai since July 2019. We are NEVER sick. We take a lot of vitamin C, and essential minerals.
So how could groups of people rapidly develop a zinc deficiency?
Hmm, I guess I must challenge the premise, "rapidly develop"?
That aside, do you not read the literature? The symptom "loss of smell and or taste" is highly correlated with zinc deficiency. (Please review collated works by the Linus Pauling Institute).
Nevertheless, if we are talking about the American population, let us think a bit. 50% obesity; diets loaded in high fructose corn syrup; high levels of consumption of polyunsaturated Omega-6 (sourced from GMO soy, canola, GMO corn, etc.), chronic deficiencies in vitamins C and E (full mixed tocopherols), and essential minerals (zinc, chromium, magnesium, potassium, bio-available calcium, selenium, manganese, copper).
Have you seen the lectures of Chris Knobbe, MD? He explains the relationship between HFCS and how it affects D3 and converts it to D2. Additionally, we can consider the simple relationship between D3 levels, and the ability of the body to absorb calcium, which in turn affects phosphorous levels, and thus integrity of phospholipids at the cellular level. If cell integrity cannot be maintained, then iron is released ...
What did we see early on in 2020? Hyperferritinemia in "Covid" patients. They were often taking Rx drugs for high blood pressure, kidney disease, diabetes, and or statins.
Of course, obese and malnourished Americans suffer oxidative stress. And just as there are different manifestations of oxidative stress, there are different anti-oxidant levels in each person - based on diet, Rx drug use, exercise, absorption rates, and so on.
In closing, you can save a lot of people ... improve their nutrition (I use the taxonomy of Dr. William Kelley), and eliminate their toxic load (from bad and artificial food to vaccines and Rx poison).
Best
None of those factors are new.
It is very rare for people to acutely develop mineral deficiencies.
There hence needs to be a new agent or environmental change people could have been exposed to that would have triggered it.
I am fully familiar with all the information you mentioned, but it falls into a common logical trap other people get stuck in...it does not translate to the chronology of events we witnessed.
Yes normally zinc deficiencies can cause loss of smell/taste, however in the case of Covid it was so wide spread and severe, and taking zinc before, during and afterwards did not resolve the issue, makes me deduce that some other mechanism must have caused it correct? Is it possible either inflammation, toxicity from the spike protein or some other factor caused the damage to the olifactory nerves?
The different levels of oxidative stress in each person and different amounts of medications and varied diets would also account for the rise and fall of 'cases' as opposed to the viral spread of a contagious agent which would suggest ever increasing cases until it burns out. What we have is a pandemic of NCD (non contagious disease) which the WHO forecast back in 2011.
If there is a virus which causes disease, its effect pales in comparison.
My family got covid about a year ago. My eldest daughter returned from university feeling slightly ill. She went and got a covid test and it came back positive. Over the next 4-5 days the rest of us (two parents, two more teenagers) came down with it one after the other. The two girls had both just returned from university, the rest of us lived at home.
We were all sick for 10-14 days with similar symptoms. Low intermittent fever, exhuastion, temporary loss of taste, + various other cold/flu like symptoms.
Are you saying that we all suddenly suffered zinc-deficiencies at the same time despite having been living in different places, consuming different diets, drinking from different water supplies?
Seems far more likely to me that my eldest daughter came home and infected the rest of us.
Could sudden loss of zinc maybe due to sudden increase in glyphosate ingestion? Glyphosate, extensively used on the most common food stuffs like corn, wheat, and soy, binds to many minerals, including magnesium and probably zinc. Glyphosate was originally made to clean minerals from pipes! When glyphosate binds to minerals neither the food plants, nor your body, can use them.
There are studies out of Europe that show that glyphosate is in the human food system, as well as the animal food system. There are no studies about that from the US, they are not allowed to study that. Either the US study won't get funding, or it won't get published. Other studies out of Europe show that animals fed GMO foods with glyphosate double the amount of medical cost per animal.
Some of those studies are here on someone's site: https://chuckrblog.blogspot.com/
Recent study in the news: CDC Finds Glyphosate in Urine of Majority of Children in U.S. The glyphosate, known by other names such as Roundup, comes mainly from the food. Other studies from Europe have found glyphosate in the majority of people tested. https://thevaccinereaction.org/2022/07/cdc-finds-glyphosate-in-urine-of-majority-of-children-in-u-s/ Source: https://www.ewg.org/news-insights/news-release/2022/07/cdc-finds-toxic-weedkiller-87-percent-children-tested The August 2020 report: https://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxprofiles/tp214.pdf
Dear Bacca400,
Good point. I think there is another aspect to the recognition of loss of taste, and or manifestations of zinc deficiency: media. I just met a couple, here in Shanghai, who said that they had "Covid" months ago. He had no taste - for six weeks. She never lost sense of taste, but had a sore throat and dry cough for two weeks. They claim that they were "infected" with the SAME virus. If HE had lost his sense of taste or smell 15 years ago, he never would declare that the had the SAME illness-causing agent as his partner. Similarly, SHE would never believed that her cough was responsible for his loss of taste.
By March 2020, people started getting the idea that any and all signs of illness (cold, flu, headache, etc) were the SAME thing. That is a mass mediated pathology. Like the Amish man said: "we do not have any Covid, because we don't watch television."
Best
Our friend Bill Gates has commercial interests in glyphosates and other toxic substances
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https://truthout.org/articles/what-bill-gates-isn-t-telling-you-about-gmos/
https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/03/02/toxic-agriculture-and-the-gates-foundation/
What if it is not rapid, but rather a critical mass type of phenomenon? This article just came out https://www.remnantmd.com/phytic-acid/ which happens to discuss zinc.
Glyphosate may confound the problem. What if one cause of what we call covid is deficiency combined with toxicity?
Why does the critical mass occur at a precise time that follows an expected chronology of infection and did not happen on a large scale prior to 2020?
five questions for the "virus" is real people...I'm sure you will be able to answer them...or will you?...https://www.bitchute.com/video/rekrHZ52IKZy/
Can you write out the key points from the video?
The pathways that the body seeks to restore balance and function after toxic shock or imbalance are many, and may deplete resources available.
So there can be many variable or synergistic 'reasons' for zinc deficiency.
This is then a basis for ensuring to not exclude suspects because our pet theory seems to fit - especially when such a theory has been groomed as The Science, while toxicology and psychic-emotional shock are discarded. In the circumstance the GoF mentality is revealed in the psyop to such a depth of deceit that it reveals inter-generational intent to manipulation of our thought and emotion as a control or defence against disclosure.
The existential threat being communicated through false pretexts is of a collapsing 'system' - so there is an underlying truth in terms of our stake in such a world as we be-lived real.
My sense is that zeta potential or vitality of coherence in the field of life is not primarily caused by what we take in, but what we give forth.
Unhealed or un-owned conflicts are compounded to a world of displacement. Someone else pays, takes the blame, is sacrificed that I or a select we, are 'saved or mitigate fear of pain of loss. Hence gaslighting, greenwashing and identity-conflict as the fuel for a death cult!.
But to return to your question, ask it and gather suspects.
If contagion occurs via other means than as initially conceived , modified and mutated over time, then be open to that minds ARE joined, and water is a matrix of communication for physics as for life.
The archetype of 'fear of possession' the curse, fear of Retribution - set in unconscious guilts (set in mythic identity) are all running as ever they have, but set into complex rationalised reframing.
The intent to possess and control life slips in as an unguarded moment, we meet our reflection or feedback as a violator, adversary, or treachery in life. Our 'justified' defences lock us into what the past made us, and makes us still as the shaped charge of pain of loss.
The term 'tipping point' is invoked for risk-modelling environmental sustainability as narratives of guilt, fear and manipulation of false predicates and 'elastic' variables. But we are at a tipping point AS A RESULT of be-living such deceits - and this shows on all levels including our functional physical, emotional-mental and psychic being.
True foundation is not of our manufacture, but 'waits' on our acceptance. That is, truth is never coercive. That is how we recognise a basis for release or undoing of error.
Over night? Instantly????
That's interesting. I was only thinking today how Beijing was being constantly pummeled by sandstorms from the Gobi desert. I know that's not Shanghai but was wondering what came of that, if they fixed it somehow. I'll have to look it up.
Dear Denise Ward,
Here in Shanghai, like much of China now, people are subjected to throat swabs (for nucleic acid/PCR evaluations). I have done this nearly 60 times since April 2020. Always negative, of course. My supposition is that I am not tested after presenting as sick in the hospital. People in China go to the hospital at the drop of a hat - any sniffle or cough - and they go. I cannot see how anything but that group of hypochondriacs makes up the vast majority of "positive" (yet usually asymptomatic) cases. As well, the average age of death "with" Covid in China is over 80. And in Chinese language, the definition of Covid is pneumonia. So the confirmation of a case should require a chest X-ray. But I have never met a person in China (local or foreigner) who ever said "I had Covid". None of my students or their family members have ever been diagnosed with "Covid." But a grandmother or two has been determined positive for "the virus."
That's interesting. I think many people are becoming hypochondriacs actually, always talking about sickness or healing. I never do any of that stuff and am as fit as a fiddle. And I'm not young chronologically! It's baffling why people are worried about the average age of death being over 80. I could never have believed all this if I hadn't seen it.
No, you BELIEVE you were infected with Covid because a bit of plastic formed 2 lines and that convinced you.
Confirmation bias (and psychosomatic symptoms) then allowed you to believe that you had lost your your sense of smell.
You had the common cold.
Put it this way, if you'd woken in the morning in 2018 with those symptoms (having never heard of Covid) would you have run downstairs and told your wife you had a 'new' virus in you?
No, you would not have batted an eyelid and gone and got some Lemsip.
This is not a 'new' illness, it's actually the oldest illness known to mankind, Mass Psychosis and the only place this 'virus' exists is in yours, and many others, minds.
"a bit of plastic formed 2 lines and that convinced you."
Nothing at all to do with that. Nothing. The tests are a joke.
"Confirmation bias (and psychosomatic symptoms) then allowed you to believe that you had lost your your sense of smell."
I didn't lose my sense of smell.
"You had the common cold."
You have no idea what I had.
"if you'd woken in the morning in 2018 with those symptoms (having never heard of Covid) would you have run downstairs and told your wife you had a 'new' virus in you?"
I've had asthma/weak chest my whole life and I've had more chest infections and flu-like illnesses than anyone I know - way, way more.
Would I have immediately said I have a "new virus"? No I would not have said that. But after a time I most definitely would have noticed - and did notice - whatever was happening was different to all of the dozens and dozens of chest infections I'd had before.
First, it lasted way longer - the tenth day, I could barely stand and it was the worst day. Every other I've had my whole life I was recovered and back in work after 10 days. Second, I got a weird rash/blotches on my ankles and feet - and it was not "psychosomatic", because it was only after I saw these and I googled it that I realised this was a common symptom of this new disease being referred to in the newspapers, whatever it is. And third, the symptoms (specifically the coughing) were way way way worse than anything I've ever had - I was coughing for weeks, and the hacking sound in the second week resulted in a text from my neighbour asking if I was ok.
All unique to my illness in June 2021. After the first gathering I went to, at which a few other people also got similarly ill.
"Mass Psychosis and the only place this 'virus' exists is in yours, and many others, minds."
I have several dozen data points. This particular illness was an outlier, a clear outlier, from all the other chest infections I've had. I absolutely agree there is a "Mass Psychosis" going on here, but you are exhibiting something similar in your complete dismissal of objective facts right in front of your face. Not facts from Branch Covidians, but from someone who saw through this farce from about a week into it. Got a better explanation for why I got uniquely ill? I'm all ears. I'm not tied to anything. But you dismissing out of hand evidence that some people experienced something new - saying it's in my head - makes you just as bad as them.
Dear John, would you by any chance humour me and allow me to ask if you happen to be a Gemini? You mention too that your Covid case, seemingly different from all prior flu/chest infections that have plagued your life, was in June, which is its matching month. You also mention rashes then appearing on your ankles, then feet. Which happen to match up somewhat nicely with something. May I ask politely too, if you also suffered from any Bowel issues with this, or pains in your solar plexus region at the time at all? If so there is a possible connected explanation and something you may wish to look into that may help alleviate or lesson your recurrent flu like/chest infections in future, that may indeed interest you, if you are willing to suspend some disbeliefs to test the theory out in a harmless manner. Kind regards and I hope you are in good health in 2023.
" if you also suffered from any Bowel issues with this, or pains in your solar plexus region at the time at all?"
I don't remember this no so probably not. I'm a Sagittarius.
But I am always open to learning new stuff if you have something related to this I could read or test something? The rashes "match up" with something?
This in June 2021 was literally my first gathering. Several people got sick, about 15% of people who attended. Some very sick like me, we were in a WhatsApp group afterwards.
You had a bacterial chest infection then.
Other than your opinion that it was way worse there is still no evidence that you had a 'new' virus.
You WANT to believe this was a 'new' virus and confirmation bias has done the rest.
I work as a Paramedic on a 999 Ambulance. I have yet to see my first unequivocal serious case after 2.5 years from this 'new' virus.
All deaths from Covid have rational alternative explanations.
It's in your mind, not your body.
You're wrong again. I don't "want" to believe anything, I don't care what it was, I'm just reporting the facts.
"your opinion that it was way worse there is still no evidence that you had a 'new' virus"
Firstly, it's not my "opinion" it was way worse. By any reasonable metric, it was in fact in every way worse than the dozens I've had before. What makes it so hard for you to accept this?
Second, I agree - that "there is still no evidence that you had a 'new' virus". I'm not disagreeing with this.
The fact is that at the same time the media and the world was reporting there was a new disease floating around, I had a chest infection that was clearly worse and had a different character to all of the dozens I've had before. And in at least one respect (the blotches on my feet) it matched what other people reported.
I'm open to what it was, maybe bacterial, maybe a "new virus" (though I doubt this too), maybe something else. I'm just stating the facts and taking them on board. You can keep telling yourself it was in my mind, but it was in fact in my body - you're the one making stuff up in your head, denying basic facts and making them fit your worldview. Like you seem to now telepathically know I had a "bacterial chest infection", despite your previous post telling me equally categorically that I had a "common cold".
Bouncing from one categorical statement to another contradictory one, while calling anyone not agreeing with you 100% an idiot, is exactly what the Branch Covidians are doing.
I find that extraordinary.
How do you know mass hysteria is not a social masking to a lesser from of fear so as to regain some sense of normality and control? Even madness and death are chosen as preferable to intolerable fear or pain of loss.
The experience is not in question. What is questionable is our interpretive perception-response patterns. Otherwise any belief would be irrevocable and self-damming belief - God-proof!
You are not in question, but you are the freedom to question or be curious as to WHO told you you were naked (susceptible or defenceless to attack)?
The nature of toxic shock is not recognised by attempts to limit and depreciate the mind. This is the death spiral to 'narrative dictate' or zero-tolerance risk-models to "deniers". It expressed emotional charge as self-certainty. But we are never certain, at rest or whole in conflict, no matter how intensely we invest in it.
But all of what I offer applies equally to the identity set in virus denial.
The ego-use of denial is like the 'War on whatever' - it feeds and protects conflict as a source of funding and control, as a mask of 'caring', 'protecting' or 'saving'.
Belief as a mask is a defence, not a true calling or conviction. And so it breaks down. What we live to each other is what we actually believe, not what we say.
Do you also love the virus deniers who accuse those who got sick and almost died of lying about being sick and almost dying?
Dear Sage Hana,
I am sorry, but I do not know the context of your statement. Of course, people die every day. My main concern and area of analysis has been "excess" deaths and or trends. I believe that in most countries, through 2021, the average age of a person who was recorded as a "Covid death" was at or above the current life expectancy of that country, and definitely lived longer than their life-expectancy at birth (circa 1940).
Additionally, for those who understand the benefits of antioxidants, we see that standard "Western" medical treatment is often iatrogenic, and things like Remdesivir, instead of IV vitamin C, and other nutrients, killed many people.
That aside, I am always delighted to suggest protocols to anyone. My parents are 93 and 82 respectively, and have not had a cold or sniffles in this "Covid" era. They followed my regimen of high dose vitamin C, D3, exercise, zinc, selenium, and magnesium glycinate. As well, they eschew any and all artificial foods (e.g., hydrogenated oils, aspartame, artificial colors, preservatives, etc.).
I think that you can find that Sayer Ji, (GreenMed Info) also advised people to eat health, organic foods, get lots of anti-oxidants, and so forth.
Lastly, the term "virus" denier, is akin to saying "unicorn" denier. Obviously we have all seen artists renderings, but to see the "real thing", well, that should be proven by those who say that: (a) exogenous viruses exist; and (b) such are pathogenic, after being inhaled. I encourage you to ask virology professor Vincent Racaniello at Columbia. He says that humans encounter billions of viruses daily ... but for some reason, he cannot explain why we are not always sick ...
Oh well, trust the dogma, er science.
Best
If you "fight" anything you are giving it more energy. This is something the looney toones know but keep from the people. Just say no, it's so simple. Don't wear the mask, don't go get tested, don't put masks on your children and find out about anything you put into your children's body. So simple. Don't fight anything, while you fight, they know they're winning, they know, you are giving their agenda your energy, even if you're against it. Because you are not building YOUR agenda. What is your agenda do you even know it?
Unfortunately many people are in the position where they cannot chose to not comply
Folks who carry a lot of financial debt cannot choose whether or not to comply. It’s a pretty common form of slavery, even if it is ultimately self-imposed.
I can’t help but notice there are overlapping similarities with addiction.
Good analogy!
I'd disagree with self-imposed. I don't remember ceding govt authority to print currency to a bunch of banksters (it happened before I was born). And once they've got the system set up (and using entrainment tech & propaganda to encourage debt), we're trapped until we create an alternative. The banksters like it when we disparage each other instead of looking at the Himalayan-slope playing field.
I understand your point of view and completely agree the Banksters are evil. But Debt is still something that people literally sign up for.
I’ve been aware that the situation we find ourselves in was coming for over three decades. I read about Bretton Woods and I watched Nixon remove us from the Gold Standard. I remember the gas lines of the 1970’s. As such I made a promise to my self and my family to only pay for things in cash as I could afford them. My journey has been ENORMOUSLY difficult at times. Yet, in many ways, it has become totally freeing.
There were times when I didn’t own a car. I made a living selling junk on eBay. All of my clothing and children’s clothing was second-hand. I haven’t had a television for 35 years. We spent a lot of time at the library because it’s free and we’ve each learned a lifetime of self-sufficiency skills. It was not easy but it has surely paid off.
I know better than most that the playing field is not level. It’s precisely why I REFUSE to play their game.
open to debate ?really?
if your comments made recently in another thread are somewhat representative i have to disagree.....
Do you want to debate me?
I want to post a thesis, my own opinion, your opinion, my rebuttal, and your rebuttal. I am not sure how to organize it as there are several virus deniers. I want your opinion to be heard and delivered and my readers can decide.
We can also just open a thread and debate in comments, but it will be messier and less entertaining.
you might just want to check the thread about who wrote what....
Cry me a river
Nailed it!!!!
Get over yourself Jan. I'm not the expert. You were being condescending and your tone was way off. I may have lost my cool but you were pressing my buttons more than my teenage daughter.
You blame others for your emotions? So then you're responsible for theirs right? It doesn't make sense to blame others for your emotions. You are the driver there.
No Denise, I don't blame others, as I admit, I lost my cool, this because I got a little agitated by an insistent irritating stalker. I should, however, have known better
Well we all do sometimes - but kudos to you for admitting it and moving on.
Cry me a river
Look, he bought it up, not me 🤣. We might both be fighting the mandates but I'd be very careful if you ended next to him the trenches
I was being funny. Van Ruth looks very sloppy.
I have nothing against beliefs. My only fear is that the victims of a bio-terrorist attack do not recognize clearly who their enemy is after 2.5 years despite the published facts by the predators.
Clown Schwab and Kill Gates have lined up a bunch of viruses to be released before 2030 and if even the red-pilled still doubt that viruses are been released (SARS-Cov-2 and Money pox) to destroy them, I don't know what to say. It's not a matter of belief, these are facts.
We only have reason as our "weapon". They have the media, billionaires, government, custom, power, all the advantages. And what do we have - you and me? Free speech and body autonomy. And everyone is handing that off like there's no tomorrow.
Even though we disagree on quite a few points here, I also want to emphasize I strongly agree with many things you are saying like this comment.
Thanks for saying that. It's always fine if people disagree with me, bring it on. State reasons and we go back and forth like that till we land on our truth. This is our safety net actually. The truth can live up to scrutiny. And we are all learners and teachers throughout our lives. Your newsletter is great because you uphold free speech. That is the gold standard to me.
very well said, Denise!
But couldn't they sicken us without the use of viruses? There are plenty of harmful substances they could use, not the least of which is radiation and statospheric poisoning.
and the crap in the food and all the chemicals in toiletries, flame retardant on fabrics, glyphosate on the cereal. It's a miracle any of us are still alive and a testament to human strength. We look kinda frail and gangly, but we're actually as tough as nails.
Toxins from multiple vectors means no one company can be pinpointed for liability. It's genius, but takes a longer time to poison ppl.
That is a very common approach in America!
I’ve often pondered the release of harmful substances into the environment. “They” that engage in this release must also have an antidote for their own protection. We need to focus on those protective substances.
Sure. But first we would have to determine what they are spraying, or what infected insects are they releasing.
Perhaps indeed, as they would neither release air, water, or indeed jab shed threats to themselves without an antidote. So perhaps there really is nothing but fear and toxic jabs they avoid like the plague itself, if such was not always just excuses for other causes they too avoided then.
They've released a bioweapon and anything else they release will also be augmented/synthetic so I do think it's mistaken to just say 'virus' with regard to what emerged in 2019/20 and what will be released. People are going to continue dying from effects from the shots which likely includes effects from the nanotechnology.... Of course, the point of any actual viral release will mainly be to create new "vaccines" to further poison the true believers and push for further mandates to poison the rest of us.
Well if we sit it out, who have we got to blame? We need to debate good and hard whenever something doesn't make sense and especially when something is being censored.
I can only speak from what I have seen from the hundreds of people that I know know and have come in to contact with in the last 2.5 years, and that is to say that, if they made Covid as a bio weapon, they are shit at making contagious bio weapons. The bio weapon is the vax, and TBH, even that only kills slowly in the vast majority. I have no fear of their "contagious" viruses. But I do fear the effect of their propaganda and vaxes on my gullible loved ones.
Agree 100% - I am not competent to make reasoned judgments as to no virus/virus etc. But I just don't see how the deadly virus/bio weapon side of the debate accounts for all of the obvious fakery. The change of death certificate protocols; the whole died with/died of issue; the fraudulent PCR test; the perverse reimbursements to hospitals; the disappearance of influenza in 2020, the steep decline in cancer and cardiac deaths in 2020; the lack of excess mortality in 2020 (excepting the Mar-May period when all the old people died in the LTC facilities) - the acknowledged military grade psychological operation, the fact that so many rulers were not the least frightened personally; Dr Brix insisted that people not travel at Thanksgiving 2020 and restrict family gatherings; yet she traveled to and gathered with her family at her seaside villa. It goes on and on.
I suppose, to quote a famous person, at this point what difference does it make? "The bio weapon is the vax".
The MonkeyPox appears to have been merely side effects of the Covid Shots as either Acute Inflammatory Blistering Syndrome (lol) or possible lack of control of Herpes Zoster as Shingles. It was blamed on gay sexual transmission and looked not only ridiculous but perverted and disgusting when kids and dogs apparently exhibited such. Perhaps from familial shedding for the dogs or the childrens shots. So the CDC and WHO seemed to drop that one pronto. Besides, all so called POXES, can be cured with the traditional remedy from the 1800s of Saraccenia Purpura Pitcher Plants, as the Native Americans discovered, when Arsenic laden soaps were used to wash furs upstream of their settlements, which was blamed on SmallPox infected blankets, as bio-weapons. Even though there is really no difference, from one boil like manifestation of toxic chemicals and poisons to another, in such expressions perhaps.
Hmmm.... I just lost a fairly lengthy reply to this re POXES and jab side effects and natural remedies for Poxes from Pitcher Plants that Native Americans discovered when they were in theory smote down by blanket bourne bio-weapons. The reality far more likely they were poisoned by fur traders upstream by accident.
I feel skeptical about the small pox blanket story.
Ooops my error, I did not lose the prior post. It just wandered off further down this old substack post to below this. Thought maybe the content was toxic, or I had sent too many messages to an old thread and was viewed a spambot.
Yes that's an important factor that people forget - our body is an amazing adapter. The human body more than any species. Fear is the thing that debilitates our health. Right on! The ghouls know it, that is why they have to keep the attacks going in every direction.
the whole vax scam was allowed to be instituted BECAUSE people believe there are actual "viruses"...if there are no viruses theres no need for vaxxines or hundreds of other big pharma concoctions...which means big pharma and the government can no longer fearmonger the public into getting vaxxed...and this would put an end to any future "virus plandemics"....thats why its of UTMOST importance to VERIFY or DISPROVE the existence of viruses....I am 68 and never got vaxxed or even "tested" not because I didnt believe there were no viruses but because I didnt trust the government OR big pharma...and I have read several books that exposed the vaccine scam...ALL vaxxines...now I have a question...if there is a "virus" be it "man made" or from a bat...why hasnt it killed any of the millions of pets in americas homes? does the virus just hate humans? if so I can understand its reasoning....thanks
Well said. Also, there’s no way that the eugenocidal sociopaths running this giant fraud and crime would release into the world a pathogen that could attack them. Nobody with a brain trusts medicine and antidotes 100%.
IMO, the pathogen escaped before it was ready (sloppy safety protocols in Wuhan, somebody probably bribed the inspector, very common in China). And they were tweaking it to attack those who can't afford good healthcare, organic food and holidays at the beach. It's evil genius really.
OMG that is so lame stream media.....
What's that supposed to mean?
There is NO VIRUS!
https://francesleader.substack.com/p/there-is-no-virus
You make valid point that proving once and for all IF, or IF NOT, Viruses or bacterial transmission of a contagion is possible, would indeed make or break Pharmas model and Political scams, IF, they are scams. Given that most viral (if not all) and apparently even bacterial experiments proved fruitless to prove transmission in experiments in the past, even apparently eating drinking huge quantities of bacterial cultures of numerous supposed pathogens (Pettenkofer of Vienna, Fraser of Canada, Powell of California Feb 1921 US Gov "Hygenic Lab Bulletin No.123")
As for pets, well, WEF has said for Green Agendas they want less pets or better still none. They are coming for the livestock too as food supply, to either kill it off totally, or to contaminate it even further. However, with regards pet transmission, we can take 2 views.
1) IF a Zoonotic Bat Virus did indeed jump to humans, or was GoF Lab made to do so, then it likely does not have receptor binding for other species, so our pets should be fine, bar years of freak mutations and then possible human to animal transfer.
If its GoF made, then perhaps they made it capable of such. Yet no evidence of pets catching or dying OF, OR WITH Covid-19 has been shown, beyond use of FAKE PCR to claim a pet, or Larry the LLama is Covid +ve and then whack him with a swat team on live TV. so scare people
Besides that incident, they did however Cull 17 Million Mink, to give impression of variants before such were mentioned in human terms. Notice they did not clean up the spilt Mink carcasses anywhere they fell off trucks. So clearly they knew it was BS and just a ruse for later possible stories of outbreaks they could blame on Covid, or other weird illnesses from jab side effects.
They also ran Black Plague, Hog Fever, and other endless scare stories and are now culling pigs, sheep and cows and birds using fake PCR to claim infections, just to destroy the food supply, all based on the equivalent of Fergusons BSE modelling (with pre bought Pyre wood for Cow burnings by the MoD) and a swap that can find any claimed virus even unopened and not shoved up Faustis Pinocchio holes.
Oh don't forget they also did that 12 Monkeys scare, where a truck of lab monkeys crashed off a highway and a lady got bitten after thinking it was Gizmo not Stripe in the cage. They even pulled that stunt in the exact area that the 12 Monkeys Film was made just for shits and conspiracy giggles. Or maybe they did already time travel back and that was the MonkeyPox farce prior to releasing the KRAKEN ME UP now!!
2) They plan to carry on killing our pets the usual way, with the old pet vaccines that none of them need and the additional Covid mRNA Shots for cats dogs and zoo animals.
Sadly we have already seen many Zoo animals lost to the covid shots and now they want self amplifying mRNA shots in all livestock.
Question is, can (sa)mRNA carry the full covid jab payload into a human host from contaminated meat, given that the animal will have learned to make the SPIKE and the SPIKE, is a PRION and PRIONS are notoriously hard to denature, even via autoclave, absent HypoChlorous Acid (HOCl) (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27685252/ which I doubt is all that food friendly, even if a natural human body cell product?
Then there is option 3 for pets.
3) They plan to cull our livestock as food, then us as their livestock and possible food, then re-wild the planet as their own personal Eden absent poor people, and they will allow our pets to roam and evolve, so they can hunt them, along with our kids, without fake anti-hunting movements or any legal risks of normalised pedovore behaviours bothering them.
Personally I opt for 2 and 3 and reckon 1 is a scam, to achieve the latter two later on.
Dear Igor,
There is no such thing as "the belief in virus denial." It is like saying that "I believe in fairy dust denial." If unicorns exist, please show me one. If viruses exist, are contagious, and pathogenic, please show me. Lanka is still pledging 100,000 euro to anyone who can prove measles virus exists.
And also:
WE GUARANTEE: 1,5 million € for a virologist who presents scientific proof of the existence of a corona virus, including documented control experiments of all steps taken in the proof. https://samueleckert.net/isolate-truth-fund/
No indication that it has been claimed yet.
How does this study I found in 2 minutes fail to fulfill your requirements:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4734543/
Wow Doc,
That paper "Ebola Virus RNA Stability in Human Blood and Urine in West Africa’s Environmental Conditions" does NOT:
(1) define the genetic structure of Ebola "virus"
(2) show that Ebola "virus" is transmissible
(3) show that Ebola "virus" causes any disease
(4) present ANY methodology for purification and proof of the existence of Ebola "virus"
Instead the authors declared that: "We measured EBOV RNA stability in blood and urine samples from 7 case-patients with laboratory-confirmed Ebola."
So someone ELSE told them that 7 people had "Ebola" - they fail to say if the people were sick. Did they mean "lab confirmed" illness or presence of virus?
We do not know the methodology by which the "lab" confirmed Ebola. And to show parallels with the "polio" studies of Flexner in 1909, and 1912, "finding" a "virus" does NOT prove causation or pathology. Flexner injected matter into the skulls of monkeys and then "found virus" in the throats and spinal column of the animals. But the "virus" was not present BEFORE the brain surgery. That is the whole point. It is not enough to "find virus". One also needs to show pathology.
Yesterday, I cut myself shaving. But the scab on the outside of my skin is NOT from an invading exogenous virus. It is a natural (endogenous) process which occurs in response to a need; and a regular part of the healing process.
The point I am trying to illustrate is that there have been a lot of papers where virus samples were taking from infected individuals and then sequenced, but the unspecified burden of proof your side wants is so high none of them will ever work and simultaneously they will not define what they actually need.
This is why the debathe is meaningless until you can define exactly what needs to be done to settle the debate and epthetics like "then why haven't they isolated a virus from someone who was infected" are empty rhetoric.
Dear AMD,
This is NOT a debate. Rather it is merely simple observation about the scientific method of proof (i.e., falsifiability).
The terms, methods, and standards of proof have been established within the "scientific" field. These come from Koch, Bradford Hill, and Enders.
Prof. Lanka (the virologist) has demonstrated how the standard method of virology (via Enders) does not prove viruses exist; and does not purify any pathogen. And no one is satisfying Koch's postulates with their "viruses".
When you claim that there are "infected individuals" either you presume there is an exogenous pathogen that entered their body, or you mean "sick person."
I would not agree that the phrase: "then why haven't they isolated a virus from someone who was infected" is an epithetic. But what is the meaning of "isolated"? Do you mean "purified"?
(The complaint of Kaufman, Cowan, and Lanka is that modern virology uses the term "isolate(d)" in their papers, but their process of "isolation" mixes tissues and cells from two or three animals, and a host of exogenous chemicals. Thus, virology proclaims isolation, without showing anything unique or distinct.)
And what is the meaning of your use of the word "infected"?
In the 1700s and 1800s, the term "infected" was applied in the case of inoculation - that is, when some pus and or other matter was placed inside the blood or open wound of a patient. Hence the notion of being "infected" was evident.
As well, infection was manifest as pustules. A person with pustules clearly had some process going on under their skin.
In that context, infect/infected was distinct from contagion/contagious. But more often, in the present, the term "infected" implies the notion of an external pathogen which is purportedly contagious. Thus infection implies "virus." But rhetoric does not prove the existence of a "virus."
Well DOC, why don't you present them the newly found paper and claim your 1.5 million? It's easy money.
Thank you for this reply. I know this was nearly two years ago, but I enjoy the clarity of your response. Do you by chance write for Substack or share your information somewhere?
Dear Cheri Murray, so nice to hear from you. I do not have a substack. As I mentioned, I have spent the last couple of years reading and editing (and annotating) the works of Jenner (1798; 1799; 1800) and White (1885). I am working on a book to explain the genealogy of the present in re virology, vaccinology, and germ theory. I am tracing the history of arguments and evidence about inoculation/vaccination on smallpox. My idea is that once people see that the root of the tree is poison, they will avoid the "fruit of the poisonous tree" (lol).
I have articles on Vaxxter. I might complete another about the famous picture of two boys (so-called vaxxed vs unvaxxed, circa 1902). I also am writing a piece about invaccinated syphilis. In Jan 2021, a Canadian author (McGill Univ) complained that anti-Covid vax was parallel to anti smallpox vax, in that there are lies now about the Covid-vax causing harms, illness and death, and there were LIES then (complaints can so-called vaccination caused death, injury, and syphilis). See https://mjm.mcgill.ca/article/view/770/591
Of course BOTH complaints - generations apart - are and were accurate. I seek to highlight how the anti-vax movement has been ever present, and that the anti-anti-vax PR campaigns started in 1799, and have never stopped.
Best
I am not associated with the site offering the reward, but besides this being a paper on Ebola, not coronavirus, I think Kerry Mullis would have an issue with this statement from the study: "Real-time reverse transcription PCR (rRT-PCR) has become the standard diagnostic tool for patients infected by Ebola virus (EBOV) (1,2)." PCR is not to be used for diagnosis. The paper does not describe the identification of Ebola, it assumes it is there based on PCR.
John Rappoport has looked into Ebola and suggests that there are a number of other causes for the symptoms described as Ebola. I have not looked into Ebola in particular, but for now I am relying on other researchers who have looked at more papers than I have and have yet to find one that describes the purification and genomic sequencing of any virus as a whole entity, rather than piecing it together from fragments. If there is such a paper, I am certainly interested in seeing it, as the 'no virus' folks either missed it or have misinterpreted it.
The fact you believe this "study" proves anything, proves you are still under the hypnotic spell of the Allopathic Germ crowd that "educated" you.
I am one. And my 15 years of research on vaccines and viruses was not colored by Main Stream Medical Propaganda. I'll be just fine "believing" there is no such thing as a "Viral Pathogen" that goes around looking to attack healthy cells. Cheers!
Hear hear!
"Overall, the belief in virus denial is not really a big societal problem, unlike, say, belief that covid vaccine is safe and effective."
this highlights that fact that humanity gets into trouble when any idea is forced into belief through a power structure. almost all beliefs would be acceptable and innocuous if people were truly to accept or not accept them.
Dr Andrew Kaufman confronts Dr Judy Mikovits on "virus isolation"....hilarity ensues...https://brandnewtube.com/watch/andrew-kaufman-destroys-judy-mikovits-on-her-theory-on-viruses_rXj6AHBtEPhHYy1.html
OMGosh this is awesome. Notice that people get really mad when the truth is spoken? This is amazing. Dr Kaufman is a real hero. The pressure to not speak the obvious truth that everyone believes, is huge.
it is quite revealing when they start using a strawman or a red herring for a rebuttal ....hee
We need to trounce their arguments - every one. Are you sharing good interviews like from Dr Thomas Cowan, Andrew Kaufman, etc? We need to share the shit out of good information. This one shows Andrew Kaufman taking on Judy Mikovits. Cognitive dissonance goes across educational credentials and titles. https://brandnewtube.com/watch/andrew-kaufman-destroys-judy-mikovits-on-her-theory-on-viruses_rXj6AHBtEPhHYy1.html
Hi Ms Ward, I'm here a month later just letting you
know the above has been removed. PS. I like your
spirit :-))
yes indeed...thanks for sharing...carry on Ms. Ward
I'm another simple guy who knows that I will not be able to resolve this issue. I do not want to exclude any skeptics from the Narrative critics, especially since there is nothing inherently offensive about not believing in viruses. Regarding the need for prompt treatment, I don't believe anyone would really object to that.
Dear Stephen Berman,
Skeptics of vaccinology started in the 1700s. And they were so successful that the petro-chemical / pharmaceutical industry could not take over until it used mass media, and took over medical schools and state houses to push poison over health. I call it a virus.
The virus is part of the narrative.
If there is no virus, there's no need for a vaccine.
Without the virus, the emperor is naked.
Without the virus there's no need for vaxines, without
"consequences" of vaxxines there are less sick people
to treat with medications and less profit.
Virus and pandemic skeptics tend to eschew being prepared for covid, so this puts them at risk.
There is risk in their camp and also in the vax-sheeple camp.
Dear Tom Hogan,
What? I am always focused on health. There is no virus of which I need to worry - rather nutrition. No masks, no "hand sanitizer", no eschewing hugs. No illness in my family. We are vax free.
Yes I have friends on both sides. Totally unprepared when they got sick
We are a minority, I fear, who look at and carefully evaluate theories.
I take it that you and your friends never got sick with flu before? And suddenly, you all started getting sick, after COVID showed up in the picture?
Know anyone that died of COVID? I don't really know, but I have heard about people killed in the hospital, with "protocols" and deadly medications (Remdesivir).
Remdesivir doesn't cause pulmonary embolisms, heart attacks, or ARDS. For people with covid, these are likely due to covid.
Why can't you face facts? Is it incovenient for your writing business?
COVID doesn't cause heart attacks. I've seen a recent study on this very topic.
It seems that COVID is the mystery disease, it causes anything you can think of.
There are no other diseases in the world.. it's all COVID.
😂
Lol
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/jce.14479
We cannot trust the data. Covid hasn't even been isolated so the rest of the case is moot. Nobody is even finding out if covid has been isolated. It's just assumed. Makes everyone ultra gullible. The covid farce has shown just how mindless the general population is. I mean by about 99%. Worrisome.
Covid hasn't been isolated. Can you show that it has because all the facts I've seen say it hasn't. Funny how this fundamental claim is totally ignored. Nobody seems ask. And then everyone fights about things that are based on a fraud.
And the reply to this of course is "the virus debunkers refuse to define what "being isolated" means or how that could be done with existing technology so this argument can be maintained indefinitely."
There is an aspect of covid that can cause very low oxygen saturation around day 10 for some ppl not all. I was trying to keep us all out of the hospital for the reasons you state.
If covid progresses, low O2 sat can occur. Mostly because of an incompetent immune response causing inflammation. What is mostly responsible for incompetent immune response? Vitamin D deficiency, which is very common in the winter in the elderly.
Sick how? With a flu?
There is an aspect that it undermines your efforts to find sequences and say patents that might have been given in advance of Covid coming on the scene. Some of this stuff is smoking gun..
Dr David Martin | Covid Terrorism, Murder, and Racketeering
https://drtrozzi.org/2022/05/28/dr-david-martin-covid-terrorism-murder-and-racketeering/
Dr. D Martin court cases and C-19 bio-weapons documents (patents, etc.) since 1999:
www.Prosecutenow.com
Have you seen his associations and who subsidizes him? https://issuu.com/pooanon/docs/who_is_david_e._martin
I don't care who subsidizes him. I don't even know him, but I've been able to access the patents (officially available) and scientific publications that I needed for my own research thanks to his research. I do my own research!!!
People should not become believers, they should be doing their own homework, especially after the 2020 attack.
I get it but we do have to care how they are funded. David Martin is a patent's lawyer who probably has a vaccine to be released in the future and that may be his motive. His logo is also questionable as it looks very freemasonry. The powers do put out propaganda actors and they're very, very, good. After all, they are publicly funded in black ops money.
That's what you noticed on his website. Now the best thing to do to help the community is to start validating those hypotheses.
You may end up with very interesting findings.
Example: When I suspected that the Vatican was no longer catholic back in the 80s, I started researching them until I had a solid proof that it was run by the Italian P2 Freemasonic lodge. This is a fact now, not a hypothesis...
If you're a truth believer, be ready to work hard to untangle the fake from the real!!
The info on this link is from his own website. Lol. So how much research have you actually done.
His company has as clients Johnson and Johnson and Pfizer and that’s just the start.
Very insulting for you to presume the rest of us aren’t also doing ‘our own homework.’
The patents that show that Pfizer was producing bio-weapons since 1999 are available.
I can give you the reference if you want.
That's the information that I need. I don't care about Pfizer's relationships with anybody.
I care about the facts happening in the labs. I am not a political scientist. I gather all patents, peer reviewed papers and make my own decision...
Do you believe that in order to cite a publication in your own scientific research you have to agree with the beliefs of the author? If that's the case you'll never cite any other author in your publications!!!
I'm pretty sure the patents are for the spike protein, which has been injected into people via 'safe and effective vaccines'.
The virus was needed as boogie man, to scare people into taking the deadly shots.
Is plain and simple.
Yeah, spike protein of non existing virus.
If it was patented, it's not in a real virus. You cannot patent nature.
The spike protein is in the 'vaccines'.
It isn't in the 'vaccines' but the mRNA to 'transfect the cell' wrapped in hydrogel laced with nanoparticles is sold as instructing the cells to synthesis the 's-protein. Which is also supposed to be the binding compenent of an in silico virus or computer generated definition..
The s-protein is in my opinion a key GoF asset for instruments of manipulation on a par with the financial system.
What exactly is it? How is it determined to being found? Is it found in non injected people? In novax no covid people?
No one looks or even asked because the know it is what they are told by the wizard in the sealed booth pulling levers.
You cant patent nature -that's illegal, and that making viruses is biowarfare - also illegal. But the psyop of making up virus definitions under defence to use as hybrid warfare is neither of those but needed legal protections and leveraging of copyright?
The hacking hijacking violator I see is an eGoF - manipulative deceit set in nocebo.
And WHO told you you were naked/defenceless/ susceptible/weak/targeted etc?
Exactly.
the "belief in a virus" is a HUGE problem...why? well because the medical mafia cartel depends on the public believing in the invisible "viruses" so they will always require big pharma's pills and vaccines to kill the "virus" AND they can continue the "virus pandemic scam" forever...as they have been doing since the polio days...and even before then...heres a short video with Dr.s Cowan and Kaufman presenting five questions for the "virus scientists"...will they reply? probably not...https://www.bitchute.com/video/rekrHZ52IKZy/
Well, that's true. The idea that the jabs are safe is much more dangerous. But the Midwestern Doctor's point that some people didn't look for treatment because they assumed Covid didn't really exist or was a walk in the park is a very good point. It is a gain of function virus deliberately created to do damage - maybe not deliberately released, moot point there - and it is a Very Nasty Thing. Less so as Omicron. Still to be taken seriously. I know someone who got it recently, low Vit D, was very knocked out by it. Had Delta, got jabbed due to pressure re flying, maybe that made it worse. But still, not a walk in the park for all.
Everyone I know who chooses to ignore viruses takes extremely good care of themselves in an almost religious way. I can assure you that while to many we appear ignorant to "science" we are not ignorant to good health. I'm yet to come across a virus denier whose had anything more than a runny nose in the last two years. Also, I might add that ,if I am wrong and contagious viruses are a thing; if this is man made gain of function then it was most definitely intentionally released, and also, its a bit shit.
I agree on the point that us "deniers" are more health conscious than most. But, we are not saying a lab cannot make toxic products that can cause illness. "Spike proteins and prions" can be bought online. They can cause illness. This is no proof that there is a SARS-COV2 Virus that is the basic cause of these many illnesses that have common symptoms.
Absolutely we do (look after our health and wellbeing) hence we also look at the whole issue trough wide lenses as well.
Dear Sandra Barwick,
Treatment? For cold, flu, pneumonia? The basics are: water, IV vitamin C (read Klenner 1949), selenium (Chen et al 1980; Chen 2021), zinc, magnesium (glycinate or taurine), D3 (Chris Knobbe), chromium (Chris Barr), and copper (Morley Robbins). (Maybe vitamins A and E).
What treatment? That which came from Zelenko (mainly quercetin and zinc)? How about that from the Chinese practitioners using IV vitamin C? Or do you advocate the Remdesivir kidney failure special?
Nearly everyone, at one time in the life, gets the sniffles. But pneumonia is the leading cause of death for people over 85. That speaks to toxic accumulation, not "viral contagion."
"Gain of function" research can be real, but the possibility, of foreign proteins (aka virions or virus like particles) entering your nose, mouth, eyes, or other orifices, and causing illness, is ZERO.
Remember the first "polio" studies only "proved" contagion after injecting monkeys in their brains. See Flexner 1909. Pasteur did the same with rabbits and dogs; he "proved" the existence of rabies by injecting material in the brains of animals.
Back to that 1/10th of 1 percent of Americans, who were obese, on multiple Rx drugs, and had diabetes, high blood pressure, heart and or kidney disease ... of course they got ill. They were already ill. Then the iatrogenesis pushed them over.
But to reiterate, there is NO omicron - because there is no "SARS-1, SARS-Cov-2, no "delta strain", nor any other exogenous, contagious virus. But if I failed to take my supplements ... after a while, I would get sick too. Not from the fairy dust nor a unicorn, but due to a lack of nutrition. Have you read about the works of Gerson, William Kelley, Gary Null, and others who heal with food, and nutrition?
Best
Dear Sandra if it was not deliberately released they were awfully
well prepared for it, having a patent for vaxines/spike protein taken out few years before.
Hi Marta, I believe that the size of the highly organised/prepared response is the very thing that has led to most actually believing that this thing is real. I honestly believe that anyone that has not watched an ounce of TV or listened to an ounce of radio of opened a single newspaper (basically done all they can to shield themselves from brainwashing) would not have noticed anything out of the ordinary with regards to personal illness in 2020. Anything that was OOTO could be put down to 5G, stress etc. This is a disease of the mind. People have always had weird OOTO periods of detox in their lives, myself in 2001 when I was laid up for two weeks with no taste or smell, but it was not covid. Now, if someone has this experience its deffo covid. No, its not covid. I do not believe that many actually understand just how fraudulent the testing is to this very day
Oh, I absolutely agree with everything you said. And you are right too in regards to testing. Don't enjoy calling people stoopid but what else? If presented (they don't accepted anything but "official authority's" statements, don't you know!) with contradicting of those, nothing gets through. There is one thing: through all that I've been watching msm
here (Oz) checking every day what crap are they spewing, to make sure
I'm aware what most population is "consuming". Reckon you should be aware what the enemy's doing. LOL
Well credit to you for being able to stomach it. I can't. But I know what they are saying by listening to the crazy that those all around are spewing. I have half my family in Oz. They just seem to love the coolaid. Its very painful, we don't talk anymore, to be honest I'm avoiding them as much as they are avoiding me.
You should be glad we have the patience to persist with you Igor.
One day you will actually research the impact of electro-magnetic radiation and maybe recognise that if there is no virus, no vaccine or mandates thereof is necessary.
https://francesleader.substack.com/p/there-is-no-virus
heres a short video with Drs. Cowan and Kaufman presenting the "virus" believers with five questions...will they reply? I doubt it....https://www.bitchute.com/video/rekrHZ52IKZy/
I gently try and prod you as well Igor. One day may you move.
100 % Agree!!!!!
Not telling the whole truth IS a problem. It's a huge problem. Why do you let it go? Why "be gentle"? Just say your truth and what you think and we'll answer.
I believe it’s important to note that if there is or isn’t a microbe isn’t as important to understand that deaths from every so-called infectious disease declined by massive amounts before any vaccine or significant medical intervention. This began in the late 1800s into the mid-1900s. Measles deaths were down 98% to almost 100%. Whooping cough deaths were down 92% to 100%. Scarlet fever deaths (a bigger killer than the previously mentioned two) were down 100% without a vaccine and well before penicillin was being used. Flu/pneumonia deaths were down 90% before vaccination began in the 1970s. Yet, after 40 years of vaccination, the death rate remains the same as when it started. Smallpox persisted and killed many for 70+ years after a vaccine was available and only declined in deaths during the same time frame. Smallpox went from killing 1 in 5 to a near zero fatality rate often being confused with chickenpox.
Why? The terrain (to use that term) changed radically across societies and individuals. Sanitation, nutritious non-rotting food, labor/child labor laws, electricity, plumbing, transportation, dreadful pollution, etc., were what made the difference. So by the 1950s, infectious diseases were not considered much of a problem. Yet, today this – the greatest health revolution in human history – remains largely forgotten and replaced with the idea of medical intervention to solve all our problems while mostly ignoring the true nature of disease – the health of ourselves and societies.
Please check out all the charts with references that show the massive declines in deaths from diseases before vaccinations.https://dissolvingillusions.com/graphs-images
I really appreciate the work you have done on this issue.
It isn't clear to me who the "vocal minority" of "bad faith" actors that you aim to discredit in this piece are. When you say, "by promoting an extremist version of terrain theory, it is poisoning the well for the important parts of terrain theory to enter the discussion", who are you referring to exactly?
It would seem that no one in particular is named as to not cause strife. I consider this to be a gracious move. But I’ll name them no problem, given I’m no one so I should offend too many egos. The Baileys, Cowan, Kaufman, and there are a handful of supporting cast and actors, but the best arguments offered have been in “virus mania“, and personally I have suggested that when it comes to the “AIDS“ issue, Robert F Kennedy Junior does a fantastic job in “the real Anthony Fauci“, discussing the different ways to look at this issue that have been brought up by other experts in the field, and I think he gives the virus mania people fair credit well not being insulting, but provides a better hypothesis from people such as Peter Duesberg and Montagnier. Perhaps there’s a synergistic element as yet unidentified. This could also go for why certain people are susceptible to “Covid-19” and it’s worst presentation. Again this is something I’ve been arguing early, it makes sense to try to identify what makes certain people susceptible for the worst outcomes instead of trying to find one “silver bullet” “solution” that’s applicable to all people. But that rabbit hole of course takes us to the digital IDs and the universal basic income and programmable money, on and on and on.
That said, the way that Fauci and his assorted minions seem to have oriented the entire field, specifically around the “AIDS” model, is eerily reminiscent of exactly the way that the SARScov-2 hysteria was generated, with testing becoming the mainstay and driving force behind continually pumping money back into the infrastructure that maintains the ever present sense of “danger”, that keeps the emergency alive as it were. This is best summed up of course by suggesting that if there was a deadly pandemic happening, we shouldn’t need to test to find it, we should just count the dead bodies piling up in the hallway. But that doesn’t go very far to promote the “safetyism” angle, and the ideology that’s tied up in all of this, especially the one that comes directly from the WHO itself, suggesting “none of us are safe unless we’re all safe…”.
This of course bridges the gap between the “pandemic” and the reset agenda that ties together activist camps and technology companies, all working to end the “existential” threats that have channeled the all into supporting the effort, and is just enough to provide the cognitive dissonance required to deny the reality of the damages we see happening all around us, because, well, we have to do SOMETHING about “climate change” and “capitalism” and “racism” aka “right wing extremism” aka “anti authoritarianism” if we wish to “save the Planet”, don’t we? All the “inequality”.
I’m doing my best as a layman and a desperate new writer to try and connect some of those dots for people as I think are “Ideology”, and dogma driven, and that’s the best way to understand why all of this happening, but it’s outside of the preview of an average citizen who is too busy to consider all these different elements, but it’s something I personally have been thinking about for years, even pre Covid.
My humble two cents.
If the hat fits, wear it.
your book has been quite an education! Thanks to you and Dr. Humphries. It should be required reading for all medical professionals.
The question is: has the existence of any of the alleged microbes that are alleged to be the cause of these allegedly infectious diseases ever been definitively proven to exist? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, especially when there’s so much circumstantial evidence apparently/arguably refuting the germ theory and viral causes?
Adding to the suspicions are the massive financial conflicts of interest that have existed from the very beginning, especially from Flexner/Rockefeller onward in the early 20th century, that have pushed the dominant theory, against widespread opposition/skepticism, even amongst many doctors and scientists of their time, all but gaining both an ideological and medical monopoly by sheer political and economic power as opposed to the scientific merits.
The class interests are obvious, and not just because drugs and vaccines have been and continue to be extremely profitable, but also with regard to social control of the population by both debilitating and weakening people with toxic medications as well with all the other known and pervasive environmental toxins (in food, water, air, etc.) making them/us much less likely and able to resist and revolt against specific injustices and the overall unjust social order. There is also the added ruling class benefit of deflecting attention away from the true causes of disease, most, if not all, are easily preventable (and affordable) with the same political/public health solutions you mentioned which worked miracles in the past, thus saving themselves from blame, since they crafted the policies and created the very conditions they refuse to correct because, as I mentioned, they’ve gotten very rich from them and it isn’t in their interests to have a healthy, robust population of who they (rightly) view potential gravediggers (Marx’s phrase referring to the revolutionary proletariat).
(The weaponization of virology and “pandemics” for the purposes of class war has never been more apparent than during the last few years with regard to the obvious ways in which “covid” has been, at the very least, exploited for *pre-planned*, and extremely nefarious, political purposes, which, even more frighteningly, seems to have been (and continues to be) coordinated globally by the transnational ruling class which is collectively in control of nearly every government, every international organization, all major banks and corporations including the media, and all nominally public/non profit institutions on Earth, and are more or less conspiring to depopulate the planet and enslave the few remaining (a more easily manageable number) survivors of the cull, which is being/will be (if we don’t stop them) accomplished via injections, engineered food and energy shortages, among other insidious methods.)
All of the above, which includes your brilliant work of accumulation the historical data and creating those crystal clear graphs, as well as the lack of any convincing response/adequate refutation by anyone anywhere to the criticisms of the modern methods of virology and alleged evidence of any virus via the (in my eyes) fraudulent methods of “isolation”, sequencing, and testing, leads me to me to believe that the scales are tipped heavily in the favor of terrain theory.
For many trained (indoctrinated) in the modern medical model, it’s methods and ideologies, such as the author of this blog, questioning the foundational paradigms of everything they were taught and from which they viewed and treated their patients and their health problems throughout their entire careers was/is flatly false is perhaps to painful and admission for many reasons.
The basic issue is that it's impossible to establish anything with 100% certainty, but it has been shown to 99.9% so the question becomes whether the 99.9% is an extraordinary claim or the 0.01% is an extraordinary claim to prove.
Dear AMD,
I guess that you did not study or work in statistics either? What is said phenomenon that is 99.9% certain?
impossible to establish ANYTHING with 100% certainty? Hmm, let me try. If you have two dice, each numbered 1-6 (one number on each side). If you roll them, the resultant sum will be an integer, from 2-12. EVERY TIME!!!
Let me offer another one. If you jump into an active volcano, you will die ... EVERY TIME.
Inject a baby (or an adult) with 10,000 vaccines, at one time (like Paul Offit said can be done without harm to the child, see Pediatrics 2002; 109: 124-129), the baby (or MD) will DIE. (I am guessing that Offit would say that such an outcome would be extraordinary).
I'll have to look that Paul Offit comment up. I didn't realize he put it in writing in the journal Pediatrics! Thanks!
What we can be certain about is vaccines have claimed they solved the "infectious disease" problem and that they are virtually magic no matter what is in them. Their push to brainwash the entire planet that vaccines are "safe and effective" no matter what is in them is simply a stunning marketing success putting Coke branding to shame. And the real stunner is they were never really needed with mortality rates dropping by 90-100% for all "infectious diseases" before vaccines or even antibiotics were available. But through decades of brilliant marketing they have tricked most.
Please watch my short video that talks about this here: https://youtu.be/kQivkd4uDOk
Have a good day!
Dr Bystrianyk thank you, I remember watching it
sometime last year, clear presentation of the facts
I watched it again, still impresses.
Just to let you know I'm not a doctor. Suzanne is the doctor. Thanks! Have a great day!
I just found your video today. Thank you! I very much appreciate the articles and references provided in it and pulling those. I've shared the video with several friends. I am pulling them for when I talk with my primary doctor, and others. Excellent video.
Is there any chance you could email me a copy of that article? I want to cite it in the piece I just wrote today.
Doc,
Just write me - biko97jcj (at) hot mail (dot) com.
Also, people can find many peer-reviewed articles in the sciences and medicine (by entering the doi number) at sci-hub.se
The most important debate of all humanity is happening right here on substack! Dr Jones is based. I've been inspired to write about him after reading his informative comments. Keep up the good work brother! The world is awakening.
https://boostershots.substack.com/p/dr-jones-is-based
Thank you for the science hub reference. My browser said your link doesn't go anywhere but I searched and found it; this is a helpful tool.
"Addressing Parents’ Concerns: Do Multiple Vaccines Overwhelm or Weaken the Infant’s Immune System?" Pediatrics, January 1, 2002, p. 126.
"...each infant would have the theoretical capacity to respond to about 10 000 vaccines at any one time... Of course, most vaccines contain far fewer than 100 antigens... so the estimated number of vaccines to which a child could respond is conservative."
Any chance you could email me a copy of that article? I would like to cite it in the piece I just wrote.
Parachutes. The number needed to treat approaches one, but there's no guarantee except that some parachutes will fail. p=0.001
Even if you jump into a volcano, someone might pull you out before you die. p =0.000001
Had to post this: https://magnifymind.com/chances-surviving-if-fall-into-volcano/
I think there are one or two falls from height without the aid of a parachute that have not resulted in death as well.
Hah, at least 8 documented cases. I remembered reading of one from WWII and see there are three from that time period.
https://www.statista.com/chart/19708/known-occasions-where-people-survived-falls/
Dear Tom Hogan,
Touche (lol).
You’re purposely simplifying a complex argument to make it sound silly.
Clearly the virus or not debate is more complex than rolling a paid of dice or jumping into a volcano, but you already know that.
For anyone who hasn’t read it, Mattias Desmit’s book “The Psychology of Totalitarianism” goes through the argument very well. It’s a must read IMO
Dear Andrew,
I was not simplifying the "virus or not" debate (sic). I was addressing the comments of our host, who, for some reason announced that there are NO certainties - ever. I offered a short list of counterfactuals as to falsify his claims.
That aside, the "virus" debate is NOT complex. The commonplace and medical definitions of the term "virus" have changed. In the 1800s, virus was pus. Everyone saw it. After Europeans discovered bacteria, when they saw illness, and could not find "bacteria", they declared that ever smaller things (so-called microbes) caused disease (i.e., virus).
Thus with a stroke of a pen, the term "virus" (the Anglicized term for the Latin variola) was changed from meaning the "effect of disease", to mean "illness-causing agent". Despite the work of Flexner, he and his partners never proved that "polio virus" entered the body, via mouth or nose, and caused paralysis. (And they admitted such, see Flexner 1912, Journal of the American Medical Association October 12 - but for years they could paralyze and kill monkeys by injecting matter directly into the skulls of monkeys). And monsters like Fauci want us to "trust the science"!?
Enders never proved that exogenous viruses existed or caused measles illness (see his paper, co-authored with Peebles, from 1954). Montagnier admitted that he never even saw an HIV. (In the interview with Brent Leung, his quote is: "We never purified").
I could go on ... let me know, what you want to know.
Best
It was not a slight, just an observation. I was suggesting that such a complex conversation could not be extrapolated into some combination of dice rolls. The reasons for which you’ve decided a couple, and I’m well aware of them. This does not disprove the existence of viruses, it’s just not that simple. You can take that however you want, thank you for your reply.
Lets skip the technical virus isolation debate as there is an other way to get to the truth.
100% of the attempts to let people infect each other with any so called contagious disease failed. There is no proof for any disease to be transmissible or contagion.
Still believe someone can give you the flu?
Experiments Upon Volunteers to Determine the Cause and Mode of Spread of Influenza, Boston, November and December, 1918 - M. J. Rosenau
https://www.gjenvick.com/Influenza/TheRosenauExperiment-1918-1919.html
https://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/idx/f/flu/3750flu.0016.573/11/--experiments-upon-volunteers-to-determine-the-cause-and-mode page 21 Results
The 1918 contagion experiment, scroll down to epidemiological studies
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2862332/
*Biological warfare _ Man made viruses 2013
Very informative interview from a few years back with Aajonus Vonderplanitz.
Detailing a somewhat alternative view of how viruses are created and spread.
Swine flu / Hiv-Aids / Smallpox. Are these viruses a natural phenomena or man made?
https://www.bitchute.com/video/22eJyLANDKEZ/
Jeff Green - Presentation on the True Nature of Viruses
Why 'VIRUSES' ARE NOT CONTAGIOUS https://www.bitchute.com/video/9N3JhsnbloBA/ https://virusesarenotcontagious.com/
https://www.drrobertyoung.com/post/what-do-so-called-viruses-like-hiv-cov-19-have-in-common-with-exosomes.
Exosome Theory vs Virus Theory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yRSKLs2OrY
'Viruses' are not contagious so we should not call them viruses, but exosomes.
'Viral viruses' only exist as an idea, just like ghosts and unicorns.
Again you’re addressing a complex question with simplistic answers.
This would be the “dunning Kruger” part of the article. I’m not saying that to offend anyone I’m just saying it because it’s true. I also don’t blame you, people want easy answers to complicated situations. But understand you’re arguing the flipside of the coin only. If you truly believe that viruses don’t exist that is your singular focus, and to you it’s the lunch pin that makes the argument so desirable, hence you throw out everything else that is said in this fantastic article.
Here’s the problem I find with the “there is no virus“ crowd, and it’s very similar to the flat earth people, although the flat earthers tend to attract a more silly conspiratorial crowd, granted,
Your turn to throw out the baby with the bathwater. Malone, McCullough, anyone who is simply trying to reach a broader audience immediately becomes “controlled opposition”, and people think there’s some grander conspiracy. I mean honestly, you really have to talk to you? We’re talking about decades and decades of science in vaccinology, and you’re suggesting that they’re all just too dumb to know that there’s no such thing? I will freely admit that if you walk into a situation with bad questions and preconceived assumptions, you’re going to walk out with something that was tainted at the start, but surely there must be SOME honest researchers?
If some things are suspect, this view tends to argue everything is suspect. How do you trust anyone or anything, when you believe that everything is so corrupt that everyone must be a giant liar if they don’t simply accept your premise? Conversation is out the window. Try rereading the article, this time with an open mind.
No offense intended.
No, I made it really simple; no contagion/infection/transmission -> no 'virus'
"We’re talking about decades and decades of science in vaccinology, and you’re suggesting that they’re all just too dumb to know that there’s no such thing?"
Centuries even and I'm not only suggesting it, I know it to be 100% true. That is the result of analyzing the facts; contagion never happened in any experiment for any 'contagious' disease. Can you draw any other conclusion then there can't be any virusparticle transmitting disease?
It IS that simple.
The honest current researchers are: Stefan Lanka, Tom Cowan, Amandha Vollmer, Andrew Kaufman, Sam+Mark Bailey, Jeff Green, Dr Robert Young, Mike Yeadon (has recently seen the light) and many more.
Exposing the Contagion Myth:
https://lordchewy.medium.com/exposing-the-contagion-myth-bf47cf0e3aee
You have made it simple. You say "There is no proof for any disease to be transmissible or contagion", you imply every anecdote is caused by something else, every laboratory result is falsified or mistaken.
You fail to realise that people who ACTUALLY work with viruses and other infectious agents learn how they behave. They form hypothesis and then study further. Sometimes they try to prove their hypothesis, sometimes they try to disprove it. Most of their tests require viruses to behave like viruses as a baseline. So when you are studying how something infects you use the known method of infection (that you deny exists) as a baseline. When you want to study the results of an infection you infect (that you say is impossible) your test subjects to study the characteristics of the infection. Real salaried workers (and some unpaid amateurs) will infect animals and plants, knowing that it works like the virus hypothesis.
At any rate I urge you to do a search on PubMed with the search term "caged airborne infection" there is a link below. You can limit the date range to 2018 so the covid papers don't confuse you. If you just look at the titles of the papers you will see that MANAGED INFECTION IS ROUTINE. It is not a hypothesis, it is a practical process and tool of the trade. Sure I believe bad actors who have selected the few rare papers where infection was not observed, but I only need one repeatable experiment to show that it does work. Well the repeatability is SO COMMON that people use it for regular research.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=caged+airborne+infection&filter=years.1930-2018
The "no virus" team is insisting nail-guns do not exist because hammers exist. It is absurd, because we know there is more than one way to cause disease, sometimes it is a virus even if YOU don't fully understand how that works.
Once you have seen that your statement is no longer 100% true you should apologise and educate your peers at full speed because you have been one of the useful idiots that the pharmaceutical industry has been using to divide the health freedom movement.
“Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right. Here I am stuck in the middle with you”
I find this whole no virus argument exhausting! “There are no viruses” my 61 yo friend on the right said. Me : “Then why did our moms send us to chicken pox parties n we got chicken pox immediately after” friend : “well it’s just a regular cold” me “isn’t a cold a virus?” Same friend who almost lost her 72yo husband because it was just a cold and didn’t treat aggressively. She was lucky I was prepared. I had friends on the frontline in ICUS talking about patients who were talking/alert with O2 sats in 60s in March 2020 so I knew this wasn’t just a cold or flu. Doctors who came out of retirement to assist said they had never seen patient symptoms like this before. just know to take it seriously n not trust pharma or government. Then I have “left” friends who still worship Fauci n the vax even though they have had Covid now for the second time. I help them out too when needed. This has been the most genius psychological operation I have ever seen! I don’t trust anyone on social media, no one. I believe at this moment (and I’m open to changing my mind) the “virus” and V is more of an incapacitating BW like Lyme. You will be too tired n sick or too tired n sick taking care of your sick family that you won’t be able to push back on anything. Unless ur too weak or get a hot lot n taken out quickly not to mention the slow kill mechanism of all this. Amyloids, cancer, prions incoming. Arguing about if viruses are real is a waste of time. Grifters going to grift tho. I bet it pays well. PS the terrain is important too! They knew in April 2020 low vitamin D n overweight/ metabolic syndrome increased ur risk. Why no messaging about vitamin D.
Thank you.
Your welcome. I graduated nursing school in 1983 when we were told not to wear gloves so we wouldn’t “offend” our patients working in NYC. I’m sure that was an experiment to see how transmissible their pet project was. We are just disposable lab rats. It’s amazing it’s all the same players too. Everyone should watch “Dallas Buyers club” wash, rinse, repeat.
One of the big themes I am trying to show through this SS is that things in history always repeat over and over and there were tons of previous case examples of what happened with COVID-19 being done :(
if "things" in history repeat...and humans and "viruses" have been around for hundreds of thousands of years...how has humanity survived all the "viruses" and their subsequent "variants"????...take your time
The immune system?
The 'immune system' as in the terrain, tight?
This argument is exhausting!
but the "immune system" just didnt work for this "virus"... hows that work?
Sorry Mary,
Chicken pox is neither universal, nor certain.
If you read the literature from the 1700s and 1800s, doctors regularly interchanged terms like smallpox, chickenpox, kinepox, and swinepox. Most of the authors (in English), claimed that it was a disease, limited to young children, and usually uncomplicated. Unsurprisingly, those who suffered the worst from smallpox and vaccination in the 19th century were the poor.
Like measles, chickenpox is a detoxification process. Children who have diets high in D3, K, A, and C vitamins either have no chickenpox, or few blisters.
But what about acne? Is that a contagious disease too? I see a lot of teenagers who interact and they ALL get it, to some degree. True there is no fever, but I wonder what is better for the body, an acute detox, or a slow septicemia.
Sorry about what? Chicken pox? Our thinking is probably closer then you think when it comes to terrain theory. ie I didn’t get “the blob” after 2 years of traveling, in hospitals, nursing homes, planes etc it took staying in a moldy house (my personal not universal kryptonite) family stress n crappy diet to get sick. My immune system was down. But I took it very seriously n treated it aggressively before I got it and when I did. Why? Because I was listening to life long friends who were on the front lines n didn’t have an agenda or trying to sell me anything. As far as acne isn’t that bacterial? Not airborne? And here again we agree terrain matters. Gut, detox pathways, hormone imbalance. Is there anything I said u can agree with? Or u don’t like one thing I say so nothing of my personal experience has merit? I learn something new everyday and willing to change my mind with that new information. I wish I knew what I know now when I was younger
Dear Mary,
Well stated. Please forgive my coarseness. I appreciate the details you added. Like you, I hope to learn something new every day. I hope to have grown from your frankness, experience, and wisdom.
Sincerely
Almost everyone gets childhood diseases--if not as a child, then as an adult, where they are typically more severe. Vaccination for childhood diseases is questionable, but pox parties are brilliant.
Dear Tom Hogan,
I must disagree. In re "childhood diseases", do you refer to something other than chickenpox? Arguably, because it is a mere detoxification process, and a function of diet, so-called severity is a function of overall health. I had four (4) pox, at age 27, during the winter, and though I was a vegetarian, I had not developed my regimen of supplement. I had a mild fever, for less than 24 hours, and was well within a day or two.
Other "childhood" diseases, e.g., diphtheria, whooping cough, and infantile paralysis (mislabeled "polio") were all functions of "smallpox vaccination" (the latter diagnosis exacerbated by lead arsenate, DDT, and other heavy metals).
Scarlet fever used to be a childhood disease ... what happened to that?
I’m there with you too Mary! Also a nurse, of 20 years now - I lost my hospital job because I wouldn’t agree to the jab.
It’s been an interesting ride with covid. Very polarizing. Like a lot of healthcare providers, I started out extremely terrified of the virus. I was sure that I’d bring it home to my elderly parents and kill then. Meanwhile others in my family, were getting onboard with the “there’s no such thing as viruses” and the “covid is all fake” ideas and we were at serious odds. They laughed at me for taking it seriously and I was appalled that they didn’t. We could barely speak to each other! I can happily report that in my family at least, we’ve all come to a better place of agreement and that more or less we’re all on the same page now. It was a process of mutual change. Personally, I became deeply suspicious of the government and media agenda as it became clear before the end of 2020 that there were already vaccines waiting to go (of completely untested materials no less) and everything was focused on rolling them out to everyone regardless! And then as I watched with horror the side effects and deaths and breakthrough cases happening. That was a big whoa buddy time for me. So I definitely shifted more towards my family but they also became a little lot more reasonable that there was probably “something” actually contagious happening, spread from person to person and something potentially dangerous. Having everyone get sick with it between delta and omicron helped solidify this. So I’d say, at least in this small microcosm, we all came to a place of common ground. However, I do believe that the essential element needed to reach that place of common ground, is a willingness to accept when one might be wrong and adjust one’s position. What I see on both sides (the virus deniers and the mainstream narrative champs) is that many are entrenched and refuse to change. I think that the only way to approach this is with compassion. It is fear that drives people into entrenchment. That said, I generally don’t argue with any of them, on either side. It’s just not worth it.
This is a great comment!
In 1919 the Army did an extensive experiment injecting healthy volunteers with supposed infected material from Spanish flu victims. Not one of them got sick. Why is it that you ASSUME that it's a virus making people sick? Did you ever hear of pre-existing conditions? Iatrogenic illness? Oh no, but it has to be Covid, Covid, Covid. By the way, how much do the hospitals get for putting death by Covid with ventilator and without on the death certificate? The dark theory of contagion has turned people into monsters today and taken us back to the time of the Salem Witch trials. Watch 1692 Was a Very Good Year on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qx8keLopGIM
I wish u were my neighbor so we could hang out and discuss the situation! Stuck in the middle together. We are a mixed jab family so I spend my time researching how to keep us all healthy.
Dear Mary,
Grifters STEAL money. People get sick - they need to de-tox and or add nutrients to the terrain. There are no "tricks" to health, which I trust you recognize. The grift is "viral" theory. That generates billions of dollars of wealth for those who sell poisons (called vaccines and Rx drugs).
Such a belief allowed shut downs of business and commerce, and governments handed over money to rollout the real bio-weapons, mRNA injections.
Best
I am someone who is kind of on the fence on this issue. I tend to lean toward terrain theory overall. I truly wish to see debates on these issues. We are arguing within the framework of a system of healthcare for profit. Within that system, it is not in the best interests of the system for the people to be healthy. Terrain theory gives the individual back their Power over their healthcare. In all honesty, I really like the concept that I have control over my health and that I do not need to go within a system that is going to rake me over the coals financially in order to help me.
Why is it so necessary that we look at things as black and white. This issue has so many gray areas it is truly worth exploring. We need debates. Debates are very good things. As soon as I see someone not willing to debate I’m thinking they are not comfortable in their truth. Please please please can we not put aside our differences and have some really interesting discussions. Interesting discussions are awesome. And we all so need more awesome in our lives.
Terrain theory gives you a lot of control over year health as long as you do not follow an extremist version of it.
A terrain theory extremist?!?
WTF. So AZT and other types of chemo are good? Smoking formaldehyde-laced tobacco in moderation - all good. Pass the aspartame, what could it hurt? Has anyone seen my Roundup? I need to spray it on my salad.
If there is NO sodium fluoride in this water, I REFUSE to drink it.
I do NOT want any butter or cream from grass fed cows. That seems so extreme. Gimme that Country Crock spread, and Cool Whip is King!
You know I do not believe this, so this is a bad faith argument.
Doc,
I was being funny. You said "terrain theory gives you a lot of control over your health as long as you do not follow an extremist version of [terrain theory]".
What the heck does that mean? Are you saying that extremist versions of terrain theory (what ever that could be), remove or diminish one's control over their health?
I find solace in the words of Barry Goldwater, "Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue."
Similarly we can practice healthy living - and avoid the poisons I listed ... that is no vice. And by extension, deciding to poison your terrain, in moderation, is no virtue.
But you seem to argue against real food, clean water, and avoiding injections with polysorbate 80, aluminum, MSG, mercury, formaldehyde, monkey, cow, and human proteins.
I mean, jeez. You are giving us the "straight lines." To which I offer the "punch lines." It is not as if I take your words out of context. How about you provide some examples of "terrain theory" extremism - and show how such could prevent health. Then contrast that with "terrain theory moderation".
Modest Terrain Theory: Eat a healthy diet and supplement if necessary.
An extremist version? Who's to decide? (You?) Just argue the points and don't worry too much about characterizing. Who's to say what is extreme? It's pretty extreme to be forcing needles into people's bodies and everyone still being totally flummoxed as to what's going on.
Saying viruses do not exist and you cannot be infected with a disease by others is an extremist version.
Dear AMD,
My daughter has never been injected with a "vaccine." She has never suffered from smallpox, monkeypox, polio, Japanese encephalitis, Hepatitis B, C, or E, measles (which ever strain of the 32 types you might declare exist), pertussis, para-pertussis, typhoid, typhus, strep throat, Coxsackie virus, Marburg virus, Ebola, Yellow fever, malaria, leprosy, mumps, AIDS, diphtheria, rotavirus, cholera, ...
I guess she is just lucky. Those unicorns and their fairy dust are lurking around every corner, dirty bathroom, and Port-a-Potty. And all those people wearing those bacterial, fungal, and virus-laden paper masks. (Throw out your dead, throw out your dead).
I don't support the childhood vaccine schedule either. One of the many reasons is because most of the things on it are things you will never run into or are relatively benign.
Dear AMD,
Have you seen the work, research, and talks by Toni Bark, MD? (I believe that she died in 2020). She discovered the scam and harm of vaccines in medical school. She opened my eyes to the false claims of "immunity." For instance, she noted that many vaccines are supposed to prevent "bacterial" illness - yet a person can have such "infections" more than once. Of course, the same is true with "viral" illnesses like "smallpox" and chickenpox. The former was noted by Jenner (see Baron 1838).
Best
Doc,
In 2021, in Changzhou, China (a metro area of about 10 million), a pregnant woman, in labor, arrived at the hospital. Her "48 hour" PCR had lapsed. So the staff REFUSED to allow her inside.
It all turned out well. The staff, who feared her "diseased state" and germs, lived; the baby died! All praises to Pasteur and his devotees.
Good thing that those doctors and nurses were not so foolish as to believe in "terrain theory extremism." They could have been killed, by the non-existent exogenous pathogen ...
strawman...you still havent explained how humanity has survived thousands of years...what with all those "contagious viruses" floating around...or did they just appear recently? if so how and when....take your time doc
We really need to understand how EVERYTHING is connected.
Please watch and use your critical thinking to connect these 2 (of many) concepts.
https://youtu.be/CA_Phpz4woY
I typically do not have time to watch youtube videos commenters send me but other people who read these threads do.
and you apparently dont take much time researching the virus scam either....https://brandnewtube.com/watch/andrew-kaufman-destroys-judy-mikovits-on-her-theory-on-viruses_rXj6AHBtEPhHYy1.html
He's a member of the illuminati. He was married to a Rothschild.
You might mention that this is a Russell Brand video and the title. Also mention the length of time of the video.
Right you are. Sorry, I’m a dog groomer trying to be an artist who was a closet Luddite for a lot of years and I’m not exactly tech savvy. I am guilty of assuming. Call shenanigans on me every chance you get.
https://youtu.be/pJzbdcHQ4-A
"Controlled opposition". Just saving you the trouble but don't take my word for it, find out.
This is exactly where I am.
Yes! Debate soon sorts out the wheat from the chaff!
Kaufman et al are right in that viruses as presented by the NIH under Bill Gates, Tony Fauci's controlled are fraudulent. That doesn't mean they exist, but it means they are presenting falsehoods, and they are doing it deliberately.
COVID, aka the symptoms are broad and non-specific. They are not just respiratory distress, they are cardiovacular and neurological, which seem to be induced by autoimmune reactions.
There seems to be several possibilities for the illness during 2019-2020.
Graphene oxides.
Graphene electromagnetic properties were discovered, I think around 2005. A lot of money went into funding research into it's use for the medical industry. I think a lot of this research was for good intentions, trying to take medicine to the next level. But I think the technology has been highjacked for the globalist agenda of a transhuman future called human 2.0.
Spanish Researcher from La Quinta Columna have been donated a number of COVID vaccines vials, Influenza vaccine vials, saline solutions, anesthesia, and meat to examine. This began with the COVID vaccine vials, they wanted to know what was in them. They found they were mostly comprised of graphene oxides. After this discovery they were given these other items and found graphene oxides in them. They have reported graphene oxides are spread through chemtrails and are found in some water supplies.
They say they have found research indicating Graphene oxides cause respiratory distress and blood clotting. They conducted tests under electron microscopy showing in real time, self assembling nanoparticles. They placed a 4g phone next to the slide, and called it. You can see in the video that when the phone call is answered, the nanoparticles assembly speeds up. they measured the increased rate at 5x.
Retrovirus activation.
Retroviruses are part of the genome of life. Humans are born with them. One of them is called HERV-W, for human endogenous retrovirus. This particular retrovirus is responsible for forming a placenta after conception. Without it, there would be no births.
Humans aren't the only species who share this retrovirus. Animals have it. Monkeys, Mice, dogs, bats, you name it. This retrovirus was noted by James Lyons-Weiller in his paper
Pathogenic priming likely contributes to serious and critical COVID-19.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov › articles › PMC7142689
The protein produced by HERV-W is syncytin. Many humans have been walking around with animal versions of RNA that produce this protein who are unaware of it because their immune system has prevented it from expressing.
Dr. Judy A. Mikovits has done extensive research into this. She had a group who were studying a retrovirus called Xenotropic Murine Leukemia Virus, Related Viruses(XMRV's) and their association with ME/CFS patients. She had number of symptomatic ME/CFS patient cohorts who frequently donated saliva and blood samples, and found this retrovirus was very hard to detect. One day she tested a patient and found the blood was full of it. She found out that patient had recently received an immunization. It was this discovery that led to a practice of giving HIV/AIDS patients a viralblocker before they received immunizations, because she witnessed virus activation.
So it was concluded that strong pathogenic attacks on the B cells could activate these viruses.
Further testing revealed about 6% of the U.S. population had these viruses, but weren't sick and didn't notice them.
She decided to test the blood supply. I think this was around 2011. She found 20% of the blood supply was contaminated with HIV and XMRV's. She found a company called Cerus or Ceres, I don't remember exactly, to clean it using ultraviolet light. Fauci wouldn't let them do it until around 2014. I do know this company is still doing the work today.
So severe COVID-19 may have been from virus activation. Strong pathogenic attacks, such as influenza vaccines are a known trigger for virus activation. Mikovits discovered other forms of activation were possible from unbalanced hormones. I believe it was Bob Silverman who first discovered XMRV's among prostate cancer victims. It was from this discovery that Mikovits learned how unbalanced hormones led to virus activation. Men who produced above average, excess testosterone, and who were found seropositive for XMRV's had the most aggressive prostate cancers.
Stress produces cortisol. Excess cortisol is known to have deleterious effects on immunity. When cortisol levels are high, other hormone expression declines. One such hormone is vitamin D, responsible for many things including T cell mobilization, according to Carl Geisler. Another suppressed hormone critical in the COVID pathology is insulin. These suppressed hormones allow the retrovirus to begin expressing. When they express, they begin producing a foreign version of syncytin which triggers autoimmune attacks against self, typically targeting genetic defects or other weaknesses. Thus a wide array of targets may be affected creating a vast array of injuries from blood clotting, to platelette loss, strokes, heart attacks, respiratory distress or numerous neurological problems.
Genetic defects affecting the ability to degrade RNA viruses may cause early onset of symptoms following infections with the foreign RNA.
So this begs the question, what was the source of the animal RNA? How did it get inside humans? Mikovits was holding conference sharing her findings on XMRV's when a scientist in the room blurted the answer. OMG, this came from the vaccines! The scientist was referring to the process of attenuating live viruses in cell lines.
To learn more about Mikovits findings check out her books Plague, 2014, by Judy A. Mikovits, Ph.D, and Kent Heckenlively; Plague of Corruption 2019, same authors; and Ending Plague by Frank Ruscetti, Ph.D., Dr. Judy A. Mikovits, Ph.D., and Kent Heckenlively.
The problem is that all of those are speculative ideas rather than one definitive one which is demonstrated as clear proof that explains what is causing COVID-19. I could do the same to challenge almost any widely held belief so you need to present a stronger case to reject an existing hypothesis or you are going into Flying Spaghetti Monster territory.
I understand that covid has not been isolated therefore it doesn't exist. The medical establishment has not proven it at all. It won't even address the question, it just ridicules. Actually everyone should have asked for proof that covid exists before accepting that it does. Until they can show hard proof then everything the media and the medical establishment has said could be a load of bunk and you've been snookered. You probably believe that you couldn't be snookered.
My understand is that it has been isolated.
What is the criteria you propose for the virus to be "isolated?"
This was one of the things I described needed to be done in the post, because otherwise anything that is done just gets labeled as not counting as being isolated.
please explain how the frontline workers...who were working right next to hundreds of "infected covid patients" didnt die from the "infectious" disease...take your time
Some did. I know numerous doctors this happened to in the early days of COVID.
this happened to? what happened to? did they die? I'm sure the "dead ones" wouldn't mind if you actually named them and provided an autopsy report and toxicology report...or just an obituary...
The atom didn't exist for a very long time until it was proven to exist.
strawman
Dude, what is up with the false equivalencies? FSM is a spoof on Christianity and a society that has laws to "protect" religious beliefs and expression. Montagnier admitted that he never purified HIV. He believed that a "virus" existed, but admitted that diet was the key to health. Enders (1955) said that he could not distinguish decaying monkey kidney cells from "real measles virus" ... Can we focus on the theory of viruses? Racaniello says that we come in contact with about 4,000,000,000 viruses a day. So even if such were true, under his theory, the probability of getting sick from a virus should be ZERO! That is just one instance of the inanity of the theory of exogenous viral contagion.
Doesn't that mean viruses exist?
Dear AMD,
Ah, no. In regards to Racaniello, my point is that the theory of "exogenous viral contagion" is so bereft as to propose that the probability of getting ill from one of those "billions of floating particles" is effectively zero. So for virologists (priests of a branch of unfalsifiable scientism), they can say that "your immune system protects you from these alien invaders"; while still telling the masses to worry about invisible creatures ... and "get those vaccines!"
If you like, I can encourage you to send me money, as such will empower me to protect you from the fairy dust covered unicorn demons.
Prof. Racaniello (at Columbia) starts with a belief in contagious exogenous viruses, and then invents stories to fit with that belief. This is ANTI-science. He starts with a conclusion, and supplements words for evidence as to affirm his religion.
As for Enders, have you not read his paper from 1955? And as for Montagnier, as demonstrated by the Perth group back in the 1990s, no one has ever found HIV.
If viruses cannot infect organism, why are they so prevalent in the environment?
Also you are completely misrepesenting Montagnier's work
C'mon Doc,
I am not declaring that "viruses" are prevalent in the environment. That is the claim of Prof. Vincent Racaniello.
I do not make any effort to mislead. Have you not seen the 2011 interview between Montagnier and Brent Leung (House of Numbers)? There, Montagnier admits that he never "purified" the virus. Montagnier also says that someone can be "exposed to the virus, many many times" - all they need is a good diet. David Crowe also does a nice job of deconstructing the flaws in "HIV" virology and the evolution in thinking of Montagnier (on the benefits of diet).
I have a whole library of text, audio, and video - on disease, vaccines, vaccinology, and viral theory. I am more than delighted to share. biko97jcj (at) hot mail (dot) com
does the FACT that humans and "viruses" have been around for thousands of years...yet humanity didnt die off from "viruses" prove they dont exist???? take your time doc
C'mon Rich (I love ya, but ...),
I think that we know that the "Germ Theory" dogmatists have an answer to this one. They say: human immune systems adapt, and via evolution, both in humans and viruses, so we have changed over time, and have "learned" to live in symbiosis.
Then they argue that "deaths" (from / with flu, pneumonia, typhus/typhoid, smallpox, measles, etc.,) are proof that sometime the viruses win, as they overwhelm the host.
Because they declare that viruses exist, and the viruses adapt (even though viruses are not living, have no central nervous system, no nucleus, etc.), and that the human immune system can - sometimes - resist or neutralize the invaders, the "Germ theory" people always have proof ... all around them.
I even met one biologist who declared that viruses only cause illness with the host has a weakened immune system due to lack of water, vitamins and minerals, stress, etc.
So, I think that a better question, is to ask them to show us "isolation" (purification) and that said virus causes illness via some type of test, like Koch's postulates, or the Bradford Hill criteria, or even a simple t-test.
I am not a doctor but I do have common sense...if a new "virus" infected humans a thousand years ago or whatever time frame you wish to use...how did the human body have time to develop an "immune response" to the new "virus" before it "killed them"... I'm all ears
The immune system. That said, there were times when a lot of humans died and viruses were a force of natural selection.
if a "new virus" popped up...out of thin air...and humans "contracted" it how would their body have the time to "create an immune response" before the virus killed them? there were times when "a lot" of humans died and viruses were a force of "natural selection"... so "viruses" now pick and choose who they kill? that statement is totally unprovable and thats why you didnt provide any "evidence" to support the claim...but try again
The CDC: It reads like a broad spectrum of symptoms....
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/symptoms/flu-vs-covid19.htm
Nothing stated regarding Mikovits works is speculative. It's well documented and resourced, and to this day no one has disproven a word of it.
watch Judy squirm when confronted by Andy Kaufman....https://brandnewtube.com/watch/andrew-kaufman-destroys-judy-mikovits-on-her-theory-on-viruses_rXj6AHBtEPhHYy1.html
Oh, he's in FSM territory and three counties away by now.
One of the most valuable comments I've ever read on any Substack. Thank you Matt.
"COVID, aka the symptoms are broad and non-specific."
Nonsense.
Looks broad here.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/symptoms/flu-vs-covid19.htm
Check out procalcitonin.
when in doubt...resort to strawman...red herring...ad hominem as a rebuttal...great logic
This is a big can of worms. Which is why I personally haven't trod too far down this road.
Truth be told, I feel guilty for not researching the virus denial movement further especially in detail. Because sometimes the devil really is in the detail. Maybe it is. Maybe it's not. I actually do not know.
I agree heavily with your assertions that this could spawn a huge division between parties and ultimately put the anti mandate movement down as a result. Sun Tzu made several comments in the art of war about the use of infiltration and then destabilization of a cause or political movement. And despite years of being told biggotry and stereotyping is bad. It is still very common for people to lump groups into a stereotype and hate them all equally. For no reason other than their own generalized assumptions.
I have also seen a similar movement to the viral denial movement before in a very different field of electrical engineering and magnetism which is electron denial.
Again I don't know either way, but I have seen some cool theoretical models based off this idea/theory and how it could revolutionize technology like wireless electrical technology and even potentially unlocking perpetual energy systems (which is super cool) yet this technology has not eventuated nor am I an electrical engineer or physicist so I suppose I am just waiting to see if anything unfolds. It hasn't yet it seems.
Terrain theory is IMHO valuable to understand. Two models of disease management seem to exist in use today.
One is primarily about disease suppression. (Allopathic medicine)
The other is based mostly on health promotion (Naturopathic/Terrain)
And both IMHO are equally important. And both should be used concurrently for best effect (my opinion)
But do viruses exist? I think so. Based on the observations of germ spread.
I worked for a while in an isolated rural army camp that housed many recruits and trainees. They came in hundreds at a time. There we had a few outbreaks over the years requiring short term quarantine of soldiers. Of which was a scabies outbreak. Another was norovirus and the other Swine flu.
All of these outbreaks were essentially treated the same way. Infected soldiers were isolated in their own barracks separate to the rest of the camp where meals were delivered by medics three times a day and treatments given at roughly the same time (obviously different treatments for each outbreak) Where they had come from before hand was thoroughly decontaminated and cleaned. And usually after a few days or a week the problem passed nor spread further.
This seems to indicate germ theory and disease transmission and quarantine as a method of preventing it.
That is fascinating, I had no idea there was a school of thought that electrons do not exist. I will need to look into this in the future!
"Home of Ethereal Mechanics" http://www.distinti.com
It's another big, deep rabbit hole.
Thank you.
Of course they exist. Exactly what they are is the question. The act like charged neutrinos. (Half-twists in space, and what is "charge"?) Both are point particles. So how do electrons, muons, and tauons have vastly different masses? Did virus poison infect them? :)
As for your direct question, I learned at the University of Illinois, "electron" is just a newfangled name for phlogiston. (φλεγείν phlegein - that which burns) "Electron" derives from an old Greek word for amber, ήλεκτρο. We may as well debate the distinction of fire and lightning.
Blinding us with science. "Of course they exist" - doesn't sound like it's coming out of much of a scientific thinker.
No, Tesla worked with Jetson babies. Go read a bunch of treatises on electrons, electrical theory, etc., then get back to us. Are you here as a spam baiter?
Sun Tzu comment is right on.
There are so many experts that I would follow that were against say: lockdowns, only to find out that they were all-in on vaccinating 'the vulnerable'. Humm. So ignore that the trials were a disaster, ignore the questions on blood-clots and advocate for injecting some group of people that they won't define. (I'm looking at the GBD folks btw).
In Feb of 2020! South Korean doctors gave guidance on early treatment. Of course later the entire country succumbed to the constant propaganda. That small ray of hope still sticks with me. What an incredible psyop we're living in.
One thing I've noticed is that the really knowledgeable people are hesitant to make recommendations because they have an inkling of *what they don't know*. This is why we fell victim to the 6'-safe and wear underwear on your face nonsense. Nobody was willing to lay on the tracks and call BS because *maybe* it could work for *somebody*.
Viruses are complicated, and our immune systems are more complicated still. It NEVER surprises me when we have big breakthroughs in understanding, especially in areas where the 'experts' are sure of how it works.
We were DAMNED, and still are, once the 'emergency' was declared and bureaucrats were put in charge of health policy in 'fighting' a virus.
Anyone know when the emergency ends? It never ends.
This is a very good point and reflective of the problems with a society that thrives on simplistic truths rather than nuanced ideas:
One thing I've noticed is that the really knowledgeable people are hesitant to make recommendations because they have an inkling of *what they don't know*. This is why we fell victim to the 6'-safe and wear underwear on your face nonsense. Nobody was willing to lay on the tracks and call BS because *maybe* it could work for *somebody*.
The art of war is a wonderful book and although it is less commonly recognized, also a spiritual text.
But is war what we're after? I don't see the relevance to recommending a book on war. I'm hoping we'll be different now, that we will only use reason. And we can only use reason when we have all the information. So anyone who censors isn't secure in their argument. Free speech is the only safeguard of free individuals.
The supreme art of war is to subdue your enemy without fighting - Sun Tzu
It's not a book just on war. Although the title suggests that. It is more a book on ... exactly what you are talking about. How to win without killing and ultimately doing the most good with the least effort or harms.
Emergency POWERS (and profits) keep the emergency going ad infinitum. Just look, we're about to get a brand new emergency, OSHA will be shutting down facilities to "keep workers safe" again, now from "global warming," the other terrain theory.
BOOM. This fight is about human liberty, not about the existence of a microbe.
Correct
After sleeping on this I feel I want to clarify my position better.
I am intrigued by the no virus argument if it can ultimately build a better model for the future to work with. But at this stage I cannot ignore what I have seen with my own eyes which presents to me as proof or strong evidence of germ theory, although perhaps within the details there are other explainable phenomena taking place I am simply naive to.
Ultimately however I am a small business health and safety manager with a frustrating medical condition CFS/M.E and have a background in managing CBRN response. The sum of those experiences show me this...
1) The controls used to mitigate covid are more hazardous than covid is itself.
2) We collectively do not know what causes CFS/M.E nor Long-covid or otherwise have a poor understanding of what these jabs can be doing in regards to genotoxicity and chronic inflammatory conditions.
3) It is inexcusable to have or take such enormous risks on such a large population with these measures without adequate testing. And stating safe and effective when this is purely speculation and essentially false advertising.
4) They must stop the vaccine rollouts and any future lockdowns and make realistic plans to reduce the impact of any chronic or delayed effects from these jabs if they do materialize. Because to not do so could be enormously hazardous for everyone.
5) This is not rocket science and because the obvious is not occuring there appears to be a political or secret agenda behind it.
6) Stopping that secret agenda is paramount whatever it is or may be. Because it certainly does not appear safe or better for the majority of the population.
Good comment!
We are at an extremely dangerous juncture. What we don't know really could harm us. That's why all ideas need to be able to be aired without pressure. If they don't make sense, then we must object using reason and not coercion, and learn to debate splendidly. We all need the practice. We have lost the art of debate. Debate is extremely interesting and entertaining when it's done using reason and not manipulation. Manipulation needs to be called out or anything that doesn't gel.
Here's a debate on germ vs terrain theory. It may help you understand it a lot clearer: https://yummy.doctor/video-list/terrain-vs-germ-theory-debate-between-dr-amandha-vollmer-and-md-student-dr-paul-cottrell-moderated-by-jesse-hall/
thanks for posting
Star Trek: A Taste of Armageddon models it quite well.
Free speech is not dangerous. In fact the opposite is true. Censorship is dangerous. So what if we all have different opinions? We only can get to the truth by expressing them. We'll they're both not used by $cience in fact $cience doesn't even mention Bechamp in medical schools. It's like not mentioning Tesla - what was up with that? Even though he worked with Edison and we do hear a lot about Edison. Think it's an accident?
I enjoy your comment. I’m a bit frazzled with my young kids right now and don’t have thr bandwidth to look into terrain theory. I generally follow Weston A Price Foudnation principles and they are proponents of terrain theory. But I just can’t do it right now. Now sure how it would affect how I live my life anyways.
I support the Weston A Price Foundation too!
Oh, Sun Tzu you say...?
"Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win".
Victorious warriors prove that a novel coronavirus never existed and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war with the WHO and governments trying to convince them that their public health emergency measures are not justified and then seek to win.
See how it works ;-)
But don't fall for the bogus burden of proof. Nobody needs to prove that a novel coronavirus never existed. Can one prove that green elephants never existed? No. The burden of proof is on people claiming the existence of something, not on the people saying, "I don't believe it. Show me the evidence."
Thus, the virus promoters need to show, with some high probability, that a novel coronavirus (1) exists, (2) causes disease, and (3) is contagious. But they start by assuming (2) and then "deducing" (3) and (1) -- mostly thanks to a fake PCR test.
Well they have to a reasonable degree and at this point you need to prove they haven't.
That doesn't even sound coherent to me.
Basically:
1) Your side has refused to clearly define what counts as "proof"
so
2) You can throw the arbitrary label of the proof being "bad" onto whatever is presented.
I completely disagree with that characterization and it is a result of 1.
No we have been pretty clear about what constitutes "proof".
Follow the scientific method.
Have a proper control.
*Lanka already did a control experiment - that is never done in virology - and was able to demonstrate cytopathic effect AND sequenced (aka metagenomic sequencing, aka assembled <-- which is exactly what every "isolation" paper did) a SARS-COV2 genome. The kicker? He didn't add any virus to the cell culture. Virology claims that CPE = virus. How in the world could Lanka's experiment result in a SARS-COV2 genome, if he had no SARS-COV2? All he did was add yeast.... Lanka's control experiment PROVES that what we call "viruses" are a result of the manipulated conditions, of which do not come close to replicating what would actually occur in nature. I dont roll around in fetal bovine serum, monkey kidney cells, cancerous tissue, then drown myself in antibiotics, then starve myself of vital nutrients. But this is what a cell culture is and this is the ONLY way virologists are able to produce CPE. Surely my lungs, on their own, represent a "culture". Surely if a virus exists, we should be able to find it without all this ridiculous manipulation of the environment. Yet for some reason, we can't. For some reason, NEVER is a control experiment performed. Why is that? Enders was the first and only virologist to perform a control prior to Lanka. His conclusion stated that he could not differentiate between the control and the supposed virus infected culture. Oops! Can't have that! So, controls were NEVER performed again. Yikes. Big red flag there.
I present to you the well established criteria:
Kochs or Rivers postulates - the "gold standard" for "proving" pathogenic bacteria & viruses.
1) ISOLATE & PURIFY the virus. With no other biological material added.
2)Show that the ISOLATED & PURIFIED particle cause disease.
3)Demonstrate that the particle is CONTAGIOUS in another host organism.
4) Re-isolate, purify and sequence (SANGER sequencing, not metagenomic in silico assembly) the same particle you started with.
Simple.
We have been able to isolate & properly sequence other particles of the same size or smaller than so-called viruses. Therefore, it shouldn't be difficult.
Reading through your replies above makes it pretty obvious that you haven't even bothered to truly look into "our side". Or the history of virology. Id be happy to provide some resources for you but I dont think you would actually look at them seriously & critically.
Have they?
the mere fact that you come up with those claims, means that no matter what evidence would be brought forward it would not be enough.
for if there could be evidence that could be enough, you would have long since come to the conclusion that the virus does exist.
for some two and a half years now there has been published a preponderance of evidence that you either have not taken notice of, or have rejected outright.
and this leads to the conclusion that you act in bad faith.
you are in fact the perfect example of what the article is about.
Well if there is a preponderance of evidence the virus exists, cite it. All I've seen is media hype and propaganda and doctors pushing quack scenes and everywhere we look, pushing vaccines and billionaires making ever more billions.
It's a waste of time to cite it because your side will not specify what is acceptable evidence.
just one : https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7366528/
That is a great example. This is an example of it being done with 3rd generation sequencing where the rna is not fragmented: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34780358/
You said it!
Thanks.
No need to go to war at all. All we need is reasoned argument. Don't we all want to know the truth?
You are correct.
The attempts have been spearheaded by a few people only who act non-methodically and in a haphazard manner. Furthemore, their clearly declared conflict of interest may sabotage their otherwise genuine intentions.
Unless the Cowan/Kaufman side engages actively with the other side we will not move forward.
Unless the narrative is challenged using its own methods nothing will change if we just talk to, and convince ourselves.
What we need is this to be taken forward by people with no conflict of interest. No YouTube creators, naturopaths, alternative healers etc etc.
So yes, no winners in that sense (yet).
What is this electron denial of which you speak? I have never heard tell of it in physics. Ether, yes, but not electron denial.
Of course ether exists. (And I don't mean the anesthetic and laboratory solvent and its congeners.) It's the sea of virtual particles in free space, with a virtual density of 5.1550×10^96 kg/m^3.
Virtually accurate. ;)
While I can't really comment about wireless electrical technology, you phrased the parts about virus denial far more diplomatically than I could
That is a term that is deliberately charged. It's meant to hold opposers as contemptible. They are not denying viruses they are saying that viruses are not like we've been told and terrain theory is being ignored. See how that word magik goes.
Propose a better term. I was in the position of having to put forward a term that clearly and concisely conveyed the concept to all parties involved.
You know what dear friend? You AND Denise are both right. I kind of froze when I saw the term "deniers" being used (because it resembles the word used to describe another emotionally charged group) but then I can also see your predicament. What do we use? What is acceptable?
I know you do not have time for petty arguments like this but should this be taken as an opportunity to formally ask that side (Cowan/Kaufman) as to how they define themselves and invite them into an active discussion?
A lot of people have asked them to and they won't. I wrote this partly because I was getting fed up of both sides flinging insults and challenges at the other rather than doing something productive to move the issue forward.
You pull the usual trick of conflating isolation/purification with replication. If viruses existed, there would be zillions of them in clinical samples taken for patients with "viral" diseases. They could be isolated/purified from the samples. Unless of course they self-destruct upon leaving a cell, lol, which would then raise the question of how they got in there in the first place and how they could then spread to other cells and other hosts. Obviously they couldn't. So if they existed they can be found and isolated/purified, and then sequenced, characterized and studied with fully controlled experiments (aka science). But this has never been done with any virus, as admitted by the CDC. Virologists don't even purify the particles that the claim to be "viruses" from their monkey/cow/human mixtures (cell cultures), and follow through with sequencing, characterization and fully controlled experiments (aka science) using the purified particles to see if they actually fit the definition of a virus (replication-competent obligate intra-cellular parasites that transmit between hosts and cause disease via natural modes of exposure). Because virology is not a science.
Just because something can't be isolated and purified, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. In that way of thinking, that means that in history, many things that at one time couldn't be isolated/seen/etc. under the technology of that time, such as atoms, don't/didn't exist.
Whether something exists doesn't equal current technology limitations. To equate the two is circular thinking.
This whole argument discredits the non-mandate and Covid vac skeptic crowd.
I have never said that because something can't be isolated and purified, it doesn't exist. What I've been saying is that "it" and "viruses" in general (measles, influenza, HPV, etc etc etc) have never been shown to exist and are clearly made up and don't exist. And to prove that a theoretical virus did exist, one would need to purify it. "Virus" is not simply defined as a tiny particle. If it were, sure we could just see it in an EM and say it exists. But virus is defined much more specifically than that and to verify those specifics requires purification.
Those two statements are basically the same thing...
Not at all. Something obvious can exist without being purified. But when something (viruses) have never been shown to exist in the entire history of pretending to show that they do exist, and when their "genomes" are blatantly made up, and everything about "them" has been fudged, it stretches the imagination of reasonable people a bit too much to say "well maybe despite all that they really do exist". I notice you love to divert away from the existing fake science to discussing people, sentences, etc. I don't have time for any more of this so, byyyyeee.
For the record, we are able to ACTUALLY isolate & purify particles much smaller than viruses - without the need for adding various other sources of biological material, poison, nutrient depleting chemicals, etc.
Why can we not do the same for viruses? Why the need for cell culture aka toxic soup mixture?
Your debating skills are very weak. You didn't do much research at all so you speak on the basis of ignorance.
That is an ad-hominem.
Maybe. But it’s a bit rich coming from someone who throws around the term of propaganda “virus denier” and implies that people asking for evidence are somehow “paranoid” or “insane.” It’s just gaslighting. (I did enjoy your series on medical gaslighting.)
Logic isn't your strong point.
"to verify those specifics requires purification."
Yet again with the Required Test logical fallacy. Logical fallacies are your bread and butter.
No fallacy. You can't sequence and characterize something and study it with fully CONTROLLED experiments without purification. Do you weight yourself with a bunch of friends, pets and plants on the scale with you?
Physicists characterized electrons for decades without purification. They calculated the charge per electron and mass per electron and devised electron orbital theory without purification or isolation. There was lots of indirect evidence.
Let's suppose that I am a parachute skeptic. I don't believe that parachutes work. So, I require a test of parachutes. A RCT. 500 people in the placebo arm and 500 in the parachute arm to be dropped from and airplane flying one mile high. This is my required test. Would you not agree that it is a fallacy? Shouldn't I accept other types of evidence?
Maybe they did, maybe they didn't. Maybe their THEORY is wrong. Maybe their calculations are wrong. I have not reviewed that evidence so cannot comment except to say that I take no claims at face value.
We all know for sure that if someone jumps out of a plane without something to slow down their fall, they're going to be in trouble. And we can observe that a parachute causes their fall to happen much slower (assuming that they only use the parachute, and not a parachute along with umbrellas, tarps and all kinds of other stuff).
I have no idea what your point is. Virologists haven't even shown that the alleged "SARS-COV-2" particle (a specific genome surrounded by a protein shell with specific spike proteins) exists, let alone causes disease and spreads disease to other hosts via natural modes of exposure. You have to have the specific particle before you can do fully controlled experiments. And fully controlled experiments require a purified sample of the particles.
Would you be willing to debate Steve Kirsch?
No, and I have already made this 100% clear to him, the reason beingthat I won't debate a rude, dishonest, disrespectful man who has now published THREE false and misleading hit-pieces on me and already run from 2 debate challenges. I've wasted enough time on him already, as documented here: https://www.fluoridefreepeel.ca/open-letter-to-steve-kirsch-january-10-2022/ Some of my colleagues might be willing but I don't speak for them.
Christine please ask one more question to Kirsch...is he referencing his "virus" information from the same "scientists" who conned him into getting the clot shot...twice... he didnt reply when I asked him on his substack post...maybe he just didnt see the question...carry on my friend
You should do it and trounce him. Argumentively of course.
It would only draw more attention to him. I'd rather let him simply become irrelevant.
I'm wondering how you crystallize lipids. Are you talking about freezing them? Wouldn't that mean that you are processing and changing them?
Many viruses are polyhedral (esp. bacteriophages). They aren't straight lipids since they contain nucleotides and proteins, but even if they were, why must I melt coconut oil? But hey, freezers and microwaves destroy all the nutritional content of food. :)
BTW I've never asked, but what is your background Tom? I assumed you worked in health care but I realized I never asked directly.
freezing?
lowering the temperature beneath the crystallisation temperature?
"They could be isolated/purified from the samples"
Why don't you pay to have that done?
Enjoy your viral crystallization. For x-ray crystallography?
No I don't agree on that, because far more than jab injuries is happening under the guise of "virus counter-measures", and has been going on for many, many years. Once it's understood that virology is not a science, it becomes clear that none of the counter-measures are based on science and all of the surveillance and upturning of our world is based on fraud/delusion/misunderstanding, and people have been harmed for nothing for years and years and years. And the true causes of dis-ease are being overlooked and ignored.
How would you precisely define "science" as you are using it in the above reply?
you actually seem to think that you are in the position to just throw overboard some 100 years of science?
what are your credentials, may i ask?
100 years of anti-science, actually.
I have a brain, I use it. And a masters degree in biostatistics and past career as a statistician, demonstrating I have a track record of logic, analytical thinking. Anyone who applies some common sense can see through virology.
This isn't rocket science.
ah, statistics!
like in: lies, damned lies, and statistics?
any of your publications on the subject you can recommend?
Oh so now anyone involved in statistics is a liar? Does that include everyone relying on the statistics in the zillions of published "scientific" papers in medicine?
I suggest you go read the methods of the "SARS-COV-2 isolation" studies, then you might have something to contribute to this conversation.
If science thinks it can't be overthrown by new ideas then it's not science but dogma. Sounds more like religion. Science should be happy to be thrown overboard. Scientists should be itching to be challenged. But what we have is quite the opposite. They fire anyone who doesn't toe their line. If it can't withstand challenge then it deserves to be thrown overboard.
Could not have said it better myself.
There's more than vaxx safety or totalitarian mandates involved. There's also being prepared to treat covid should you get it.
We can agree that covid vaccines aren't safe, but if we want to save lives, we have to educate people about how to be prepared to treat covid. Early, within 72 hours of symptom onset. The earlier, the better.
They're going to tank the supply chains and the money system. This is all distraction. They have many more devious plans for humanity. The antidote is talking about it. They are ambushing us right now just be aware because awareness will thwart it. Social Credit System Leak Reveals Elite's Plan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LiQ1AGuN5Q&t=1854s
Why must one be sacrificed for another? Don't you want to know the real truth?
MwD... Thanks for addressing this prickly issue. Sadly, the efforts to divide us further seem to have been enhanced by the "no virus" zealots. Emotion has replaced reason. Pseudo-science has replaced science... Igor Chudov's remarks below are spot on.
How can we all have the same opinion? We are divided on our opinions that's all. What is the alternative - are you going to agree with the side you don't agree with or are they going to agree with the side they don't agree with? It's a nonsense to worry about us being divided because we are each unique. Nobody is like you, nobody has the same views on every single thing. So we should embrace differences of opinion. It doesn't mean we are divided. We are having a good old talk about difference of opinions and that's healthy. Feeling pressured to not speak what we wish to express - that's NOT healthy!
Agree! I disagree with myself half the time! LOL!
theres a difference between "trying to divide us" and wanting to know the truth...and why is Igor the all knowing on this subject?
It matters not that I either agree or disagree with your work. I recommend you publish it to open opportunities for more and much needed further debate and research.
So far there is virtually no one who will profit by proving viruses don't exist.
bingo...the only ones who push the "virus" are the ones selling the "cure"
As an engineer I'm relaxed about accepting a theory that seems to help explain processes. My problem is that I haven't heard any good explanation about why some people succumb to a disease and others don't. Obviously ones starting immune system plays a role, but sometimes it just seems random.
It could just be that the body is so complex that we only have a really rudimentary understanding of it.
I can accept that viruses exist until a better theory comes up.
In the UK Challenge Trials nearly half intentionally exposed to the virus didn't become infected. They never developed any antibodies suggesting that mucosal cells killed the virus before it could even replicate. On the Princess Cruise ship an elderly couple were stuck on the ship for quite a period while the husband became ill, the wife never became ill. For some reason there has never been an exploration or explanation of their immunity. Clearly not all exposed will become ill and we seem to not know why.
The UK trial was heavily instrumented using PCR, lateral flow, cultures and blood samples of all the volunteers. They were all under 40 in good health. All were given the same exposure directly into their nose. Many had mild symptoms, some even were asymptomatic see https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-01780-9. They do say "Future studies will identify the immune factors associated with protection in those participants who did not develop infection or symptoms and define the effect of prior immunity and viral variation on clinical outcome." but so far nothing has been reported.
vitamin D deficiency is the biggest indicator of mortality from covid or from any influenza-like illness
The alleged covid.
Proper information is not sought. Vaccine history is not sought, it's not even considered. It is just automatically accepted that it couldn't be vaccines but it is actually vaccines. The research is very clear now, listen to doctors who have been banned for having the gall to suggest otherwise.
But COVID existed before the vaccines
Your comment is profound.
I think the body-mind-spirit system is extremely complex. For example, I can’t explain the man from Germany who is said to have received approximately 90 shots of Covid-19 vaccines (different brands). If I want to claim that I understand the system, then I need to be able to properly explain the outliers, if I can’t, then I remind myself to be humble, cautious and patient.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/03/german-man-suspected-of-taking-90-covid-jabs-to-sell-vaccination-cards
That paper is a rag. They call dissenters "covid deniers". That right there tells you that you must succumb to their dogma or you'll be labeled a "denier". What they are are truth deniers. Two can play that game.
Agreed. “XYZ denier” is always a term of propaganda designed to associate, and in the weak minded equate, the holder of a dangerous view with a Holocaust denier.
Brilliant analysis as usual ! The virus denier's protestations are indeed Circular- It is challenging to break the circle with some TRUTH when the rabbit is chasing it's tail. I honestly think it is controlled opposition or perhaps Psy-ops pushed by CovidCon globalists who want never-ending control and power with more mandates, Mid-term Covariant lockdowns= mail in voting schemes.
Thank you.
My sense is that the majority of people in this are not controlled opposition so I am trying to give them the benefit of the doubt but I do not have experience in the area of spotting these people.
You are brilliant and logical, which is why I have been following you. However, your logic has failed you on numerous occasions in this article. For instance, in your wrap up you demand from the virus denier side:
"Provide a reasonable way you will accept your position being tested and disproven"
This is backwards. Those making a claim for a virus need to back up that claim. As you said there is no direct evidence of the virus. The only evidence is PCR which is indirect evidence. When you look closely you realize that it is really only evidence of some DNA/RNA in a sample. It is non-specific. Corman-Drosten, the PCR test authors, admit they had no sample of the novel virus when they devised the test. Please apply your logical mind to the idea that they crafted a test without a sample of the thing they were testing for!
One of the commenters on this thread is Christine Massey who has filed many FOIA requests with the CDC. In their responses they admit that they have never purified virus directly from a human sample. And if they have not purified virus then they have not done any valid causation studies, if they have done any at all.
Also, to say that some people are getting sick, therefore, there is nasty new virus, is poor logic and worse science.
I have found papers that showed the virus being isolated from samples in sick patients. I suspect the CDC simply did not get around to doing this as opposed to SARS-CoV-2 never being found in patients with COVID-19.
Tkhat's a pretty big slip up to make don't you think? The CDC should have offered proof but if they didn't, the people should have insisted on proof before accepting any virus or pandemic. Some of us can see the scam for what it is and are stunned that you all can't. That's mind control. Everyone had it but now it's time to snap out of it by talking. And I think it's great that you wrote on this subject. A good dialogue really needs to be had.
"The only evidence is PCR which is indirect evidence."
You can prove that mRNA has increased in cell culture. That is acceptable, even if indirect.
And animal models have been infected with fluid derived from humans who had covid. The animals became symptomatic.
"In parallel to the development of neutralization assays, a cohort was established in San Diego, California, of 17 donors who had previously been infected with SARS-CoV-2 (Fig. 2A, fig. S2A, and table S1). The cohort was 47% female, and the average age was 50 years. Infection was determined by a positive SARS-CoV-2 polymerase chain reaction (PCR) test from a nasopharyngeal swab. All donors also had symptoms consistent with COVID-19, and disease severity ranged from mild to severe,"
https://www.science.org/doi/full/10.1126/science.abc7520
"At the time of writing, in vivo studies of SARS-CoV-2 infection have been described using macaques, cats, ferrets, hamsters, and transgenic mice expressing human angiotensin I converting enzyme 2 (ACE2). These infection models have already been useful for studies of transmission and immunity,"
https://bpspubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/bph.15143
Your standards for good science are very low. You refer to " animal models have been infected with fluid derived from humans who had covid." What else is in this fluid besides the supposed virus? Why can't they purify the virus and inject that into animals? Because they don't purify the virus. Christine Massey found that out from her FOIA requests.
Besides it says that the symptoms range from mild to severe? How many were mild, how many severe? How many asymptomatic?
Your reading and critical standards are clearly lacking. You obviously didn't click on the link.
"Christine Massey found that out from her FOIA requests. "
Viral purification is a straw man.
if I understood you correctly...animals can get the virus if injected with bodily fluid from an infected human... so if animals are susceptible to the virus you now need to explain why theres no reported deaths of any of americans millions of household pets....or is that a strawman question?
lemme guess...you're unacquainted with google scholar
"High prevalence of SARS-CoV-2 antibodies in pets from COVID-19+ households"
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2352771420302937
what a crock of shit...how would some pets develop "anti-bodies"...but not all of them? and if pets could develop "anti-bodies" why pray tell couldnt humans? common sense son
You can't just claim that but say nothing to substantiate that claim.
Logic is its own substantiation.
WOW a red herring and a strawman in one sentence...Im impressed...you must use google scholar
Good article. I have my own theory that you may find interesting.
I’m not a dr or scientist but I have had a very interesting life which lead me to become interested in certain areas. My whole life I have had adverse events due to exposure to metals. It has meant I’ve met some very specialised scientists who value my experiences a lot. I’ve also been known all my life as someone who is highly intelligent with a high IQ. I have no conflicts at all. I went in with no biases. It’s lead to me coming up with my own theories based on my own health and the health of others I’ve observed and had input into. I have written a Substack on it. Very short and basic.
Basically the reason different people react differently to a virus is down to their toxic load and their hypersensitivity to their toxic load. The toxins the body has trouble breaking down. Metals to be specific. I’ve had a type 4 delayed type hypersensitivity to certain metals from about the age of 13. I’ve even had bad reactions to the mercury in tuna which caused chronic fatigue syndrome. I was eating a lot of it at the time.
I’ve found from my observations that we all have our own personal antigen tolerance level. Once we exceed our antigen limit disease occurs. Lowering the antigen level and symptoms improve. If heart attacks are a family susceptibility it will only happen to you if you exceed your antigen tolerance.
With orthopaedic implant allergy the symptoms can be minimised if the patient avoids vegetables, eggs and herbs. I even know a couple both reacting badly to their hip implants. The wife eats lots of organic fruit and vegetables yet her symptoms were so much more severe than her husbands who only ate fries.
With covid if you have a high metal load and have a type 4 allergy to metals you will have severe symptoms and could die.
If you have a high metal load but do not have a type 4 allergy to them you will have a rough time with covid but unlikely to die.
If you have a low toxic load and don’t have a type 4 allergy to viruses you probably won’t even know you have covid. I don’t believe a virus like covid kills people. I believe it’s the patients metal load and their sensitivity to it. When the body tries to detoxify the virus it also in the process tries to detoxify the patients built up toxic load of metals. It moves the metal toxins around the body and through the organs and that’s what causes the symptoms.
It happens to me without having a virus. I’m having a bad reaction to PMMA bone cement but also have a type 4 allergy to certain metals and a toxic load of them. So everyday I avoid things that have a detoxifying effect and avoid moving too much as that sets off all the symptoms too.
But if I do eat vegetables I get really sick. The symptoms are the same as long covid. I even have what’s been called “covid tongue” but I’ve never had covid. My covid tongue is caused by low vitamin c. I lowered it on purpose before my implant was removed in order to survive the symptoms. I was having anaphylactic shock every time I ate. After lowering vitamin c the symptoms improved.
I believe testing all covid patients with the Melisa test and also testing metal levels in the blood would be very revealing. Maybe some scientist out there wants to give it a go
This is a common belief in the integrative medicine field (especially Klinghardt who has argued certain chronic infections are maintained because the microbes such as candida sequester heavy metals).
It is also a common reason why people develop dementia and heart issues later in life as when their bones atrophy, the heavy metals they had stored leak out in the blood stream (especially for lead).
Does it ever cross your mind that allopathic medicine has become too complicated for its own good?
I think so, but that statement is too vague for me to be sure I agree with it.
Very interesting. A topic I should but don't know much about.
I have CFS/M.E myself and have a host of similar theories but I have to eat lots of vegetables and herbs or spices. High antioxidant and high prebiotic. Antiinflammatory type diet.
I wonder if you have tried or heard of the FODMAP diet and perhaps we share different allergens which present as similar symptoms. Worsening or a crash.
I also wonder about mast cells, histamines and mast cell activation syndrome.
But I should definitely learn more about the metal aspect and how metal toxicities occur and are cleared from the body.
When a child I had no allergens and even as an adult I’ve been able to eat whatever I want to. I have type 4 allergies to mercury, titanium and aluminium. You become allergic through exposure. I’ve had to avoid Titanium dioxide in food for years. Prof Vera Stejskal said she believed I was allergic to thimerasol as well. It’s because I’m currently exposed that I’m unwell. To the bone cement. I’ve been having anaphylaxis/anaphylactic shock since 2019. Before the implant was removed even exercise would cause anaphylactic shock. Washing my hair in the shower I had to do slowly and gently. If I did it fast and vigorously it would cause anaphylactic shock. After the implant was removed in 2020 the titanium symptoms disappeared but not the odd symptoms out. I still had anaphylaxis/anaphylactic shock but I could control it better. Things have improved further over the last 2 years too. My antigen level is slowly lowering. If it wasn’t for the bone cement my health would be back to normal. There is a 570 page book on metal allergy which is being marketed as a clinical manual too for further information. You may be interested in the work of prof Vera Stejskal too RIP.
Thank you! This was interested. What you the implant you had (was it the bone cement, those are not titanium)?
I was allergic to both. I believe it’s the aluminosilicate in the bone cement that is responsible for the remaining symptoms as after it was put in me I started reacting to things with aluminosilicate in them. Like I’m now allergic to my iPhone screen and had to get some composite fillings removed due to the aluminosilicate just to try mitigate symptoms.
I’ve had bad reactions to two spinal implants. First was in 2005. I was so unwell it changed my appearance. When I awoke from the surgery to remove the implant my appearance was already back to normal. It was a dramatic change.
My second implant in 2019 had titanium alloy screws and carbon fibre rods. Ti6AL4V is the titanium alloy so has aluminium and vanadium too. That’s when they used the Cortoss bone cement.
7 months later my dr said if it wasn’t removed soon I could die. It was removed after 10 months. The titanium symptoms disappeared but still reacting to the bone cement. I am getting better slowly and less sensitised.
Type 4 allergy to metals is very obvious in me and in my fathers side of the family. Very very obvious.
I’ve also noticed many with implant allergy get diagnosed with a range of things. Fibromyalgia, osteoporosis, mast cell problems, autoimmune issues and many more.
So what I decided to do was go onto health groups on Facebook and simply ask people about implants. I was surprised that in these unrelated health groups the overwhelming majority of people had an implant of some type.
Same with Facebook groups of people who use diet to minimise symptoms like the Lion diet. They almost all had an implant too.
As I have no prior training in medicine i thought id try reaching my own conclusions about human health by observing and questioning hundreds of sick people. It got to the point that I can tell when people are having an adverse event to vaccine adjuvants just by observation. I even found a few drs and a specialist having an adverse event. They told me they just try to cope with it. I told them they obviously aren’t coping if I can tell. One of the conclusions I came to was that in my opinion people’s biological response to metals can tell you an awful lot about people’s health and susceptibilities and these susceptibilities can be avoided with this knowledge
Thank you very much for sharing this.
My medical history is fascinating when you go into the details. Some of the things that have happened have been very strange. The multiple instances of bad reactions to metals makes it much more interesting. I even reacted to a pair of underwear that caused bad swelling and a rash. It woke me up in the night. It turned out the underwear were made from polyester that had been impregnated with titanium dioxide which I reacted to. Lol
My dads side of the family has also been very illuminating as he has lots of siblings. My theory that family susceptibilities like heart attacks or cancer or even arthritis and mental illness only occur in family members who exceed their antigen tolerance keeps coming up and I really believe this is important for the future of healthcare.
I even wrote to the coroner in 2020 to tell them that if my most susceptible uncle is vaccinated it would kill him. I told the coroner about my families issues and that they shouldn’t be vaccinated and that I need the coroner to check for reasons related to metals if my uncle appears in front of them for an autopsy.
About 18 months later that uncle did get vaccinated and was dead within 48 hours.
Toxin overload is literally terrain theory. Welcome to the truth.
However I don’t deny the existence of viruses or their role in disease
Perhaps the belligerence, shared by Qbies & FlatEarthers, is 'sudden onset hostile attribution bias'. When one realises the sheer scope & constancy of the lies we are told, a vast betrayal by authorities we were taught to trust and, in many ways, need to trust .... It's a self-protective reaction run amok to begin to distrust everything. "If I didn't realise they were lying before, anyone could be lying now and I might not notice, so I'll just assume everyone's a liar and won't get fooled again."
Sudden betrayal can be very useful if it leads us to re-evaluation the things we've taken for granted. I find that double-checking things against logic & life experience helps to prevent the spiral into cynicism, as does finding some really wonderful people who serve as examples to counter the always/never extremes. Weirdly, Covid has stopped me from hating doctors (after some terrible experiences), because I keep remembering AMWD, Dr Mercola, Dr McCullough et al. fast enough to reject the all-or-nothing before it poisons my thinking or exits my mouth/fingers. Silver linings :)
Typically people are the most likely to abuse and treat badly those who are closest to them because no one else will let them get away with it. I view it as a need for them to cope with and discharge all the frustration they have built up, but I also do not feel its appropriate they are doing that to this group.
I looked. Oh, dear! The hysteria veritably radiates out of their posts. Thems some very angry sad frightened peeps. Hopefully, they'll find some other pastures to stomp around in soon. Meanwhile, sending you good vibes.
It'll be interesting to see how many return, like Crosby Stills & Nash going back to Spotify :)
Agree and agree!!!
Ok, I'll go and have a look at more of the comments now
Thank you for sharing your expertise with courage, candor, and tolerance. This is another one of your rich explorations that will provoke deep consideration and constructive debate; just what is needed. I am so grateful for this informative and instructive post. Thanks again.
Thank you.
The January 24th 2020 study published in the New England Journal of Medicine entitled A Novel Coronavirus from Patients with Pneumonia in China, 2019 describes how the scientists arrived at the idea of COVID-19: they took lung fluid samples and extracted RNA from them using the PCR test. It admits that the coronavirus failed Koch’s postulates:
“Further development of accurate and rapid methods to identify unknown respiratory pathogens is still needed … our study does not fulfill Koch’s postulates.”
Chief epidemiologist of Chinese CDC admitted "they didn't isolate the virus". ON CAMERA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w24g5zj__qo
Here's a bunch of questions which, if they can be answered with satisfactory scientific proofs, would utterly convince.
1. Why can't virologists extract purified virus particles from the infected patient sample without first:
a) introducting the unpurified patient sample to a cell culture;
b) starving the cell culture of nutrients;
c) poisoning the cell culture with antibiotic/antifungal drugs;
d) waiting for the cell culture to die (cythopathy), and then claiming the cell death was caused by the virus and not the steps a-c?
2. Why can't virologists perform a control test of the above "standard" isolation methodology to demonstrate once and for all that the very process they are using itself does not result in the cytopathic effects observed rather than the introduction of "virus" from a patient sample? Please note that Dr. Stefan Lanka has performed and repeated this control experiment and found that the process itself causes cytopathic effects, irregardless of the presence or absence of "virus".
3. Why can't virologists biochemically characterise the virus particle isolated directly from the patient sample without a culturing process in question 1?
4. Why can't virologists genetically Sanger sequence the full genome from the biochemically characterised virus particle wholly isolated from the patient sample without prior culturing?
5. Why must virologists mix the whole cell culture together (Q1.a-d) in a centrifuge at 100,000G until it forms a clump of material ("pellet"), and then genetically sequence that mixture for the "viral genome"?
6. Why can't virologists use density-gradient centrifugation to actually isolate the components of the "viral isolate" according to their size and molecular weight, and then genetically sequence gradient-sorted particles and compare them to the sequence extracted directly from the patient sample in Q.4?
7. Why can't virologists take the purified viral isolate extracted directly from the patient sample, add it to a healthy cell culture and then keep the culture well-fed and healthy to see how long it takes for cytopathic effects to occur?
8. Why can't virologists take the purified viral isolate extracted directly from the patient sample, add it to an inert nasal spray and permit its inhalation (the alleged mode of transmission) into a number of monitored animal subjects to discern if they acquire the suspected disease thereby?
9. Why can't virologists take the purified viral isolate extracted directly from the patient sample, add it to an inert nasal spray and permit its inhalation (the alleged mode of transmission) into a number of monitored human subjects to discern if they acquire the suspected disease therefrom?
If you want to assert that "viruses cause disease", then this claim must be proven scientifically. It never has been (especially questions 1, 2, 7, 8 and 9).
"Chief epidemiologist of Chinese CDC admitted "they didn't isolate the virus". ON CAMERA."
No one cares except cranks and kooks.
"1. Why can't virologists extract purified virus particles from the infected patient sample without first:
a) introducting the unpurified patient sample to a cell culture; "
Showing that you have no understanding of science or laboratory techniques.
"b) starving the cell culture of nutrients;"
pfa
"c) poisoning the cell culture with antibiotic/antifungal drugs; "
pfa
"d) waiting for the cell culture to die (cythopathy), and then claiming the cell death was caused by the virus and not the steps a-c?"
No, you don't wait for cytopathy--you take the cell culture effluent and use it to infect animal models...e.g., mice, rats, cats, dogs, mink
You lot haven't bothered to take a hard look at your own argument.
Truth is not something. we can overlook and ignore. The key difference between germ theory and terrain theory is this:
Germ theory states that germs are the primary causative agents of most diseases.
Terrain theory states that our internal environment the primary agent responsible for the diseases and microbes are only given the “advantage” to grow and proliferate within a certain environment.
One of the most interesting twists in this story, is that Pasteur recanted on his deathbed over his entire life work, stating that “the microbe is nothing; the milieu is everything.” Another way of stating these words is that it is not the germ that causes disease, but the terrain in which the germ is found.
Hippocrates was the one who said “all disease begins in the gut”. So why are we not talking more about the Terrain Theory? Why are we not spending more $$$ to support lifestyle factors to build a strong terrain?
Poisoning the cell culture with antibiotic/antifungal drugs first. Terrain theory over demonology any day.
I spent ages trying to find the source that Pasteur said this, and as far as I can tell it was an urban myth that perpetuated without any originating proof.
Thanks. I am unsurprised. I will do some research to find out when the story hit that he recanted. https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/53293/did-louis-pasteur-admit-on-his-deathbed-bernard-the-inventor-of-terrain-theory
I have read thousands of scholarly articles and have yet to find any mention of any of this--not that it matters. We have seen human to animal model transmission of covid.
My past included a stint with the UC Student Lobby. Remarkable that as late as 1987 students working in UC labs had no lockers for dirty toxic lab coats or MSDS information in labs for cleaning spills. UC fought tooth and nail to not do so. Despite thousands of science articles on human health. Money not health runs the show. Ivan Ilich wrote on doctor caused illness the 1970's. Medical Nemesis.