This is your best piece yet. Stripped of the personal anecdotes, it is an excellent primer on the state of the world at this point. (I have learned over hundreds of papers that no one cares about my personal experience as such...lol. The antibodies to anecdotes are strong.) Many thanks for doing this.
Still editing it! I'm trying to get a good balance between having the immunology be accurate, cover the key points and not be too lengthy or detailed for the lay reader. It's really challenging...
This lay reader is still reading it, section by section, and sharing sections with friends and family. I appreciate the format; the length cannot be helped if you want to be thorough. This is excellent. No criticism at all.
I completely agree. I also feel all md's should read this. I kinda have a feeling they wouldn't stomach it as well as the layperson though! Minds set, programmed, perhaps. Following a herd of their own. I have a couple laypeople in mind I can pass this along to, yet I sincerely doubt they will read it. They keep putting these "important sharings" on the back burner. I haven't given up yet though.
Gotta be persistent. One of the reasons I am putting so much time into this is so I can share the things that best make the arguments everyone is trying to express.
How do you insist that you don't like the Grass Green PA. You need to see the Doctor, in this case a Gastro, I have 3 more than likely 4 Barrett's Esophagus precancerous spots REMOVED, as Barrett's cancer is on the rise. And age has to be factored in. This is a 14 Gastro Stand A Lone practice with a complete center, at least 4 of them do the removal with 20-30 experience. I am not your typical niave patient. My every 3 year Upper endscope is in Nov.
As a budding writer, I find it daunting. I'm nearly 74, and learned much about the medical system the very hard way. I'm the eldest of four kids, of a WW2 Army Airborne Sgt, of Itillian descent, US Citizen, under Gen. MacArthur, who after the war worked as a boilermaker in a large steel mill, until he fell off a scalfold and damaged neck discs. Strange back then the surgeon didn't do the now usual Metal hardware, but used bone taken from his hips to make new discs. Dispite the more primitave Malaria prevention, he had Malaria bouts. He died of VA Care missed, 6 weeks became 3 months of Hospice at home Lung Cancer, constant exposure of toxic air, along with being a heavy smoker.
And you draw on that knowledge, and weave it in. 50 years of self learning, and learning the hard way. We all have stories to tell.
Experimental emergency use authorized injections end up circulating mRNA Spike proteins in blood serum and "Can Not" prevent infection from a "airborne" lab created bioweapon Sars2-Cov (virus)!
AIRBORNE lab created bioweapon Sars2-Cov by design (targets) attaches to "Mucus Cells" that are lining nasal passages, sinus, bronchial airways, lungs and the intestinal track etc.
Take a drinking straw and plug one end with chewing gum, use a syringe filled with red colored water and fill the straw. Then plug that open end with chewing gum. The red colored water cannot reach the outside (airways-mucus cells) of the drinking straw, i.e. the exp. injections are in the wrong place to prevent infection from the lab created airborne Sars2-Cov bioweapon.
Every person involved with this Fraud is guilty of Treason by supporting acts of Bioterrorism against the Security of their sovereign nation(s).
It's neither treason nor sedition, it's more likely fraud and potentially reckless homicide, and perhaps conspiracy to commit those crimes - that's how I'd charge it. Reckless homicide would probably be the charge most likely for convictions, because the evidence shows that there is a lethal risk of what looks to be fairly high probability, this risk was well known, and yet the dangerous advice was still given to those who had no knowledge of the lethal risk...
Agreed, a masterpiece. This article could justifiably be appended to RFK Jr.'s book as a final chapter. What is most potently revealed here, and elsewhere, is that the perpetrators of what can only be called mass premeditated murder, crimes against humanity, an abomination in every sense, comprise the near entirety of BigPharma, all the 3-letter agencies such as WHO, FDA, all the hospitals and administrators, a great majority of doctors who work in these institutions, a great majority of doctors in private practice as well, BigMedia,... it is indeed more difficult to name someone who was not among the perpetrators as even a great majority of the public at large bought the "vaccine" lies hook, line, and sinker, provided cover for the crime, agitated against those who had doubts, made it difficult for friends and family to refuse "vaccination"...
So, we are between a rock and a hard place: were the crimes to be admitted, there are few indeed who could get a not guilty verdict in crimes ranging from genocide, all the way "down" to non-assistance in an emergency. The only way out of all this would be to declare a general amnesty, at least for all those citizens below a certain level of complicity, to be determined. But BigPharma and its henchmen will never back down, the consequences would be horrific for the entire system we call "The West". Game Over.
I honestly have no idea how old this is going to play out, I'm just trying to do what I can to help shift the final result in a positive direction, but at the same time I feel like a drop in the ocean compared all the forces that are moving around me.
I know the feeling, but whatever can be done is what we try to do - none are expected to achieve anything further. As for me, I find that various projections of what may happen helps in knowing what might be done, so I read widely. RFK's book in the final chapter 12 provides some astonishing and well-referenced scenarios of what is to come, and it is not enjoyable reading. Nevertheless, and although Yogi Berra famously said, "Predictions are hard to make, especially about the future," I urge absolutely everyone to read this entire book. An accurate and totally referenced history of 30 years of abominations all leading to the present one, all devised, created and patented by BigPharma and BP's lackeys and henchmen, and finally, in chapter twelve, in their own words what they now intend to do. All for 3 bucks in digital, readable with the Amazon app. No excuse for ignoring it, neither is it a valid excuse by thinking you already know most of the story: BELIEVE ME, YOU DO NOT.
Quite a bit of what I've written here is sourced from that book. I was familiar with most of it's content before it was written, but RFK accomplished the extremely impressive feat of unraveling a very tangled web of corruption. I am trying to do the same thing here, but in smaller portions so people's brains can process it and don't overload and turn off.
We are indeed b/w a rock and a hard place! We are not getting to a "general amnesty" with out real action and tension. How many years did Mandela spend in prison on the island? 27 or something. They got to Truth and Reconciliation only after decades of struggles. And what good did it do. According to Thomas Piketty, wealth and income inequality in South Africa 30 years after the end of apartheid resulted in absolutely no change in inequality. Let me repeat, after the change in regime from white to black the distribution of wealth in income was no different - just as stratified and unequal. We are experiencing a complete corruption and capture of all aspects of our culture, society and economy. Who wants to take the radical step and admit that to themselves. Too crushing. And if we do admit and try to do something, the forces of evil and power are incredibly sophisticated and resourced. They have all the media and messaging and public relations mechanisms behind them.
We have a very well crafted run through here by our good Midwestern Doctor. Share it widely. Who will listen? Gonna take some time. This is a collapse of a moral vision of life.
First of all, I really appreciate your work. Experience, knowledge, compassion, intelligence, insight, and a good amount of fierceness!! I have never been to South Africa, but would like to. Piketty's point in Capital and Ideology is that wealth and income distribution has little to do w political systems or social systems. The Communist Party, 5% of China's pop, controls most of the wealth. In SoAfrica blacks took over from whites and abolished apartheid but the distribution of wealth and income remains exactly what it was, which is not very fair. Gini coefficient. It is interesting also to ruminate on the UK's diaspora - US, Canada, Australia, NZ, and So Africa. Thanks for the Dutch/Boers. So Af did not abjectly capitulate like Canada, Auz and NZ. Isn't it interesting that three of the anglo saxon settler regimes flipped to whuzzy WEF New Leaders. So much for Banjo Patterson and the Outback. But So Africa has held in there. 35% vaxxed, maybe. Good data, reasonably good healthcare, survivor of the scourge of AIDS and wiser for it. And Tim Noakes lives there!! He was tried and prevailed. Thanks for all you do!!
Long before I was born, my parents lived in Johannesburg (diplomats). This was the 1950s, the golden age of South Africa (at least for Whites; let's not sugar coat it -- this was Apartheid when Whites ran things). I'm sure there was what bleeding hearts would today term "racial inequality," but consider the following anecdote: At one of the diamond mines, they would routinely transport diamonds worth a huge sum via an ordinary (non-white) bike courier. The risk of theft or robbery was near zero. Yes folks, the "law and order" was that good. Those days are long gone, never to return. The USA and Europe have deteriorated somewhat in the intervening 70 years too.
Unless the clinical trials cabe shown to be fraudulent, and this fraudulent result was presented to induce Congress to do something it otherwise would not do, there aren't going to be any legal remedies for any of this for anyone you mention - and add to that sovereign immunity for Federal three-letter agencies - due to the existence of the PREP Act: "In a declaration effective February 4, 2020 (the HHS Declaration), the Secretary of HHS (the Secretary) invoked the PREP Act and declared Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) to be a public health emergency
warranting liability protections for covered countermeasures. Under the HHS Declaration and its amendments, covered persons are generally immune from legal liability (i.e., they cannot be sued for money damages in court) for losses relating to the administration or use of covered countermeasures against COVID-19. The sole exception to PREP Act immunity is for death or serious physical injury caused by “willful misconduct.” However, individuals who die or suffer serious injuries directly caused by the administration of covered countermeasures may be eligible to receive compensation through the Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program (CICP).
Courts have characterized PREP Act immunity as “sweeping.” It applies to all types of legal claims under state and federal law. For example, under state tort law, individuals who suffer injuries caused by the intentional or negligent acts or omissions of another person may generally sue that person to recover monetary compensation. Thus, in the health care context, if a health care provider negligently administers a drug or device that causes a foreseeable injury to a patient, the injured person may be able to sue the provider for compensation under state tort law.
Federal laws such as the PREP Act may preempt state tort laws—as well as other state and federal laws—in certain contexts. Preemptive federal legislation displaces state law to alter the usual liability rules or immunize certain individuals from liability. In the PREP Act, Congress made the judgment that, in the context of a public health emergency, immunizing certain persons and entities from liability was necessary to ensure that potentially life-saving countermeasures will be efficiently developed, deployed, and administered." https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/LSB/LSB10443
About the only way you could change that would be to retroactively repeal the law by showing that the emergency declaration was induced by fraud. But you'd have to show willful misconduct beyond a reasonable doubt, essentially a crime and its requisite intent, and then to the standard of proof required by criminal proceedings, to get any other sort of relief in any other sort of matter. Of course, if you're contemplating legal action, the best advice is for you to seek legal counsel licensed in the state where you intend to file suit, preferably counsel who has practiced before the judge(s) who would be most likely to hear the matter. Appellate experience up to and including SCOTUS wouldn't be a bad idea, either. This is not a legal opinion and should not be construed as such.
Vaccines are never designed. They are developed using trial and error. Any product must be designed for safety. Vaccines are therefore unsafe by definition.
Vaccines and Biologics injury table based on mechanistic evidence – Feb 2020 Covering over 125 conditions
How can one "catch" a "virus" that has never been isolated? (Not a single "virus" has ever been isolated.)
Why is the theory of "viral infection" taken for granted, while no such infection has ever been successfully generated among volunteers, including the ones during the 1918 fake "pandemic"? (In an NIH paper in 2018, Fuxxi himself admitted after exhuming the 1918 victims that up to 95% of them had died of bacterial pneumonia, most likely caused by the mandatory muzzles.)
How can a "viral infection" be diagnosed, if the virus has not been isolated? Antigens? Not a single “antigen” has ever been isolated, either…
Why is a PCR test used for "diagnosis" that even its Nobel-Prize-winning inventor said was useless for diagnosis (but it's excellent for acquiring the test subjects' DNA, because that is exactly what it was made for)? Why is the same fraudulent "test" used for the other two invented illnesses (that are actually real conditions caused by poisoning), "monkeypox" and the "bird flu"?
No "vaccination" is possible for an illness that doesn't exist, especially because all "vaccines" are basically poisons without ANY benefits whatsoever...
It has been isolated. The issue is that the definition of what constitutes being isolated keeps on being changed to sustain the argument you are raising. It is true that there are a lot of holes in the viral theory and a variety of incorrect assumption made from it, but that does not prove viruses do not exist in the first place.
Thank you for this. We need more people in the counter-narrative space sticking to the evidence. Many people make a mistake of going from "the establishment is lying to us" to "everything the establishment says is a lie." This reasoning causes people to jump from "the Covid vaccines are not safe and effective" to "germ theory is a hoax." It is hard to sort out truth from falsehood in the current environment. But the evidence for some mainstream views, like that viruses make people sick, is pretty solid.
Thank you. Every though I am doing this anonymously and I hold some fairly unconventional views, I am trying to do everything on here responsibly since I have a large platform. One of my biggest fears is perpetuating an actual falsehood on here.
Don't worry, Doc, I am sure most of us, including me, appreciate your efforts!
If that's some consolation, human epistemology sucks! :) Based on the mechanisms and limitations of human understanding, we can never be completely right.
Still, it might be a good idea to stick to things that work, instead of stuff that works towards killing most of humanity and enslaving the rest, while turning them into cyborgs.
The only thing that might prevent that from happening is the abandonment or, at least, a temporary suspension, of Germ Theory. It shouldn't be hard, because it has been proven to be wrong in many ways...
Sometime around 1985, I settled for cognitive science (of my flavor), because I got sick (it may have been a variant of “covid”! :) ) of the intellectual masturbation of "philosophers." Delved into computers, linguistics, physics, mathematics, and even to biology to a certain extent (although I was always unhappy about the lack of consistent working paradigms in chemistry and biology).
By the time I turned 19, I had accumulated a shitload of "knowledge" from the thousands of books I had read and the subsequent considerations. I felt literally suffocated and I felt I was about to die, unless I let go. Letting go also felt like a leap in the dark, an intellectual salto mortale, but I had no choice. All of a sudden, the stuffy and dark inner place of my soul was filled with light and felt like living in a miracle. After that, I never had a problem about letting go and starting over from scratch. It ALWAYS brought about something better! :)
Why don't you try to assemble evidence instead? You might need your eyes for that and rolling them will not help. :) This does NOT have to be a faith-based system...
I can't waste any more effort on people who are brainwashed. You know where I am, I know where you are, (our pages), so let's carry on and keep in touch. We tried! I'm tired of beating my head against brick walls. xo
Ray Horvath is correct, according to our basic understanding of logic. We work on the concept of falsifiability. Declarations of the existence of invisible things that cause illness is NOT proof. The onus of proof is on those who advocate germ theory. There are no contagious viruses. Please read Flexner (1909) on polio. They could not infect monkeys with "polio" until they injected toxic matter directly into their brains!!! Hardly a "virus."
And what if Germ Theory IS a hoax? But I don't see that anyone on this thread is saying that "everything the establishment says is a lie." Even if that's the case, nobody has said that. So... logical fallacy of over-generalization.
You see, David, people think in systems (cognitive models geared towards addressing problems), when trying to think consistently.
Systems vary in complexity, but they all require an initial premise that is accepted without questioning.
That is where the fraudulent "science," Virology fails; the initial premise is simply not believable, because there are more functional explanations to the phenomena Virology is supposed to address than the ones codified and institutionalized... Even the subsequent segmentation of the findings fails to convince...
FYI, in 1918, many volunteers tried to "get infected" by the "virus," but all attempts failed (blood transfusion and inhaling sick people's coughs come to mind).
NO, it hasn't been isolated. So many LIES... You are hypnotized. You are incapable of facing the reality that is going on. Read about MASS FORMATION-- that is what you and many, many doctors are enveloped in. You've been absorbed by the Borg of Big Pharma from the beginning. I don't blame you, I blame the BORG. But only you can break free. You have to have the courage to QUESTION.
>>>> VIRUSES DO NOT EXIST in the way Big Pharma and the Medical Community has been training doctors to think. YOU ARE BEING MANIPULATED, and you are a distraction from the Truth. What Ray says above is right on. Wake up, if you want to be a true healer, because right now you are part of the problem, even if you think you are helping. You are being a TOOL FOR EVIL, by distracting from the truth.
Conversely, if your argument is incorrect, then by endorsing it, that results in me espousing disinformation that derails and prevents important non-conventional information from reaching the light of day and that conduct harms a lot of people.
I have personally spent time with many of the doctors who are leading advocates of this theory and I've listened to their case with an open mind. Some of what they say is accurate, but they can't substantiate or prove many of claims they make.
DO SOME RESEARCH. You don't have to believe Ray or myself. It's "out there." But it's being CENSORED. When can you remember, before 2019, censorship to this degree, so blatantly? Of DOCTORS?
And until you're willing to consider the possibility that this is indeed a giant fraud, you will continue to "feel" this way. I have seen intelligent, educated people, over and over, simply look right through all sorts of evidence of foul play and they just can't take it in... It's a question of how to deprogram someone, like cult members, it's a kind of hypnosis and those who are hypnotized simply CANNOT see it.
I would also like to keep the discussion within the perimeter of civility. I'm sure Jaan means well, too.
The question is, "what is the objective?" The controllers imprisoned and poisoned half of the world's population for no good reason. They have failed to prove their premises in the last 100 years, but they control the media and they control "medical" training as well. Something is stinking in Denmark...
Terrain Theory leaves much to be desired, but it still has explanatory power that Germ Theory fails to provide.
The burden of proof lies on the fraudsters (it is obvious that the worldwide genocide has been promoted based on lies and more lies).
Fighting the monsters on their home turf with their own tools is doomed to fail...
But is disproves the possibility of viral infections... Toxic overload, still, as far as I can see, can result in shedding that can poison other people, too. Thinking about Semmelweis...
The burden of proof for a scientist or scholar who asserts the existence of something is on them to prove this existence.
Virtually all of those in the current debates on this matter (Bailey's, Cowan, Kaufman et al) are not saying that viruses don't exist they are saying that there has never been any concrete scientific proof of their existence.
That is a big difference from point blank asserting they do not exist.
Using established scientific methodology germ theory is at best just that- a nascent theory waiting for actual evidence to arrive that it is valid.
The manner in which "virus isolation" is currently done is not just hilariously absurd it is profoundly dishonest and serves a deeply destructive agenda.
I will say I'm surprised that anyone who has read Dissolving Illusions isn't a bit more critical of germ theory. If nothing else (and it did much more) Humphrie's book showed that not only are the "proofs" of the vaccine story complete rubbish but the very story which birthed these poisonous injections is a complete crock that served political ends.
Due to this (and other factors) your profession has been turned into a wrecking ball that produces far more pain and suffering than it allays.
Some people think of "viruses" as evil killer invisible thingies that come from somewhere (?? where??) and attack and kill you for no apparent reason (unlike the nasties that inhabit, say, old food, or dead bodies...). Some people think of them as exosomes, created by our own bodies, to help cleanse the body of toxins and diseased cells... HELPERS, not KILLERS.
Jaan is a very excitable dog. I may sound angry, but I'm not. I'm just frustrated and trying to SHOUT in silent type! I have supported AMWD for as long as I've read this page... S/he is smart, and I think a good heart. It's just frustrating, as you know, Ray, to see all these smart, educated people blindly running into the same wall, repeatedly, and not seeing it. Plus I'm really stressed out. So, I apologize to everyone for seeming to be out of my civil suit, as it were.
Some of them CAN and DO prove their claims. But who of the doctors that claim the other side can substantiate and prove THEIR claims? We are supposed to take all these long years of Germ Theory as FACT, when much of it has never been proven. Contagion, for instance.
Bro, you just posted on this thread earlier "DARPA has been working on bioweapons for YEARS. Test runs with all these previous "viruses" like Bird Flu, Swine Flu, West Nile, Ebola, Zika... Testing on little children, Fauci has basically murdered foster kids to "test" his jabs... This shit has been going on for decades... all leading up to this Globalist takeover..."
And now you're saying viruses dosent exist? So DARPA has been developing many bio weapons that actually dosent exist? If not, what are the zika, bird flu, and etc? I'm a little confused here, if you could further elabored on that, i'll be thankfull :)
I'm not very convinced of the argument that virus arent real and so on, but, most of the things that i took for truth were proven to be wrong during my lifetime....so i always keep an open mind. Do you have any good source, scientific based, to support that?
It is definitely a question of definition, whether it changes or not.
At this point, I am inclined to believe Pasteur, who admitted in his dairy (donated to Princeton University by his last descendant in 2014) that he was a fraud.
When the foundation stinks, the whole house does.
It is a logical fallacy to try to prove that something doesn't exist. Think about how Wittgenstein got onto Bertrand Russell's nerves in Cambridge by challenging him that "it is impossible to prove that there is no rhinoceros in the room!" :)
The burden of evidence is on the fraudsters and they have had over 100 years to provide proof; they haven't.
Pasteur was far worse than a fraud, he was a well connected con artist, plagiarizer and among other things super secretive with his scientific "discoveries." He disallowed scrutiny of his work which was wise of him for it would have revealed the medieval ramblings of a mediocre mind.
Kinda reminds me of Rockefeller's great-granddaddy or Edison. :)
It is still a bit embarrassing that Beuchamp was not exactly an angel, either, although his Terrain Theory possesses a lot more explanatory power than Pasteur's Germ Theory does.
The monsters have all the money in the world; after all, it is they, who make the taxpayer "borrow" the money at an interest, while distributing it among themselves.
These days, it's more about control, but the killers apparently enjoy taunting their victims and what can be more humiliating than making the person to be hanged to pay for the rope?
"the killers apparently enjoy taunting their victims"
Their narcissism will be their downfall, because it makes their intentions transparent to the emotionally intelligent. More and more people are waking up. I'm just waiting for the tipping point.
Yes, and today I got caught up, AGAIN, in trying to talk someone I like a lot into opening the eyes and seeing, knowing full well it's an exercise in futility. This Globalist Attack on the entire species is teaching me Zen-- how to let go-- I can't save anybody who doesn't ask-- but I have my moments of weakness...
Could you tell us who isolated it and where? Doesn't it also have to be purified? I can't remember the name of the doctors who said it has not been isolated and purified?
It has been shown on eletron microscopy, it has been photographed infecting living cells and it has been able to contaminate cells that are innoculated with it. At the end of the day it isn't really possible to prove more than that.
It should be possible to sequence the purported genome from a sample from a sick individual. As far as I can find, the genome is assembled from genetic fragments with computer software, not sequenced from an intact viral particle. If they can't do this first step, how can any of the rest follow? How can you design a PCR test when you have not identified the particle you are looking for first?
If you know how they "isolate" a virus, it has to do with putting a lot of other stuff in there, dead cells from monkey kidneys and all kind of trashy stuff... It's pretty funny, really, but they don't advertise all that...
The problem is that it is unclear what has been shown and photographed and no infection has ever been proven... Some particles moving around prove literally nothing...
Dude, what is the point of your NONSENSICAL and vacuous declarations. "It has been shown ..." Point to a PUBLISHED reference. Photographs of living cells?
Were those cells inside a living mammal?
Contaminate cells that are "inoculated"?
One cannot inoculate a CELL. The word "inoculate" means to place something that is not/cannot be seen. To inoculate someone was to put something UNDER their skin.
This does not sound like the same guy who was writing months ago about smallpox. Why all the lack of specificity? Now you sound like a shill for pharma. Where is the commitment to truth and falsifiability (aka positivistic science)?
By "isolation," they mean the "virus" is somewhere in a toxic brew with dying cells and deducing that the cells are dying because of the "virus," while the cells are being poisoned and/or deprived of nutrients necessary for life.
This particular response [Ray Horvath] is really not helpful for purposes of lay readers. One respondent called it a rabbit hole. I agree. Way down in the weeds.
Please, ask for clarification, as needed. I do have the habit of implying too much that is hard to infer for some. Still, I don't believe there are too many "lay readers" here. Most visitors, in my experience, possess the intellectual capacity to process the information posted on this site...
Also, for more details about my current stance (it changes as new information keeps coming in), you can read my articles on my Substack.
Sorry, you offered a logical fallacy. We do not prove a negative. The onus of proof is on those who applied the term virus to mean a microscopic pathogen.
Have you reviewed the changes in the meaning of the word "virus" - from the 1700s into the 20th century?
Until the 20th century, virus meant the pus - clearly seen in a vesicle. Read Jenner (1798; 1799) or White (1885).
The idea that viruses were invisible things that somehow floated in the ether and made people sick was developed with the invention of "poliomyelitis". Please note that Flexner was one of the first to declare that he had pictures of "polio virus".
Infantile paralysis (aka polio), like Guillain-Barre syndrome, was caused by injections, and or heavy metal poisoning - hence, Klenner was able to CURE kids with IV vitamin C. Because there was no exogenous virus that was contagious, and hence no virus caused paralysis, the "photos" of the white spheres were NOT polio - disease causing - viruses. Where is the measles virus? Stefan Lanka made the bet. Why not demonstrate it. Same with so-called SARS-CoV-2. If YOU think that it has been "isolated", then tell us where we can find ONE governmental office that has a copy or the genetic make-up of said virus.
What you're saying isn't obvious to most people. It took me a year to accept the possibility that pretty much everything I'd been made to believe about "viruses" and vaccines was wrong. I had to do my own research and connect the dots. People aren't typically willing to change their worldview overnight, it's a process ;)
In December, 2019, I also believed in viruses and pandemics, mostly because of the predictive programming for decades and the homogeneous lies of Rockefellerian "Medicine." As I expected a military-grade bioweapon, I assumed it would have a built-in date of expiry of no more than three months, so I stocked up on reserves for six.
Still, I immediately decided that even if the "virus" would kill 98-99 out of a hundred, I would refuse to live in fear, because I had grown up in a neighborhood, where one learns that living in fear is worse than death at an early age.
Of course, it soon turned out that mortality rates in several countries were lower than usual up until September, 2020, when the controllers noticed they had screwed up the figures and started doctoring them retroactively. There was no pandemic.
In the meanwhile, I had plenty of time to investigate and there was no doubt about the conclusion, which is what I keep posting all over the place.
If Germ Theory were eliminated, there would be no excuse for criminal edicts and the general poisoning of the population would become quite obvious (5G, chemtrails, and a large number of traditional chemicals).
Thanks for sharing your story. I am with you 100%. Started researching the AIDS hoax. WOW. Eye opening to say the least. Way too many similarities here. The people with SNOTS (Socialism.Nazi.Olygarchy.Totalitarian.Syndrome) just dusted off their AIDS hoax, polished it up with better propaganda and psyops, and away they went. Not to be trite, but once you see it, you can't unsee it.
His fingerprints go deep and wide. Hollywood's lack of creativity, Superhero Movie, Superhero Movie 2, 3, 4, 5, Redux...is a tell. The people with SNOTS just dust off the old, repackage it, getter better marketing, um, I mean psyops, and sell it. This is their Achilles heel. We just need to be better at saying, the Superman story is the same no matter how many remakes there are.
Yup, there is a lot of predictive programming about "viruses" and "pandemics" in movies in the last 50 years that include conditioning viewers to place their trust in the "medical" establishment. The "Superman" stories are meant to make people believe that they cannot do anything without superhuman abilities. :)
I personally I believe there is a lot that is not entirely correct with the existing viral model, and I believe in both the pleomorphic model of biology and terrain theory... But neither of those in anyway disprove the existence of viruses. The Best example I've ever come across for obvious invalidating example to the viruses do not exist theory is one:ebola due to its unique microscopic appearance and it's immediate distinct severe illness (I also have friends who helped with the Ebola response in Africa) and two: the fact that bacteriophages work as effective anti-microbial therapies.
Ebola? The "super" infectious but NOT really contagious disease, that just so happens to pop up in war-torn areas, and places with selenium deficient diets? Hmm. Scurvy was contagious too ... er, never mind. I see, hear, smell, think, believe, VIRUS!!!
There isn't really anything else I can say on this topic, so I am not debating it further (it eats a lot of time and goes nowhere). The two things I will specifically ask you to ponder is what:
-What brought you to the place where you are actively accusing someone who is clearly opposed to big Pharma and taking a leadership role against them of being a shill?
-How can you claim to understand what happened with Ebola if you were never there and did not see the carnage firsthand? This is like claiming to be an invincible fighter who has never actually actually fought a single match (which is very common to observe on the internet). The ebola outbreaks were horrific, and nothing like you are describing.
Please forgive me. I did not mean to say that I think you are a shill for Pharma.
As for Ebola, I would challenge you to dig into the facts. Much like "monkey pox" which suddenly appeared in 1970 - after Europeans and WHO representatives both injected monkeys and people with "vaccines", Ebola arrived after the "HIV/AIDS" campaigns. It was found in war torn areas, where people had limited access to food, clean water, and or were subjected to a lot of allopathic toxicity.
I know very little about monkey box so I cannot comment on it. There is a good case to be made that HIV was spread and Africa through contaminated polio vaccinations. There is also a case to be made that ebola was engineered in a weapons lab. However, none of that negates the fact that ebola has been catastrophic in places where it has gotten out, and much of the spread from it is not through contaminated vaccinations.
Yes, bacteriophages! I have read about those. I am just a lay person, but I found them such an interesting and fascinating topic. I read a book, unfortunately do not remember title or author at the moment, but weren't there even pictures of bacteriophages from microscopes? I am sorry I can't explain it better, English is not my native language.
What a pity this blog is being miused by impractical ideologists who deny virusses and their abilities.
Do they deny the existence of electronics? Have they ever isolated and seen an electron? Should they use computers then?
In the end everything is an abstraction and certain anti-virals have been proven to work in certain conditions. Which terrain theory medical interventions have proof of better practical accomplishments?
It's a silly discussion anyway. It's like the discussion whether light is a wave or a particle. If both theories of the nature of something can be used practically then they can also both be right.
The discussion is a diversion and I suspect people who try to change the subject to it are either trolls for the narrative or need to see their shrink.
I'm a bit stuck on that question because I know this is a common tactic used to derail voices who challenge the prevailing narrative, but some of the people pushing the "viruses aren't real message" were here from the very start before there was an incentive for trolls to surface and have been sincere throughout their history on here. My aim with this thread is to say what I have to say on this issue and when it's brought up in the future to refer people to this comment thread.
There are terrain theory inventions that are remarkably effective I use in my clinical practice, but very few people are aware they exist.
That all said "It's a silly discussion anyway. It's like the discussion whether light is a wave or a particle. If both theories of the nature of something can be used practically then they can also both be right" PRECISELY summarizes my feelings on this entire topic!
An extremely common approach used to destabilize anti-establishment movements is to place agents within them who advocate for significantly more absurd concepts and then fracture the movement into factions while discrediting the entire movement to outside observers because these agents are able to make a scene and attract the majority of the focus the community gets. I've worked with a variety of season activists, and they've all found for their movement to succeed, they have to be able to spot these agents and kick them out before they derail the movement. Likewise, within the conspiracy field, I feel around 30-40% of the conspiracies out there are made up for the purpose of derailing and discrediting the movement because enough people who innately distrust the system will pick up anything that disagrees with it.
I agree. I seen "vaccine" injury facebook groups that have picked up a couple people who I suspect are trolls sent there to make mischief. They claim there is no such thing as germ theory and totally ignore just how much modern medicine that would invalidate, and have no alternative explanations for diseases or how things like antibiotics appear to have cured infections.
I don't think all the "No germ theory" people are shills or trolls though. Some of them are sincere, just less-than-rational. I've been there (on other issues), being bipolar 2.
This is your best piece yet. Stripped of the personal anecdotes, it is an excellent primer on the state of the world at this point. (I have learned over hundreds of papers that no one cares about my personal experience as such...lol. The antibodies to anecdotes are strong.) Many thanks for doing this.
Still editing it! I'm trying to get a good balance between having the immunology be accurate, cover the key points and not be too lengthy or detailed for the lay reader. It's really challenging...
As a lay reader, you have been successful. Thank you for all your work.
This lay reader is still reading it, section by section, and sharing sections with friends and family. I appreciate the format; the length cannot be helped if you want to be thorough. This is excellent. No criticism at all.
I completely agree. I also feel all md's should read this. I kinda have a feeling they wouldn't stomach it as well as the layperson though! Minds set, programmed, perhaps. Following a herd of their own. I have a couple laypeople in mind I can pass this along to, yet I sincerely doubt they will read it. They keep putting these "important sharings" on the back burner. I haven't given up yet though.
Gotta be persistent. One of the reasons I am putting so much time into this is so I can share the things that best make the arguments everyone is trying to express.
How do you insist that you don't like the Grass Green PA. You need to see the Doctor, in this case a Gastro, I have 3 more than likely 4 Barrett's Esophagus precancerous spots REMOVED, as Barrett's cancer is on the rise. And age has to be factored in. This is a 14 Gastro Stand A Lone practice with a complete center, at least 4 of them do the removal with 20-30 experience. I am not your typical niave patient. My every 3 year Upper endscope is in Nov.
1st modern Scamdemic declared by US CDC
1976 | CDC Director Sencer Questioned On Swine Flu Vaccine. Vaccine X53A Was Never Field Tested. https://youtu.be/Zn5AE09kKOA
As a budding writer, I find it daunting. I'm nearly 74, and learned much about the medical system the very hard way. I'm the eldest of four kids, of a WW2 Army Airborne Sgt, of Itillian descent, US Citizen, under Gen. MacArthur, who after the war worked as a boilermaker in a large steel mill, until he fell off a scalfold and damaged neck discs. Strange back then the surgeon didn't do the now usual Metal hardware, but used bone taken from his hips to make new discs. Dispite the more primitave Malaria prevention, he had Malaria bouts. He died of VA Care missed, 6 weeks became 3 months of Hospice at home Lung Cancer, constant exposure of toxic air, along with being a heavy smoker.
And you draw on that knowledge, and weave it in. 50 years of self learning, and learning the hard way. We all have stories to tell.
Perhaps try a few short of paragraphs?
Experimental emergency use authorized injections end up circulating mRNA Spike proteins in blood serum and "Can Not" prevent infection from a "airborne" lab created bioweapon Sars2-Cov (virus)!
AIRBORNE lab created bioweapon Sars2-Cov by design (targets) attaches to "Mucus Cells" that are lining nasal passages, sinus, bronchial airways, lungs and the intestinal track etc.
Take a drinking straw and plug one end with chewing gum, use a syringe filled with red colored water and fill the straw. Then plug that open end with chewing gum. The red colored water cannot reach the outside (airways-mucus cells) of the drinking straw, i.e. the exp. injections are in the wrong place to prevent infection from the lab created airborne Sars2-Cov bioweapon.
Every person involved with this Fraud is guilty of Treason by supporting acts of Bioterrorism against the Security of their sovereign nation(s).
It's neither treason nor sedition, it's more likely fraud and potentially reckless homicide, and perhaps conspiracy to commit those crimes - that's how I'd charge it. Reckless homicide would probably be the charge most likely for convictions, because the evidence shows that there is a lethal risk of what looks to be fairly high probability, this risk was well known, and yet the dangerous advice was still given to those who had no knowledge of the lethal risk...
Agreed, a masterpiece. This article could justifiably be appended to RFK Jr.'s book as a final chapter. What is most potently revealed here, and elsewhere, is that the perpetrators of what can only be called mass premeditated murder, crimes against humanity, an abomination in every sense, comprise the near entirety of BigPharma, all the 3-letter agencies such as WHO, FDA, all the hospitals and administrators, a great majority of doctors who work in these institutions, a great majority of doctors in private practice as well, BigMedia,... it is indeed more difficult to name someone who was not among the perpetrators as even a great majority of the public at large bought the "vaccine" lies hook, line, and sinker, provided cover for the crime, agitated against those who had doubts, made it difficult for friends and family to refuse "vaccination"...
So, we are between a rock and a hard place: were the crimes to be admitted, there are few indeed who could get a not guilty verdict in crimes ranging from genocide, all the way "down" to non-assistance in an emergency. The only way out of all this would be to declare a general amnesty, at least for all those citizens below a certain level of complicity, to be determined. But BigPharma and its henchmen will never back down, the consequences would be horrific for the entire system we call "The West". Game Over.
I honestly have no idea how old this is going to play out, I'm just trying to do what I can to help shift the final result in a positive direction, but at the same time I feel like a drop in the ocean compared all the forces that are moving around me.
I know the feeling, but whatever can be done is what we try to do - none are expected to achieve anything further. As for me, I find that various projections of what may happen helps in knowing what might be done, so I read widely. RFK's book in the final chapter 12 provides some astonishing and well-referenced scenarios of what is to come, and it is not enjoyable reading. Nevertheless, and although Yogi Berra famously said, "Predictions are hard to make, especially about the future," I urge absolutely everyone to read this entire book. An accurate and totally referenced history of 30 years of abominations all leading to the present one, all devised, created and patented by BigPharma and BP's lackeys and henchmen, and finally, in chapter twelve, in their own words what they now intend to do. All for 3 bucks in digital, readable with the Amazon app. No excuse for ignoring it, neither is it a valid excuse by thinking you already know most of the story: BELIEVE ME, YOU DO NOT.
Quite a bit of what I've written here is sourced from that book. I was familiar with most of it's content before it was written, but RFK accomplished the extremely impressive feat of unraveling a very tangled web of corruption. I am trying to do the same thing here, but in smaller portions so people's brains can process it and don't overload and turn off.
We are indeed b/w a rock and a hard place! We are not getting to a "general amnesty" with out real action and tension. How many years did Mandela spend in prison on the island? 27 or something. They got to Truth and Reconciliation only after decades of struggles. And what good did it do. According to Thomas Piketty, wealth and income inequality in South Africa 30 years after the end of apartheid resulted in absolutely no change in inequality. Let me repeat, after the change in regime from white to black the distribution of wealth in income was no different - just as stratified and unequal. We are experiencing a complete corruption and capture of all aspects of our culture, society and economy. Who wants to take the radical step and admit that to themselves. Too crushing. And if we do admit and try to do something, the forces of evil and power are incredibly sophisticated and resourced. They have all the media and messaging and public relations mechanisms behind them.
We have a very well crafted run through here by our good Midwestern Doctor. Share it widely. Who will listen? Gonna take some time. This is a collapse of a moral vision of life.
Somewhat unrelated, but a lot of really great alternative medical innovations come out of South Africa!
First of all, I really appreciate your work. Experience, knowledge, compassion, intelligence, insight, and a good amount of fierceness!! I have never been to South Africa, but would like to. Piketty's point in Capital and Ideology is that wealth and income distribution has little to do w political systems or social systems. The Communist Party, 5% of China's pop, controls most of the wealth. In SoAfrica blacks took over from whites and abolished apartheid but the distribution of wealth and income remains exactly what it was, which is not very fair. Gini coefficient. It is interesting also to ruminate on the UK's diaspora - US, Canada, Australia, NZ, and So Africa. Thanks for the Dutch/Boers. So Af did not abjectly capitulate like Canada, Auz and NZ. Isn't it interesting that three of the anglo saxon settler regimes flipped to whuzzy WEF New Leaders. So much for Banjo Patterson and the Outback. But So Africa has held in there. 35% vaxxed, maybe. Good data, reasonably good healthcare, survivor of the scourge of AIDS and wiser for it. And Tim Noakes lives there!! He was tried and prevailed. Thanks for all you do!!
Long before I was born, my parents lived in Johannesburg (diplomats). This was the 1950s, the golden age of South Africa (at least for Whites; let's not sugar coat it -- this was Apartheid when Whites ran things). I'm sure there was what bleeding hearts would today term "racial inequality," but consider the following anecdote: At one of the diamond mines, they would routinely transport diamonds worth a huge sum via an ordinary (non-white) bike courier. The risk of theft or robbery was near zero. Yes folks, the "law and order" was that good. Those days are long gone, never to return. The USA and Europe have deteriorated somewhat in the intervening 70 years too.
Unless the clinical trials cabe shown to be fraudulent, and this fraudulent result was presented to induce Congress to do something it otherwise would not do, there aren't going to be any legal remedies for any of this for anyone you mention - and add to that sovereign immunity for Federal three-letter agencies - due to the existence of the PREP Act: "In a declaration effective February 4, 2020 (the HHS Declaration), the Secretary of HHS (the Secretary) invoked the PREP Act and declared Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) to be a public health emergency
warranting liability protections for covered countermeasures. Under the HHS Declaration and its amendments, covered persons are generally immune from legal liability (i.e., they cannot be sued for money damages in court) for losses relating to the administration or use of covered countermeasures against COVID-19. The sole exception to PREP Act immunity is for death or serious physical injury caused by “willful misconduct.” However, individuals who die or suffer serious injuries directly caused by the administration of covered countermeasures may be eligible to receive compensation through the Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program (CICP).
Courts have characterized PREP Act immunity as “sweeping.” It applies to all types of legal claims under state and federal law. For example, under state tort law, individuals who suffer injuries caused by the intentional or negligent acts or omissions of another person may generally sue that person to recover monetary compensation. Thus, in the health care context, if a health care provider negligently administers a drug or device that causes a foreseeable injury to a patient, the injured person may be able to sue the provider for compensation under state tort law.
Federal laws such as the PREP Act may preempt state tort laws—as well as other state and federal laws—in certain contexts. Preemptive federal legislation displaces state law to alter the usual liability rules or immunize certain individuals from liability. In the PREP Act, Congress made the judgment that, in the context of a public health emergency, immunizing certain persons and entities from liability was necessary to ensure that potentially life-saving countermeasures will be efficiently developed, deployed, and administered." https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/LSB/LSB10443
About the only way you could change that would be to retroactively repeal the law by showing that the emergency declaration was induced by fraud. But you'd have to show willful misconduct beyond a reasonable doubt, essentially a crime and its requisite intent, and then to the standard of proof required by criminal proceedings, to get any other sort of relief in any other sort of matter. Of course, if you're contemplating legal action, the best advice is for you to seek legal counsel licensed in the state where you intend to file suit, preferably counsel who has practiced before the judge(s) who would be most likely to hear the matter. Appellate experience up to and including SCOTUS wouldn't be a bad idea, either. This is not a legal opinion and should not be construed as such.
"badly designed vaccines"
Vaccines are never designed. They are developed using trial and error. Any product must be designed for safety. Vaccines are therefore unsafe by definition.
Vaccines and Biologics injury table based on mechanistic evidence – Feb 2020 Covering over 125 conditions
https://zenodo.org/record/3647593
How can one "catch" a "virus" that has never been isolated? (Not a single "virus" has ever been isolated.)
Why is the theory of "viral infection" taken for granted, while no such infection has ever been successfully generated among volunteers, including the ones during the 1918 fake "pandemic"? (In an NIH paper in 2018, Fuxxi himself admitted after exhuming the 1918 victims that up to 95% of them had died of bacterial pneumonia, most likely caused by the mandatory muzzles.)
How can a "viral infection" be diagnosed, if the virus has not been isolated? Antigens? Not a single “antigen” has ever been isolated, either…
Why is a PCR test used for "diagnosis" that even its Nobel-Prize-winning inventor said was useless for diagnosis (but it's excellent for acquiring the test subjects' DNA, because that is exactly what it was made for)? Why is the same fraudulent "test" used for the other two invented illnesses (that are actually real conditions caused by poisoning), "monkeypox" and the "bird flu"?
No "vaccination" is possible for an illness that doesn't exist, especially because all "vaccines" are basically poisons without ANY benefits whatsoever...
It has been isolated. The issue is that the definition of what constitutes being isolated keeps on being changed to sustain the argument you are raising. It is true that there are a lot of holes in the viral theory and a variety of incorrect assumption made from it, but that does not prove viruses do not exist in the first place.
Thank you for this. We need more people in the counter-narrative space sticking to the evidence. Many people make a mistake of going from "the establishment is lying to us" to "everything the establishment says is a lie." This reasoning causes people to jump from "the Covid vaccines are not safe and effective" to "germ theory is a hoax." It is hard to sort out truth from falsehood in the current environment. But the evidence for some mainstream views, like that viruses make people sick, is pretty solid.
Thank you. Every though I am doing this anonymously and I hold some fairly unconventional views, I am trying to do everything on here responsibly since I have a large platform. One of my biggest fears is perpetuating an actual falsehood on here.
Don't worry, Doc, I am sure most of us, including me, appreciate your efforts!
If that's some consolation, human epistemology sucks! :) Based on the mechanisms and limitations of human understanding, we can never be completely right.
Still, it might be a good idea to stick to things that work, instead of stuff that works towards killing most of humanity and enslaving the rest, while turning them into cyborgs.
The only thing that might prevent that from happening is the abandonment or, at least, a temporary suspension, of Germ Theory. It shouldn't be hard, because it has been proven to be wrong in many ways...
Epistomology is one of my favorite subjects!
Sometime around 1985, I settled for cognitive science (of my flavor), because I got sick (it may have been a variant of “covid”! :) ) of the intellectual masturbation of "philosophers." Delved into computers, linguistics, physics, mathematics, and even to biology to a certain extent (although I was always unhappy about the lack of consistent working paradigms in chemistry and biology).
By the time I turned 19, I had accumulated a shitload of "knowledge" from the thousands of books I had read and the subsequent considerations. I felt literally suffocated and I felt I was about to die, unless I let go. Letting go also felt like a leap in the dark, an intellectual salto mortale, but I had no choice. All of a sudden, the stuffy and dark inner place of my soul was filled with light and felt like living in a miracle. After that, I never had a problem about letting go and starting over from scratch. It ALWAYS brought about something better! :)
Thank you for saying this. Every time I see somebody claim that viruses are a hoax, my eyes roll all by themselves.
Why don't you try to assemble evidence instead? You might need your eyes for that and rolling them will not help. :) This does NOT have to be a faith-based system...
I can't waste any more effort on people who are brainwashed. You know where I am, I know where you are, (our pages), so let's carry on and keep in touch. We tried! I'm tired of beating my head against brick walls. xo
I handle them by making fun of them for a while, and ignore them afterwards. Still, as you are saying it, too, sometimes, they are too much.
Actually, I had a troll today whom I simply told, "This was painful, but at least revealing." and left it at that. :)
Well, that's scientific proof that you're right!! ;)
Dear TWH:
Ray Horvath is correct, according to our basic understanding of logic. We work on the concept of falsifiability. Declarations of the existence of invisible things that cause illness is NOT proof. The onus of proof is on those who advocate germ theory. There are no contagious viruses. Please read Flexner (1909) on polio. They could not infect monkeys with "polio" until they injected toxic matter directly into their brains!!! Hardly a "virus."
And what if Germ Theory IS a hoax? But I don't see that anyone on this thread is saying that "everything the establishment says is a lie." Even if that's the case, nobody has said that. So... logical fallacy of over-generalization.
Something doesn't become true even if millions are saying it...
Right. But false arguments annoy me.
It bothered me to the point that I even posted an article about it today (the same as one of my previous comments here):
https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/why-people-cannot-agree?utm_source=%2Fprofile%2F42034032-ray-horvath-the-source-&utm_medium=reader2&s=w
You see, David, people think in systems (cognitive models geared towards addressing problems), when trying to think consistently.
Systems vary in complexity, but they all require an initial premise that is accepted without questioning.
That is where the fraudulent "science," Virology fails; the initial premise is simply not believable, because there are more functional explanations to the phenomena Virology is supposed to address than the ones codified and institutionalized... Even the subsequent segmentation of the findings fails to convince...
FYI, in 1918, many volunteers tried to "get infected" by the "virus," but all attempts failed (blood transfusion and inhaling sick people's coughs come to mind).
NO, it hasn't been isolated. So many LIES... You are hypnotized. You are incapable of facing the reality that is going on. Read about MASS FORMATION-- that is what you and many, many doctors are enveloped in. You've been absorbed by the Borg of Big Pharma from the beginning. I don't blame you, I blame the BORG. But only you can break free. You have to have the courage to QUESTION.
>>>> VIRUSES DO NOT EXIST in the way Big Pharma and the Medical Community has been training doctors to think. YOU ARE BEING MANIPULATED, and you are a distraction from the Truth. What Ray says above is right on. Wake up, if you want to be a true healer, because right now you are part of the problem, even if you think you are helping. You are being a TOOL FOR EVIL, by distracting from the truth.
Conversely, if your argument is incorrect, then by endorsing it, that results in me espousing disinformation that derails and prevents important non-conventional information from reaching the light of day and that conduct harms a lot of people.
I have personally spent time with many of the doctors who are leading advocates of this theory and I've listened to their case with an open mind. Some of what they say is accurate, but they can't substantiate or prove many of claims they make.
DO SOME RESEARCH. You don't have to believe Ray or myself. It's "out there." But it's being CENSORED. When can you remember, before 2019, censorship to this degree, so blatantly? Of DOCTORS?
That's the point. I have done a lot of research on this area and what I've shared is how I presently feel on this subject.
And until you're willing to consider the possibility that this is indeed a giant fraud, you will continue to "feel" this way. I have seen intelligent, educated people, over and over, simply look right through all sorts of evidence of foul play and they just can't take it in... It's a question of how to deprogram someone, like cult members, it's a kind of hypnosis and those who are hypnotized simply CANNOT see it.
Maybe not to this degree, but those of us interested in nutritional research are familiar with the concept.
I would also like to keep the discussion within the perimeter of civility. I'm sure Jaan means well, too.
The question is, "what is the objective?" The controllers imprisoned and poisoned half of the world's population for no good reason. They have failed to prove their premises in the last 100 years, but they control the media and they control "medical" training as well. Something is stinking in Denmark...
Terrain Theory leaves much to be desired, but it still has explanatory power that Germ Theory fails to provide.
The burden of proof lies on the fraudsters (it is obvious that the worldwide genocide has been promoted based on lies and more lies).
Fighting the monsters on their home turf with their own tools is doomed to fail...
Terrain theory being true does not disprove the existence of viruses!
But is disproves the possibility of viral infections... Toxic overload, still, as far as I can see, can result in shedding that can poison other people, too. Thinking about Semmelweis...
The burden of proof for a scientist or scholar who asserts the existence of something is on them to prove this existence.
Virtually all of those in the current debates on this matter (Bailey's, Cowan, Kaufman et al) are not saying that viruses don't exist they are saying that there has never been any concrete scientific proof of their existence.
That is a big difference from point blank asserting they do not exist.
Using established scientific methodology germ theory is at best just that- a nascent theory waiting for actual evidence to arrive that it is valid.
The manner in which "virus isolation" is currently done is not just hilariously absurd it is profoundly dishonest and serves a deeply destructive agenda.
I will say I'm surprised that anyone who has read Dissolving Illusions isn't a bit more critical of germ theory. If nothing else (and it did much more) Humphrie's book showed that not only are the "proofs" of the vaccine story complete rubbish but the very story which birthed these poisonous injections is a complete crock that served political ends.
Due to this (and other factors) your profession has been turned into a wrecking ball that produces far more pain and suffering than it allays.
Some people think of "viruses" as evil killer invisible thingies that come from somewhere (?? where??) and attack and kill you for no apparent reason (unlike the nasties that inhabit, say, old food, or dead bodies...). Some people think of them as exosomes, created by our own bodies, to help cleanse the body of toxins and diseased cells... HELPERS, not KILLERS.
Jaan is a very excitable dog. I may sound angry, but I'm not. I'm just frustrated and trying to SHOUT in silent type! I have supported AMWD for as long as I've read this page... S/he is smart, and I think a good heart. It's just frustrating, as you know, Ray, to see all these smart, educated people blindly running into the same wall, repeatedly, and not seeing it. Plus I'm really stressed out. So, I apologize to everyone for seeming to be out of my civil suit, as it were.
Some of them CAN and DO prove their claims. But who of the doctors that claim the other side can substantiate and prove THEIR claims? We are supposed to take all these long years of Germ Theory as FACT, when much of it has never been proven. Contagion, for instance.
I think you getting trolled here...ignore it or delete it
The good doc can do as they wish. I ain't no troll, I LIKE this page, and doc knows that.
Bro, you just posted on this thread earlier "DARPA has been working on bioweapons for YEARS. Test runs with all these previous "viruses" like Bird Flu, Swine Flu, West Nile, Ebola, Zika... Testing on little children, Fauci has basically murdered foster kids to "test" his jabs... This shit has been going on for decades... all leading up to this Globalist takeover..."
And now you're saying viruses dosent exist? So DARPA has been developing many bio weapons that actually dosent exist? If not, what are the zika, bird flu, and etc? I'm a little confused here, if you could further elabored on that, i'll be thankfull :)
I'm not very convinced of the argument that virus arent real and so on, but, most of the things that i took for truth were proven to be wrong during my lifetime....so i always keep an open mind. Do you have any good source, scientific based, to support that?
The Word Herder and Ray Horvath, "The Source" :) do not exist.
???
We're not real! OMG!!!!!!!!!!!
LOL I'm right freakin' here! And trust me, I exist.
This contributor reads like AI-generated text... Quite rudimentary at that... :)
Right; I caught the 5G. :) Do you listen to Jeff Rense? He and Erica Kahn portray "viruses don't exist" people as ribbeting bullfrogs.
Can you ask your programmer to reprogram you into someone more intelligent or, at least, more entertaining, please?
https://jaancarter.substack.com/
https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/compartmentalized-medicine-turns?s=w
It is definitely a question of definition, whether it changes or not.
At this point, I am inclined to believe Pasteur, who admitted in his dairy (donated to Princeton University by his last descendant in 2014) that he was a fraud.
When the foundation stinks, the whole house does.
It is a logical fallacy to try to prove that something doesn't exist. Think about how Wittgenstein got onto Bertrand Russell's nerves in Cambridge by challenging him that "it is impossible to prove that there is no rhinoceros in the room!" :)
The burden of evidence is on the fraudsters and they have had over 100 years to provide proof; they haven't.
Pasteur was far worse than a fraud, he was a well connected con artist, plagiarizer and among other things super secretive with his scientific "discoveries." He disallowed scrutiny of his work which was wise of him for it would have revealed the medieval ramblings of a mediocre mind.
Kinda reminds me of Rockefeller's great-granddaddy or Edison. :)
It is still a bit embarrassing that Beuchamp was not exactly an angel, either, although his Terrain Theory possesses a lot more explanatory power than Pasteur's Germ Theory does.
But, but, but, .... Money.
I think Pasteur was a fraud, too. And like now, "virus" theory and Germ Theory generally became accepted because MONEY.
The monsters have all the money in the world; after all, it is they, who make the taxpayer "borrow" the money at an interest, while distributing it among themselves.
These days, it's more about control, but the killers apparently enjoy taunting their victims and what can be more humiliating than making the person to be hanged to pay for the rope?
"the killers apparently enjoy taunting their victims"
Their narcissism will be their downfall, because it makes their intentions transparent to the emotionally intelligent. More and more people are waking up. I'm just waiting for the tipping point.
Yes, and today I got caught up, AGAIN, in trying to talk someone I like a lot into opening the eyes and seeing, knowing full well it's an exercise in futility. This Globalist Attack on the entire species is teaching me Zen-- how to let go-- I can't save anybody who doesn't ask-- but I have my moments of weakness...
To me, it seems that their over-confidence will be their undoing, but not until they manage to exterminate much, if not all, of humanity.
Could you tell us who isolated it and where? Doesn't it also have to be purified? I can't remember the name of the doctors who said it has not been isolated and purified?
It has been shown on eletron microscopy, it has been photographed infecting living cells and it has been able to contaminate cells that are innoculated with it. At the end of the day it isn't really possible to prove more than that.
It should be possible to sequence the purported genome from a sample from a sick individual. As far as I can find, the genome is assembled from genetic fragments with computer software, not sequenced from an intact viral particle. If they can't do this first step, how can any of the rest follow? How can you design a PCR test when you have not identified the particle you are looking for first?
I concur. "Covid" as a "viral infection" existed and exists only on TV and in computer simulations...
If you know how they "isolate" a virus, it has to do with putting a lot of other stuff in there, dead cells from monkey kidneys and all kind of trashy stuff... It's pretty funny, really, but they don't advertise all that...
The problem is that it is unclear what has been shown and photographed and no infection has ever been proven... Some particles moving around prove literally nothing...
Dude, what is the point of your NONSENSICAL and vacuous declarations. "It has been shown ..." Point to a PUBLISHED reference. Photographs of living cells?
Were those cells inside a living mammal?
Contaminate cells that are "inoculated"?
One cannot inoculate a CELL. The word "inoculate" means to place something that is not/cannot be seen. To inoculate someone was to put something UNDER their skin.
This does not sound like the same guy who was writing months ago about smallpox. Why all the lack of specificity? Now you sound like a shill for pharma. Where is the commitment to truth and falsifiability (aka positivistic science)?
By "isolation," they mean the "virus" is somewhere in a toxic brew with dying cells and deducing that the cells are dying because of the "virus," while the cells are being poisoned and/or deprived of nutrients necessary for life.
Scientific fraud, if there has ever been one...
There are many. Some top names that come to mind are Sam Baily, Tom Cowan, Andy Kaufman...
This particular response [Ray Horvath] is really not helpful for purposes of lay readers. One respondent called it a rabbit hole. I agree. Way down in the weeds.
Please, ask for clarification, as needed. I do have the habit of implying too much that is hard to infer for some. Still, I don't believe there are too many "lay readers" here. Most visitors, in my experience, possess the intellectual capacity to process the information posted on this site...
Also, for more details about my current stance (it changes as new information keeps coming in), you can read my articles on my Substack.
This line is seen from time to time and is a rather pointless misdirection. I am unsure what the point of the argument really is about.
Which argument? :)
Dear AMD:
Sorry, you offered a logical fallacy. We do not prove a negative. The onus of proof is on those who applied the term virus to mean a microscopic pathogen.
Have you reviewed the changes in the meaning of the word "virus" - from the 1700s into the 20th century?
Until the 20th century, virus meant the pus - clearly seen in a vesicle. Read Jenner (1798; 1799) or White (1885).
The idea that viruses were invisible things that somehow floated in the ether and made people sick was developed with the invention of "poliomyelitis". Please note that Flexner was one of the first to declare that he had pictures of "polio virus".
Infantile paralysis (aka polio), like Guillain-Barre syndrome, was caused by injections, and or heavy metal poisoning - hence, Klenner was able to CURE kids with IV vitamin C. Because there was no exogenous virus that was contagious, and hence no virus caused paralysis, the "photos" of the white spheres were NOT polio - disease causing - viruses. Where is the measles virus? Stefan Lanka made the bet. Why not demonstrate it. Same with so-called SARS-CoV-2. If YOU think that it has been "isolated", then tell us where we can find ONE governmental office that has a copy or the genetic make-up of said virus.
Best wishes
John Calvin Jones, PhD, JD
What you're saying isn't obvious to most people. It took me a year to accept the possibility that pretty much everything I'd been made to believe about "viruses" and vaccines was wrong. I had to do my own research and connect the dots. People aren't typically willing to change their worldview overnight, it's a process ;)
They are running late to complete the process...
In December, 2019, I also believed in viruses and pandemics, mostly because of the predictive programming for decades and the homogeneous lies of Rockefellerian "Medicine." As I expected a military-grade bioweapon, I assumed it would have a built-in date of expiry of no more than three months, so I stocked up on reserves for six.
Still, I immediately decided that even if the "virus" would kill 98-99 out of a hundred, I would refuse to live in fear, because I had grown up in a neighborhood, where one learns that living in fear is worse than death at an early age.
Of course, it soon turned out that mortality rates in several countries were lower than usual up until September, 2020, when the controllers noticed they had screwed up the figures and started doctoring them retroactively. There was no pandemic.
In the meanwhile, I had plenty of time to investigate and there was no doubt about the conclusion, which is what I keep posting all over the place.
If Germ Theory were eliminated, there would be no excuse for criminal edicts and the general poisoning of the population would become quite obvious (5G, chemtrails, and a large number of traditional chemicals).
Thanks for sharing your story. I am with you 100%. Started researching the AIDS hoax. WOW. Eye opening to say the least. Way too many similarities here. The people with SNOTS (Socialism.Nazi.Olygarchy.Totalitarian.Syndrome) just dusted off their AIDS hoax, polished it up with better propaganda and psyops, and away they went. Not to be trite, but once you see it, you can't unsee it.
I learned a lot from Peter Deusberg's book.
You are walking a tightrope over the truth. JUST TRUST AND JUMP.
Yup, and AZT was also Fuxxi:
https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/azt-in-the-injections
Remdesivir must not be forgotten, either...
His fingerprints go deep and wide. Hollywood's lack of creativity, Superhero Movie, Superhero Movie 2, 3, 4, 5, Redux...is a tell. The people with SNOTS just dust off the old, repackage it, getter better marketing, um, I mean psyops, and sell it. This is their Achilles heel. We just need to be better at saying, the Superman story is the same no matter how many remakes there are.
Yup, there is a lot of predictive programming about "viruses" and "pandemics" in movies in the last 50 years that include conditioning viewers to place their trust in the "medical" establishment. The "Superman" stories are meant to make people believe that they cannot do anything without superhuman abilities. :)
Preach it, Ray. xo You are ON IT.
The truth is never popular. :)
I fell down that rabbit hole once.
Maybe this helps you climb out.
Its a pretty technical subject but isolating nanoparticles who only replicate in cells isn't like filtering coffee or even bacteria
https://pete843.substack.com/p/are-viruses-real?s=w
Thank you for posting this.
I personally I believe there is a lot that is not entirely correct with the existing viral model, and I believe in both the pleomorphic model of biology and terrain theory... But neither of those in anyway disprove the existence of viruses. The Best example I've ever come across for obvious invalidating example to the viruses do not exist theory is one:ebola due to its unique microscopic appearance and it's immediate distinct severe illness (I also have friends who helped with the Ebola response in Africa) and two: the fact that bacteriophages work as effective anti-microbial therapies.
Ebola? The "super" infectious but NOT really contagious disease, that just so happens to pop up in war-torn areas, and places with selenium deficient diets? Hmm. Scurvy was contagious too ... er, never mind. I see, hear, smell, think, believe, VIRUS!!!
There isn't really anything else I can say on this topic, so I am not debating it further (it eats a lot of time and goes nowhere). The two things I will specifically ask you to ponder is what:
-What brought you to the place where you are actively accusing someone who is clearly opposed to big Pharma and taking a leadership role against them of being a shill?
-How can you claim to understand what happened with Ebola if you were never there and did not see the carnage firsthand? This is like claiming to be an invincible fighter who has never actually actually fought a single match (which is very common to observe on the internet). The ebola outbreaks were horrific, and nothing like you are describing.
Dear AMD,
Please forgive me. I did not mean to say that I think you are a shill for Pharma.
As for Ebola, I would challenge you to dig into the facts. Much like "monkey pox" which suddenly appeared in 1970 - after Europeans and WHO representatives both injected monkeys and people with "vaccines", Ebola arrived after the "HIV/AIDS" campaigns. It was found in war torn areas, where people had limited access to food, clean water, and or were subjected to a lot of allopathic toxicity.
Best
John Calvin Jones, PhD, JD
I know very little about monkey box so I cannot comment on it. There is a good case to be made that HIV was spread and Africa through contaminated polio vaccinations. There is also a case to be made that ebola was engineered in a weapons lab. However, none of that negates the fact that ebola has been catastrophic in places where it has gotten out, and much of the spread from it is not through contaminated vaccinations.
Yes, bacteriophages! I have read about those. I am just a lay person, but I found them such an interesting and fascinating topic. I read a book, unfortunately do not remember title or author at the moment, but weren't there even pictures of bacteriophages from microscopes? I am sorry I can't explain it better, English is not my native language.
Yes there are!
What a pity this blog is being miused by impractical ideologists who deny virusses and their abilities.
Do they deny the existence of electronics? Have they ever isolated and seen an electron? Should they use computers then?
In the end everything is an abstraction and certain anti-virals have been proven to work in certain conditions. Which terrain theory medical interventions have proof of better practical accomplishments?
It's a silly discussion anyway. It's like the discussion whether light is a wave or a particle. If both theories of the nature of something can be used practically then they can also both be right.
The discussion is a diversion and I suspect people who try to change the subject to it are either trolls for the narrative or need to see their shrink.
I'm a bit stuck on that question because I know this is a common tactic used to derail voices who challenge the prevailing narrative, but some of the people pushing the "viruses aren't real message" were here from the very start before there was an incentive for trolls to surface and have been sincere throughout their history on here. My aim with this thread is to say what I have to say on this issue and when it's brought up in the future to refer people to this comment thread.
There are terrain theory inventions that are remarkably effective I use in my clinical practice, but very few people are aware they exist.
That all said "It's a silly discussion anyway. It's like the discussion whether light is a wave or a particle. If both theories of the nature of something can be used practically then they can also both be right" PRECISELY summarizes my feelings on this entire topic!
What is silly about questioning a paradigm that is being used for maiming and exterminating people?
Who would pay a "troll" who would be willing to expose themselves in opposition to the official narrative?
An extremely common approach used to destabilize anti-establishment movements is to place agents within them who advocate for significantly more absurd concepts and then fracture the movement into factions while discrediting the entire movement to outside observers because these agents are able to make a scene and attract the majority of the focus the community gets. I've worked with a variety of season activists, and they've all found for their movement to succeed, they have to be able to spot these agents and kick them out before they derail the movement. Likewise, within the conspiracy field, I feel around 30-40% of the conspiracies out there are made up for the purpose of derailing and discrediting the movement because enough people who innately distrust the system will pick up anything that disagrees with it.
I agree. I seen "vaccine" injury facebook groups that have picked up a couple people who I suspect are trolls sent there to make mischief. They claim there is no such thing as germ theory and totally ignore just how much modern medicine that would invalidate, and have no alternative explanations for diseases or how things like antibiotics appear to have cured infections.
I don't think all the "No germ theory" people are shills or trolls though. Some of them are sincere, just less-than-rational. I've been there (on other issues), being bipolar 2.