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Can I make a suggestion? Can you pin a thread in the comments for people to add links/citations for research they believe is relevant/enlightening? I'm tired of wading through snarky replies when I only want the references to research for myself.

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Oct 6, 2023·edited Oct 6, 2023Author

Sure, let's give that a try!

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I have a ton of links like this:

https://www.bmj.com/content/349/bmj.g6182

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I’ve been an uncritical recipient of the flu shot for the last 29 years. In the last 10 years, I’ve had two terrible bouts of the flu that resulted in ruptured eardrums, even though I had received the flu shot. Having watched the lies told about the safety and efficacy of the Covid vaccine, this year i went searching for the efficacy and safety of the annual flu shot and found your piece on Mercola’s substack a few days ago. Thank you for taking the time to research and write it and thank you for taking the time to research and write your other insightful pieces. It’s so refreshing and heartening to find thoughtful, well researched, medical information.

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Thank you. My perspective essentially is I don't want to publish anything I'd regret publishing or feel I needed to significantly revise later on, so I spent more time to write less here.

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Thank you Doctor. I do want to put in a pitch for a future piece from you on fever management -- how to safely let a fever run its course and if there’s any point (.eg temperature point) where it’s advisable to bring the fever down through over-the-counter medication.

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Generally speaking I am a fan of letting a fever run its course and heating the body to reduce the discomfort in it. I've seen varying figures in textbooks over what constitutes a potentially unsafe fever, but normally that is when it's somewhere over 104.

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I agree with this BUT a nights sleep to me has often seemed worth it to take some ibuprofen

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We are learning to trust our God given bodies repair mechanisms than the “clinical protocol” of the moment.

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Fauci etc al recently published a piece in Cell Journal where he basically says that flu shots and the mRNA jabs have been basically worthless.

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Oct 6, 2023Liked by A Midwestern Doctor

I recall that - and at the very same time, he was hawking "boosters," etc.

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Yes, I saw that as well. It seemed to be a pitch for more funding for research.

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Every year I tell my allopathic MD NO when she suggests the flu jab. I tell her I like getting the flu. It’s a guaranteed 5-7 lb wt loss 🤣 She looks like she’s sucking lemons. Then when she recommended the Covid jabs I fired her. These imbeciles need to be FIRED.

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They just repeat what they are told :(

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By the grace of God, my husband survived a rare form of lymphoma through an allopathic stem cell transplant in 2019. At the onset of COVID, his doctors told him he would be among the last to receive the vaccine bc they needed to see how other at-risk groups responded (ie., safety and all). At the next visit (only a few months later), they insisted the vaccine was safe and also insisted that he take it. We had already determined not to take it. Over the next year two of his doctors in the Vanderbilt Stem Cell clinic told him (and I’m not exaggerating) that he would DIE if he got COVID and was unvaccinated. He survived the Delta variant in October 2021 at home. So there. To this day we still have to attend that clinic for his lymphoma followup. His doctors there still offer him annual vaccines, which he politely refuses. I wish the medical establishment would offer naturopathic doctors as an alternative.

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I also declined the C-19 vaccine despite being high risk - (overweight, diabetic, 60+) - but I had an informed, supportive treatment provider's guidance, meds, supps, oxcimeter, food, etc on hand. I was lucky, I was ill with one of the omicron variants in June '22. Better by day 4 but later had to take azithromycin and resume the C-19 treatment protocol (flccc.net) for 2 weeks. Delta was much worse than omicron. What did you and your husband do to get him through it?

My husband died from fast growing neuroendocrine tumors of the pancreas and liver 10 months post the J&J Jansen C-19 vaccine. CT scans for an abdominal aortic repair weeks prior to and after the vaccine showed no cancer. I miss him so much. He had no choice. Had to have it to cross an international border for his business.

Our goverment is intentionally misinforming the public to divide our country. Its heartbreakining. We need to keep getting our stories out there. Thank you.

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I am so sorry you lost your husband. Just such needless loss. And it must have been agonizing to feel compelled to do something that violated his conscience.

To answer your question, we elected to take the monoclonal antibody treatment. It was a single infusion. I thought it worked awesomely well bc I felt like death warmed over and within 24 hours of infusion, I felt almost normal. It’s interesting bc I’ve never heard about any followup research on the monoclonal antibody treatments even though they were EUA. Praying they weren’t rigged like the jabs. Since COVID, we haven’t really been sick, praise God.

I hope you stay well.

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Thanks Katrina. Peter McCullough, MD, who advocated strongly for use of early treatment protocols throughout the pandemic, also encouraged his high risk patients to use that treatment, and also got good results. So glad that option was available to you both!

Ironically, my husband never got C-19 - ( which we had confirmed with the nucleocapsid antibody test) - despite traveling and working in Alaska throughout the pandemic. He rarely was ill, had an amazingly responsive immune system...until he got a single dose of that vaccine. I was lucky. I worked for a county government that chose to not mandate the vaccine.

Sadly, my entire family was vaccinated, and eventually they all got C-19. In addition, my mother's partner's cancer, that had been successfully managed for years, got significantly worse post vaccination, and one of our teenage granddaughters developed type 1 diabetes around the same time my husband's illness and diagnosis. They both flew back from different parts of the world on the same day. I don't think that was a coincidence. I no longer trust the vaccine program. I instead keep on hand early treatment protocols for colds, influenza, and other viral infections. Am on day 7 of influenza, and am doing fine. After a lot of bed rest, was able to walk 3 miles yesterday! Am so happy for you both!

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So glad to hear that your health and stamina are returning! Do stay well! Hmm..I had not seen Dr. McCullough’s support of the monoclonal antibody infusions. I will have to try to dig around and find that. I would def like to see it. Take care!

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I think one of the overlooked "crimes" of this pandemic was the sudden withdrawal and/or restriction of the use of monoclonal antibodies. I am so glad to hear they worked for you and your husband. I truly believe they are what worked for President Trump when he finally contracted it. I don't think they were "rigged" because our pandemic rulers withdrew them when they saw people opting for them instead of taking the vaccines. They couldn't have those competing with the lucrative market of endless boosters. Sigh.

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Many condolences on the loss of your husband.

I could not agree with you more, that as you say, "we need to keep getting our stories out there."

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I’m so sorry

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My primary doc says I went from "I'll think about it" to "absolutely not" over the course of a year, when she offers shingles and flu shots. I guess my chart reflects growing obstinacy on my part. Almost like a black mark in her book.

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Dec 12, 2023·edited Dec 12, 2023

My doctor says I avoid going to see her. And says 'I know you don't want this medicine, but think about it'. Another looked incredulous when I refused a cholesterol check. 'Don't you believe in primary health care??' Well, yes I absolutely do - but it looks entirely different to theirs!

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Thank you! As a side note, when the Los Angeles Times and the media began shouting about hospitals being completely overrun with COVID patients, and that they had to put up tents for the overflow, a curious man went around to some of the hospitals to photograph the tents and found every one to be empty! He went in some ER units and also found them very minimally inhabited!

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ER units are small by definition because they're expensive, plus under normal circumstances there aren't that many patients who need them. Thus they're easy to overwhelm in an outbreak, but without stating the actual number of beds involved, saying that ICU's are overflowing is meaningless in terms of gauging overall risk to the general population.

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My hope is that people will begin to awaken to that.

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Which places had those waves and when vas very variable.

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It has now been unequivocally proven with documents that covid is not a virus from bats but venom from two snakes, the cobra and the Chinese krate snake. This venom has been and is distributed among the people in various ways, public water systems for one. Also with the covid injection loaded with more venom. Remdesivir is a dried powder form of snake venom. See Dr. Bryan Ardis interviews all over alternative media.

The Antidote to Cvid and Covid Injections, which are Snake Venoms:

https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/the-antidote-the-explosive-truth-origin-and-antidote-for-covid-19-share-everywhere/

Bryan Ardis Interview:

https://bastyon.com/index?v=a823364aaa3b8a03bef4d54ff537046d6aabdb43a979ef4dded37207592cb22e&video=1&ref=PK7PyLTnwDEoGV5gQCSM5kqZSscziJf1cB

New Mike Adams (4/14/2022): Dr. Bryan Ardis Reveals Bombshell Origins of COVID, mRNA Vaccines and Remdesivir — Full Series Plus Follow-up Q&A

Tuesday, April 12, 2022

https://beforeitsnews.com/prophecy/2022/04/new-mike-adams-dr-bryan-ardis-reveals-bombshell-origins-of-covid-mrna-vaccines-and-remdesivir-78000-views-2529649.html

Stew Peters and Dr. Ardis:

RENDESIVERE is Snake Venom:

WORLD PREMIERE: WATCH THE WATER FULL MOVIE

https://rumble.com/v10miez-world-premiere-watch-the-water.html?mref=3kxfj&mrefc=4

VenomTech company announces massive library of SNAKE VENOM peptides for pharmaceutical development; “nanocarriers” stabilize snake venom in WATER (PubMed) [Link]

Wednesday, April 13, 2022 by: Mike Adams

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The one vaccine injured person I knew who tried ardis's nicotine protocol got much worse from it.

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That watch the water documentary made me laugh. Covid is not a virus? Covid is snake venom that the government secretly put into water supplies? How did 1 chiropractor figure this all out, while all virologists and front line doctors had no idea it was snake venom all along? I wonder if Ardis is controlled opposition to discredit the covid heterodox movement.

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I cannot understand this snake venom mania.

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I've been listening to Dr. Ardis for some years now. The interview with Dr. Jane Ruby is also fascinating, where he speaks of learning of over 30 venoms from Italian researchers - rather than the 2 he'd been told about by the Chinese scientists! https://rumble.com/v1wvqlq-dr.-bryan-ardis-i-was-wrong-about-snake-venom-the-dr.-jane-ruby-show.html

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Haha ! I remember when I still went to church, one of my friends was a pharmacist, she promoted the flu jab, and I had just read that the former year the jab had a negative result. Another topic.

It is useless to try and explain what you say here to needle worshipers. It is very much apreciated, I wish you were a bit closer! Of course you would still starve with patients like me. I have a drawer full of herbal and homeopathic therapies and lately started experimenting with qi gong and accupressure. Very seldom it happens, that none of my remedies manage to help me. And now I read a book by former DR Guylaine Lanctot, she adds a spiritual note. Very interesting. The only think I can do is subscribe to your substack ! If you ever publish a book I will buy it. Thank you for sharing your wisdom.

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Thank you. A lot of people are trying to get me to publish a book, so at some point in the next 6 months I will; I'm just at a bit of a loss on what to have it be about.

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What I would like to have is a book meant for every household: what to do to prevent illness, what to do when one inevitably catches something, and what NOT to accept from one's doctor. There is so, so much information out there, and it's hard to know whom to trust. But I trust you.

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Doing that properly would take so much time I'd have to stop writing here for months to write it.

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Just publish your posts! I'd buy it, for sure!

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Well, we can't have that!

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You could use snippets from the book to post on your substack :)

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I hope you enjoy writing as much as I enjoy your writing 😊 I think you have a second career 🥰

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This!

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I used to be on inhalers. Doc said I had COPD while in the midst of bronchitis That never made sense to me. I stopped inhalers after a year. Massive headaches and joint pain. I got a nebulizer and use Mercolas HP protocol a few times a week. I have never felt better at 59 years young. Ps.. Nac too.!

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may I suggest you rework your substacks a bit ? specially the series about the function of water was very interesting. Right now I am reading Vibrational healing, and The blood and its third element from Bechamp. All your articles are worth reading, some a bit over my knowledge but that is fine ! that stimulates the brain ! Thanks again.

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Oct 6, 2023Liked by A Midwestern Doctor

Something like this only on a different topic(s) https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/books-by-dr-malcolm-kendrick/the-clot-thickens/

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Rework your Substack into a framework that connects the dots for the average person with no medical training. Special focus on critical thinking and informed consent, teaching people how to advocate for themselves. Perhaps a separate book comprising your deep dive topics- liquid crystalline water and zeta potential.

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Just categorize the chapters, compiling what you have written here.

I would buy it too.

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Everything you are normally talking about - would be fascinating.

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It has now been unequivocally proven with documents that covid is not a virus from bats but venom from two snakes, the cobra and the Chinese krate snake. This venom has been and is distributed among the people in various ways, public water systems for one. Then the covid injection is loaded with more venom. Remdesivir is a dried powder form of snake venom. See Dr. Bryan Ardis interviews all over alternative media.

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You are kidding yourself. The "data" has been intentionally fubarred from the start. Alert # 2, a March 24, 2020 CDC /NVSS missive sent to all state health depts, and theron, to us as clinicians, iterated the now famous (illegal) changes in creating , intentionally, the type of data corruption essential to the planned "vaccine" mass-injection to the populace. This was always about a vaccine, from the start, and not about any public health "science". The agencies were most assuredly NOT interested whether covid19 was better, the same, or worse than a typical influenza, regarding IFR. We were thus instructed by "Alert#2, that the underlying cause of death (UCD) was to be "Covid 19" for all deaths occurring within 28 days of a positive PCR (at 40+ cycle thresholds), regardless of the real cause of mortality. This was a key, and VERY intentional element in producing the worthless datasets you have tried to use, and bemoaned about, in your essay. Mission accomplished. Now you will NEVER be able to "inform the public", and help"create understanding" , because what you need has been ruined. Similarly, corrupted data was determined by all agencies round the world, by failing to correlate deaths with vaccination status. ( Forget about the additional ruses of altering 'vaxxed' to unvaxxed by waiting two weeks for both boosters to be classed as "vaxxed", and the EMR fiascos of making "vaxxed" a platform-dependent data entry).

The IFR appears different in contiguous countries bordering each other all over Europe, because of deliberate reporting differences; thats how Luxembourg had virtually no cases, Belgium a huge spike , during one "covid wave". Australia had not a single death certificate with influenza as a cause of death for around 18 months , during all their quarantines. How does that happen? Not testing at all for influenza helped here in USA to inflate covid diagnoses; besides- why admit someone to hospital with flu, when the same symptoms occur with covid19 as a dx, and the uptick in reimbursement is 20% with the latter dx? Why would a hospital administrator want to know that it was really flu, and not covid causing the symptoms?

There will be no data clarity- count on it.

M Weiss, MD

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Rancourt and others go over the disparity in jurisdictions in the US in granular detail.

AMD seems immune to investigating such sources yet is baffled as to what happened.

It wasn't an accident that the spike in NYC in Spring 2020 (and elsewhere) coincided precisely with the WHO declaration. Leading up to that declaration absolutely no evidence anywhere that there was some anomalous seasonal illness coming not to mention that this "event" happened after the normal respiratory illness season was winding down.

You have to believe the most amazing of confabulations to believe some of the unwarranted assumptions in this piece.

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I have to agree. Trying to "prove" anything from garbage numbers gives you a garbage statistical result. The PCR test was rigged from the get-go and was NEVER meant to "diagnose" anything per Kary Mullis. And the answer rests right here ->Without the fake PCR tests, there would never have been a so-called "pandemic".

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There is a lot of baloney sandwich in this post for sure.

Ask yourself: Why does the truth about NYC pose such a risk?

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This is not some minor side issue it's the whole ballgame.

If it is proven that the story we were fed from NYC and N Italy are complete lies then the entire "Covid pandemic narrative" and all its various tentacles (lab leak e.g.) are proven to be a complete lie.

If it is proven that there is no "shadowy group of terrorists" then the entire "War on Terror" is bogus.

I would go so far as to say making statements listed below without presenting hard data to back it up is irresponsible:

"...my close colleagues in areas like New York City experienced waves of COVID-19..."

"For this reason, you would see hospitals periodically get flooded with COVID patients..."

"In contrast to our experiences, many of my colleagues in New York City... regularly had their hospitals become overloaded with COVID patients and repeatedly saw those waves in real time..."

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Correct.

What does COVID mean?

Does it have another meaning - a meaning tied to an operation?

Coordinated Operation for Vaccine-Induced Deaths? (Referring to the flu shot of 2019)

"Coronavirus, Opioid, and Vaccine-Induced Deaths”

ICD code U07.1 can go on forever under that one

Just keep reclassifying and reclassifying.

I'm speculating, of course, but nothing about NYC adds up.

I have a feeling "A Midwestern Doctor" very much knows that.

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What's a COVID patient?

Waves of what?

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Thank you AMD for all your wonderful articles. Your Substack and Dr. Mercola’s are my “must reads”. I am amazed that you can research and write as much as you do while still treating patients. And yes, you definitely should write a book! I am a healthy 82 year old retired RN that has not taken any vaccines since childhood and I have not been to a doctor since my last child was born. This is mainly because of what I witnessed as an RN during my working years and because I lost both my mother and husband to “medical mistakes”. However if I could find a doctor like you who is open minded and critical thinking I might change my mind. 😉

I am responsible for my own health care and I believe my body can heal itself if I give it what it needs and don’t poison it with toxins, ie. drugs and vaccines. I do a lot of research and take supplements and so far so good. I did get Covid and was pretty sick followed by some erratic blood pressure and mild pericarditis, but have completely recovered now. However, I found myself second guessing yesterday after incurring a fairly serious puncture wound in my foot in a dirty environment. Should I get a tetanus booster since I don’t have any idea when I had my last one or should I uphold my vow to never get another vaccine? I started researching and found that the newest research shows that there is no need for a booster if the series of childhood vaccines were completed then one should have immunity for life. So I feel pretty confident in my decision not get the booster. My chances of having a reaction from a tetanus booster is probably much greater than that of getting tetanus.

I learned from Dr. Becker that over vaccination causes problems for animals. She said that most dogs have immunity for life after the initial puppy shots, so I always had titers done for my dog and sure enough he never needed another vaccine his whole life. Vaccines are big money for the veterinary industry too. Too bad we humans can’t have titers done to show we don’t need all those vaccinations! 😂

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Oct 5, 2023·edited Oct 5, 2023Liked by A Midwestern Doctor

I only had "the flu" once. But it was not respiratory.

I was so dizzy and sick I could not walk for two days. I did not eat or drink for days, and had to move around the house on my hands and knees.

That was about .... 1978 my last year of nursing school

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I am still waiting for someone to tell us how to identify covid from the rest of the cold/flu spectrum by clinical signs.

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I am sorry but you will need to wait very very long....

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Oct 5, 2023·edited Oct 5, 2023

In recent years I've come to the same conclusion using logic and basic immunology 101 knowledge about suppressing fevers. I remember all the times I was sick, put on a jumper and after a night of sweat-soaked sleep, waking up feeling fresh and better.

Re: flu and covid vaccines - I like to joke that the people lining up for them are not unlike heroin junkies, believing the answer to their issues can be solved with just another needle in the arm. I watch all the affluent and "educated" people around me taking these shots every year and still getting sick regularly. Whereas I abstain and rarely get sick because I actually put in the work and live a lifestyle that keeps me healthy and fit. Just goes to show there are no shortcuts in life.

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The down side of discovering how Covid reveals the corruption that permeates our healthcare system is that one becomes even more of an outsider among colleagues.

My perstners and I are peaceful but no longer have conversation about the pandemic and corruption.

Because of all the dark corruption I’ve seen with regard to the Covid vaccine my gut told me the flu vaccine likely may also be a corrupted product. I always took it for the sake of my patients. This year I declined. The 2016 Cochrane review you referenced verified my suspicion. Thanks for that. And for pushing me further into oddball territory.

Regarding risk from Covid vs flu. When the pandemic began I dug hard for data on mortality. I discovered flu mortality is all over the map and unspecified. No systematic effort is made to define it. All estimates are crude at best. This is bizarre. As if there’s no real interest. Why I wondered.

What I did discover is that Covid mortality was being communicated based on case fatality numbers rather than infection fatality. This exaggerated risk by about 50 times. It was too systematic to be an amateur error or oversight. I knew then we had a big problem. What followed has caused me to question everything.

I’ve written about the new normal that is profoundly abnormal here:

arlieesau.com

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Greetings from one dweller in Oddball Territory to another :)

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MwD... Thanks for this. Truly one of your best!

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I know I said this in the post, but it really blew my mind that no one actually knows how deadly the flu is.

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What is flu? A condition, where a person has a toxic burden and is malnourished? Or an invasion and replication of a virus in the lungs? What is the mechanism by which D3 "neutralizes" the "virus"? Why is IV vitamin C efficacious for people "hospitalized with flu and or pneumonia"? (Recall, the CDC amalgamates diagnoses of flu and pneumonia).

It is as if you channel the worst of Vincent Racaniello. Did you NEVER see the Peter Doshi piece on flu deaths? (See BMJ, volume 331, 10 December 2005).

To paraphrase prof. John Henrik Clarke, "you keep surprising me with what you have NOT read."

Or to channel my inner AMD, "it really blows my mind that you actually do not know: (a) there is no flu virus; and (b) how rare flu deaths are."

Next week, can you write about the cancer genes, and how poliomyelitis virus has existed for thousands of years, but for some reason flaccid paralysis (infantile paralysis) was never diagnosed or mentioned in medical literature until the late 1800s.

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"The more I study medicine, the more I’ve come to believe that business rather than science dictates what governs how medicine is practiced."

Exactly true. Here in Thailand there is no meaningful flu vaccination program. There is also not really a flu season, though I've certainly seen people get colds and the like especially during the rainy periods. Vitamin D supplementation immediately changed my grandmother's susceptibility to every little sniffle or bug going around: before that she seemed to be catching little problems 4-5 times per year, but after vitamin D supplements she had almost none. Always follow the money...

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Outstanding article. Before Covid, the flu - and getting your flu shot - was the greatest scam in medical history. The 50 state health agencies and the CDC might as well have been Flu Vaccine Promotion Agencies.

I've done a tremendous amount of research on different flu seasons and must have read 300 articles about the flu. I really cannot remember one of these articles that did not have this sentence:

"Doctors say it's not too late to get your flu shot."

The article I'd read just spent 15 paragraphs documenting that this year's flu shot did NOT work - but the trusted experts still want everyone to keep getting this shot. That should tell us everything we need to know about the healthcare profession today.

Basically, doctors and "public health" agencies want you to get vacccines that we KNOW don't work.

And this was the template for the Covid vaccine. Americans were conditioned to believe they had to get a "vaccine" - even if it didn't work!

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I've noted much the same wishy-washy trend in popular articles about vitamins and other supplements. Half the article will say that vitamin supplants are useless, and that too much of certain ones are potentially harmful. Perhaps even that a healthy diet will supply all needed nutrients. Yet they will mention, the near the end of the article effect, that many people don't in fact get enough of all nutrients in the diet, therefore some supplements might be indicated.

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I've been saying this since 1987, that flu shots were nothing more than preparation of the public to accept and eventually demand total government intervention in their lives. It's a horrifying thing to watch.

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Between this quote: "During that flu season, I clearly recalled that each patient I saw who had been hospitalized or put onto a ventilator had received that year’s flu shot, whereas no one I knew who had not vaccinated had any issues with that year’s flu." and this quote: "A huge business exists that revolves around making people afraid of the seasonal flu so vaccines can be sold each year." ... we have to start realizing, maybe these "viruses" aren't what's been told to us.

I recently wrote about a paradigm shift occurring (https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/a-paradigm-shift-is-occurring) and if we take into consideration that our modern "health" care is a paradigm in which involves profits on conditions (https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/donating-to-a-good-cause-how-billionaires)- yet BETTER OUTCOMES are achieved when the treatment is avoided - we must come to the realization that our modern health care paradigm is FLAWED.

By coming to this realization, we can then embrace a new paradigm of true health, leaving this old one behind: https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/the-religious-tenants-of-scientism

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Dear FOK: This ain't MY health care paradigm. (lol).

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And the flu shot is also on the list of required vaccinations for immigrants. I harp on about this but it’s just so wrong and I’m so weary of it all. It actually says on the website that vaccinations should only be on the list if they protect against a disease that has the potential to cause an outbreak or protect against a disease eliminated in the USA. Seeing as the flu and COVID vaccines do neither of these I actually believe it is unlawful for these to even be on the list. What danger does an immigrant coming into the USA with COVID actually pose right now. And considering the vaccine doesn’t prevent transmission it doesn’t even make sense. I’m so sick of living in this crazy world where common sense has been abandoned.

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Dear JJ, good point. But what about all the other fraudulent, toxic, and never helpful "vaccines"? Best

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Yes they are all on the list too.

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Thank you so much for this article.

I am following my doctor’s orders to “never have a flu shot”. Those orders given to me by three doctors since 1961. I have never had a flu shot, and never will. In all those years I can count on one hand when I’ve had the flu. I’m not one to run immediately to the doctor...,rather let my body run it’s course. Raised our kids the same way. All of us are blessed with a strong immune system that we are so thankful for.

I have praise for my doctors over my life span. However, two of them passed away, and one retired. In the last three years after doing a lot of research, I now am synced with a Homeopathic doc.

Sadly I have family members in the medical field who are just so done with present day medicine, and a friend slated to enter medical school, but declined because of how so much had changed in the medical field.

So, again, thank you Midwest doc for all your excellent information!

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