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Free Mind Paradigm's avatar

Most people know about Peter Hotez infamously declining to debate Kennedy for millions dollars in 2023, but I would like to share another lesser-known but outrageous instance of a time when experts refused to debate Kennedy. In Kennedy's own words:

"The Connecticut state legislature had a bill to end the religious exemptions for childhood vaccines in Connecticut [HB 6423 which ultimately passed in 2021], and the head of the Democratic party legislature asked me to come out and debate a Yale professor in front of the legislature, and I said great.

"And he called back and said there's going to be two of them and it's against you and they're going to get two-thirds of the time and you get a third and I said fine.

"And then he called back and said there's going to be four of them, and you each get six minutes, and I said that's all I need. It's not fair but it's all I need.

And so I fly out on a red-eye, I get to the state house, and it's me and four empty chairs. Somebody told them, or they all decided not to show up, and that's happened to me again, and again, and again, and again. I agree to debates and it seems like somebody gets a message, but you know, who knows? It's obscure. But nobody in 18 years has been willing to debate me."

Source: https://youtu.be/p6LJXPOv4SM?t=8927

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A Midwestern Doctor's avatar

I did not know this story, thank you for sharing it.

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Thomas A Braun RPh's avatar

RFK Jr is facing a formable challenge to correct the great harm that a dysfunctional healthcare system that will not admit that bottom line profits to the tune of trillions of dollars is driving our dysfunctional medical system.

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JC's avatar

I was thinking about AI intervention in medicine. Of course, we will give AI parameters -

but I had a moment of hope that AI may tell us, "You're doing it wrong."

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Thomas A Braun RPh's avatar

All depends on on what historical data is available and has not been corrupted!

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JC's avatar
May 12Edited

it was only a moment, while I was listening to the Chump announcement of AI Medicine, I thought - what if the machine realises we're doing it wrong, and decides to rebuild an efficient, effective system - because computers like efficient & effective. It's bleedingly obvious to us - surely a machine could catch on?

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Thomas A Braun RPh's avatar

False data in false data out and humanity is toast!

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Science is cool's avatar

Thanking for bringing this example to light. The situation in CT continues to be horrendous and deserving of attention. The ONLY option available is homeschool; which, is under constant attack. Most recently, by a group calling themselves CRHE (Coalition for Responsible Home Education) that is

pushing for national regulations on homeschooling. They have 'model' legislation (including mandatory vaccines for homeschoolers ) that they are pushing EVERY state to codify into law. Don’t be fooled by the name-they are not advocates for homeschoolers or for homeschool ‘rights’. Their model legislation reads like the UN goals; they sound great until you realize it’s been expertly written to deceive. All the goals actually under mine individual, parental and constitutional rights.

Here, HSLDA (an actual homeschool advocacy group) has written on the matter. A link is within to the CRHE model legislation. HSLDA write on the the group https://hslda.org/post/what-homeschoolers-need-to-know-about-the-make-homeschool-safe-act

In CT specifically, an advocate is Attorney Deborah Stevenson’s Org called NHELD. Here, she’s written about the most recent local PR campaign; a tragic news story being twisted into being the result of homeschooling. Her facts are solid, yet CT media and legislation are working in tandem to use their own version to legitimize the ‘need’ for regulations such as those being pushed by CRHE https://www.nheld.us/a-call-to-investigate-connecticut-agencies-for-failure-to-prevent-the-twenty-year-captivity-and-starvation-of-a-child-beginning-at-age-three

Thank you again for the pertinent comment regarding RFK Jr’s experience attempting to have a debate in CT, the corruption and ultimately, the horrendous situation that continues to plague CT families and especially; children.

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Free Mind Paradigm's avatar

Thank you for exposing this corrupt homeschool organization. I had no idea there were NGOs trying to mandate vaccines for homeschoolers. That's wrong on so many levels.

I'm originally from New York, and similarly to what happened in Connecticut, we lost our religious exemptions in 2019. This was the result of several problematic politicians in our deep blue state such as Cuomo, Dinowitz, and Hochul, seizing upon a small measles outbreak in the city. These politicians went on and attempted to mandate HPV and COVID shots for school, knowing there was no way out of it. Several friends I knew who had vaccine-injured children were devastated and had no other option but to flee the state since they made it impossible to obtain medical exemptions.

Thankfully, the tide shows signs of turning. A recent bill that would've removed religious exemptions in deep blue Hawaii was killed because it was so unpopular. This wouldn't have happened five years ago. Also, West Virginia very recently added religious exemptions for the first time in decades.

My heart goes out to you and other Connecticut residents who have been affected by medical tyranny laws, and once again, thank you for taking action and speaking out.

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Usamnesia's avatar

Such a classic Machiavellian name as usual with these sycophants. The same principles reside within the burgeoning censorship industry where such fine folks like The Center for Countering Digital Hate(CCDH) reside.

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Thomas A Braun RPh's avatar

The humans that are deranged keep multiplying!

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John Day MD's avatar

It's not really fair. Kennedy makes sure he has "better facts" before he will debate,

except about Israeli genocide in Palestine, ... what's up with that?

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Goldhoarder's avatar

Yeah... he was very pro vaccine. He wanted nothing to do with this. He told the story... if I remember right some mother harassed him endlessly until he finally gave in and said I'll look into it. If I don't like where it's going you have to leave me alone. She agreed... he kept his word. He definitely needs another come to Jesus moment on Israel.

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Usamnesia's avatar

The U.S. Congress is THE original Israeli Occupied Territory. Take the pledge or find a new job.

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Thomas A Braun RPh's avatar

He has to stay focused!

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Thomas A Braun RPh's avatar

Has to stay focused on his mission! No on is all seeing!

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William Jeffreys's avatar

Dr. Peter Marks is what you get when people's lives are less important than one's personal aggrandizement and financial gain.

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alison's avatar

That's putting it mildly. Peter Marks is a total psychopath in the worst possible fashion. The health agencies are full of people just like him. He's just one that has had the "microphone", so he can be gotten rid of more quickly. I shudder to think of the thousands of cockroaches that need to go, and where they will filter into society.

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Thomas A Braun RPh's avatar

When big medicine controls the goals of our NIH for their benefit then those in government adopt those goals because they don’t want to be the odd man out! Human nature! Go along to get along.

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Carl Eric Scott's avatar

He's a Bob Comeaux type. See Walker Percy, The Thanatos Syndrome. Hope to write about that book and the Covid/Vax Disaster someday for my new solo stack, Dissident Conservative. Meantime my content there is more political, more aimed at the near-total failure of conservatism is all this. https://dissidentcon.substack.com/

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Thomas A Braun RPh's avatar

The key is to educate the American public to what is truly transpiring in the sick-care arena. I believe that Robert F Kennedy Junior should present to a joint session of both houses the truth about what has transpired in our medical system that has caused over 50% of Americans to have inflammatory diseases. The truth should be known and should start with our senators. Maybe then the captive mass media owned by big medicine will have the courage to communicate the truth to the American public.

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WordUp's avatar

"The truth should be known and should start with our senators."

Anyone who's been in Congress more than a year absolutely knows the truth as they actively work to suppress it (eg. making the vax manufactures immune from prosecution for injuries). This also goes for statins, SSRIs, and many other toxic stews they serve up that injure and kill people on a daily basis. Same goes for the chemical food industry, big ag, military/industrial complex, banking, insurance, the entire monetary system. The news media is of course completely in on it as well. The corruption is virtually 100% and they all need to be thrown out and new laws enacted that separate corporate/money from govt.

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Thomas A Braun RPh's avatar

Can’t disagree! Mass media is in a crisis if big Pharma consumer prescription advertising is eliminated. Therefore, they have to keep their mouth shut to keep the six or $7 billion of income.

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J K McG's avatar

It has been reported that many in Congress took ivermectin during covid. I can't remember any Rep or Senator going before the media to demand pharmacies fill the prescriptions from doctors for ivermectin. I believe this was the first time ever that pharmacies had the ultimate power, not doctors, to decide whether a patient could receive a life saving drug.

I do have the ultimate respect for Senator Ron Johnson who held many hearings on covid. But I don't believe the mainstream media was interested in covering his hearings.

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sue's avatar

What makes you think this? As opposed to the fact that they are only getting information from the mainstream news and government employees who only spew the "party line"?

The vast majority of people I know still have never heard any of the truths we discuss.

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WordUp's avatar

I don't understand your question. Perhaps I can clarify my line of thinking if you'd delineate yours.

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JC's avatar

My bro-in-law made this little meme about the Aussie sickcare system:

https://u.cubeupload.com/JanCarol/AusGovernmentHealth.png

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Don Midwest's avatar

How long will it be until my wife realizes the harm from the mRNA vaccines?

I learned early from IMDOC at Naked Capitalism, flccc.net, this blog, and other places that there were alternative treatments, and from the Joe Rogan appearances of Robert Malone and Peter McCullough that there were alternative treatments, the approach to the pandemic was wrong and the mRNA vaccines were proof of the corruption of NIH, CDC, etc..

My wife sensed I had wandered off the reservation and called some of my friends to tell them to humor me because I was off my rocker with ideas about the pandemic.

Our marriage is in good shape but we have not come to agreement. She still thinks that the Health Care system did the correct thing with the pandemic. I mention topics that I find on the web by spending far too much time here, but her attitude is "there he goes again. "She has put me in a box and only a widespread cultural change can bring her around, for example, to agree with this expose of the head of the FDA.

I was at a knowledge disadvantage to my wife, and in general knowledge she still is way ahead of me. We are a little over 80 and she dose not quite read 5 books a week like she has done for years working fulltime and raising a family. I would not be surprised if she has read 20 books on pandemics. She read NEJM and AMA journal for years along with many, other topics, history books of 1,000 pages and science and lots of fiction.

I started taking health seriously only with Covid and am now off all 5 prescriptions.

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Celeste's avatar

She may never realize the harms of the shots. The Indoctrinated Brain helped me understand this. I also live with a partner that disagreed with me regarding the shots. We never fought about it but I read Substack articles to him daily hoping to crack through his mindset. He is only exposed to mainstream media so I appeared to be in left field. We were never unkind to each other but it frustrated the dickens out of me. He ended up getting the first two shots. He was in perfect health and an avid athlete. After a year, he was diagnosed with an ascending aortic aneurysm. He had zero predictors or risks for this condition. He was baffled. I told him the shots cause that, as well as almost 1,300 other adverse events that Pfizer identified themselves. He was shook. As the information sunk in, he realized that the shots had caused his heart damage. We, of course, do not have proof of definitive cause, but all things considered, it is likely. He is now on board with the belief that the shots are not only ineffective, but they are unsafe. It took two years of daily conversation about it, but mainly he had to experience an adverse effect firsthand. Super disappointing for both of us. He is being monitored by a doctor with annual visits and tests. The aneurysm has grown over the past year, and if it gets a little bit larger, the doctor suggests surgery.

Count your blessings if your wife doesn’t experience adverse effects. It won’t matter that y’all don’t agree on this as long as she remains healthy and unaffected. Best of luck to you both.

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D D's avatar

I had a similar experience with my husband, Celeste. I asked my inside self and it said "wait." While I did I started reading like crazy. (some would agree with the crazy part) My husband just blindly got the two shots and shortly after ended up in E.R. with a racing heart and high blood pressure. They (of course) couldn't find anything wrong and eventually his heart settled down. He is healthy, on no meds and low B.P. Well, that woke him up and he has regret and some fear of the effects of the spike. Sometimes having contact with my Higher Self is the only thing that saves me.

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Richard Rosen's avatar

"Asked inside self"; the way it ought to be. Well done.

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alison's avatar

I'm so sorry your husband had to be taught a lesson this way --now there are two of you suffering. A lot of humans have the same problem.

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Mouzer's avatar

I am so sorry for your partner (and you). All I can offer is, I am old enoughto have seen other issues from Pfizer that had already made me wary, so it is a bit of live and learn for all of us. Sadly, the learning for the jab is a much tougher road.

Dr. Chan Soon-Shiong has an interview with Tucker Carlson that, while it will make your blood boil, it highly informative. https://rumble.com/v6rbr3s-dr.-patrick-soon-shiong-youre-being-lied-to-about-cancer-tucker-carlson.html

He also has in the works a treatment that might remove the spike, which because it persists continues to cause issues. His clinic: https://cssifm.org/

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sue's avatar

That was a fascinating interview. Said by a survivor of vaccine turbo-cancer.

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Usamnesia's avatar

My blood boiled as you say but mainly because I think this interviewee has less than altruistic intentions. His vast fortune was made through the sale of two oncology drug companies. Now, after turbo cancer has appeared, he is here to offer his T-cell "bioshield". His mention of exclusive meetings with NIH/CDC/DOD puts him in the suspicious category(as in an asset to DARPA perhaps) His Carlson appearance conveniently occurred a few weeks before an investor conference. His wealth affords him a huge media megaphone. Someone else in the cyber sphere did a thorough analysis of this interview. but I have lost the link.

Is this the guy who is going to save many from CV19 (aka VAIDS) damage?...He represents the same culture that has created this problem.

At this time, I think the fenbendazole/IVM protocols as described by Makis and others is more effective and safer.

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Mouzer's avatar

Interesting. I don't have an issue with making a fortune, even with manufacturing medications, as long as they are properly and honestly researched. Research costs a lot, and people don't invest in it hoping to lose. However, I will certainly take this information in view and do some of my own research. Thanks.

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Mouzer's avatar

I read them all, but did not yet complete the Malik due to time. A lot of the argument involve his associations with characters and organizations that are highly suspect. And one must take some of that into account. At the same time, I try to reject guilt by association. For example when I consider Elon Musk and the changes he has grown through, his associations did not predict his current actions. Yet, I am highly suspicious of Robert Malone, based on his past actions and associations, despite his friendship with AMD and Senator Johnson, as a result of other information. I guess the best thing is to try to look at each action, as opposed to what they say, and try to decide. In truth, even if the jab was to create illness and now this is the fix, I would like to see the fix done as current treatments don't do it for some. And we can go after them for conspiracy later. Thanks again for the info. I sent it to my friend who had sent me this Carlson link initially.

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Mouzer's avatar

Thanks

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JC's avatar

and cheaper!

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Carl Eric Scott's avatar

And Carlson himself has been a pretty big disappointment. He's done very little to publicize the Covid-vax-harms story, he ignores key Covid-vax dissidents when they send him scoops, and Debbie Lerman's two key posts on the Means siblings suggests he was in on some kind of fix or cover-up with them. He needs to have Lerman on his show and answer her questions.

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Carol_007's avatar

Thank you, Mouzer for sharing that interview.

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Mouzer's avatar

You are welcome.

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peter blatch's avatar

In Australia there has been 75 cases of blood contamination with synthetic DNA. The Therapeutic Goods Administration (similar to the FDA) has refused to acknowledge their failure to conduct proper tests and does not meet the standards required by Moderna to address contamination issues. Testing by the TGA does not identify the smaller strands of DNA (below 200 base pairs) and these pose the highest risk for genomic integration. Unfortunately, our government has also shown no interest in the health of the millions of Australians who were subjected to these forced injections. Despite overwhelming evidence regarding the dangers of these products they are still promoted as "safe and effective".

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aprayerformonkey's avatar

As a person who had to experience tragedy to learn what I did not want to accept, I thank you for your patience. It will only make you a better person and a brighter spot in this suffering world.

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Dorothy Wolfer's avatar

The Indoctrinated Brain has profoundly opened my eyes to the alarming risks associated with the COVID-19 vaccine. It appears to inflict significant damage on the hippocampus, the critical region of the brain responsible for memory formation and retrieval. As a result, those who have been vaccinated may struggle to retain awareness and draw conclusions about the vaccine's potential harmful effects. This impairment clouds their ability to reason effectively, obscuring their once-sharp powers of deduction. What we are witnessing in many individuals today is a troubling loss of common sense, which raises the unsettling possibility that this could be viewed as a form of mental illness. This observation speaks to a broader concern about how information and critical thinking can be compromised in times of crisis.

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Mouzer's avatar

I suggest you read this. Then, and I mean this to sound kindly, give up trying to convince your wife. I have a friend of many decades the same. There is so much I know that could help her, but she isn't interested. I have to tell myself she is an adult and responsible for her decisions. It's hard and grievous for me. But that's the reality. And it's the only way I can maintain a friendship, which is valuable to me.

https://barsoom.substack.com/p/the-involution-of-the-liberal-mind

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sue's avatar

As if this phenomena is limited to liberals or conservatives. There are whole books about the biases and blindspots of conservatives. How about just blame humans?

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Mouzer's avatar

Of course there are many people regardless of their politics who have blind spots. I shared this article because in it there is a woman who refused to listen, even to a logical argument, which is what the other poster was showing. His own experience shows he is following something real and effective. Despite that his wife is mocking him. It is clear if he persists, that relationship, already having issues shown by her mocking, is likely to go down further. The question I suggested but did not raise for him is: does he value that relationship enough to stop pushing his view? Of course that's a question he will have to ask himself. Like with my friend, he will have to balance it with any real concern he may have for her health, not easy. You chose to focus solely on the politics. In my opinion, that is your loss.

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JC's avatar

"Be right" vs. "Be kind."

Yeah, that.

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Commoncents's avatar

Have her read "Turtles All The Way Down".

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Michelle's avatar

Everyone should watch and listen to Dr Suzanne Humphries on Joe Rogan a few weeks ago. Killer discussion between the two of them.

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aprayerformonkey's avatar

You're 80 and dropped 5 pharma poisons. That would have gotten my attention.

“And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.”

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GK's avatar

"...and called some of my friends to tell them to humor me because I was off my rocker..."

Sounds like a good way to become an ex-wife!

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Transcriber B's avatar

That's a painful situation. Thanks for sharing. Congrats on getting off all prescriptions.

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JC's avatar

OH I am so sorry to hear this - bad enough to be surrounded "out there," but in your own home?

I know 2 marriages where one spouse told the other, "If you take it, I'm leaving." All abstained (whew).

My house, the docs pressured him (autoimmune people were first in line), and he didn't listen to me (still not believing that 20% excess deaths a year isn't genocide) - and he listens to my talks of harm, but I'm not sure where it sits. I've lost a brother and 2 close friends to cancer this year.

Whether he is keeping silent to keep the peace? Or whether he really believes me?

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sue's avatar

I throw my husband quotes from various things I read. Don't hit him over the head with it or make him feel dumb. Just share what I'm reading. At first it was "Where is that from? I'm not hearing any of that in the news I read." But little by little it rubbed off until he believes. Then again I got turbocancer from the vax and he's been suffering from lyme which his immune system had previously been keeping in check. So the evidence is staring us in the face all the time.

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JC's avatar

My hubby disses anything Murdock related. So - Tucker, Fox, etc. is automatically "suss."

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David Lang Wardle's avatar

Apparently, Dr. Peter Marks was not pardoned by outgoing President Biden. So he might be subject to criminal actions for corruption and homicide.

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Jacqueline Stroupe's avatar

You can ask Dr. Fauci's wife, as she worked there until this week.

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Mouzer's avatar

Medical ethics was her area, as I recall. What a joke.

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Transcriber B's avatar

Yep, it's a fact.

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Kathryn Calabria's avatar

And “approved” every thing.

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Wayne Kerr's avatar

When is Marks (or anybody) going to jail? Oh, never? I'm afraid that is sad but true. Well God Almighty will judge. Even non believers will get their reckoning.

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Mouzer's avatar

There have been several class actions here and overseas. You see how many courts here (and there) adhere to the same medical propaganda. This is, IMO, largely because the judges want to avoid repercussions from the governments that are still protecting their bad policies or because, in many cases, current law protects governmental officials and the legal case is too hard to make against them. We have also seen in our own SCOTUS where a judge just can't accept actual evidence that goes against all they believed. While a few suits have been successful, they are mainly the ones against the mandates.

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Vivien C Buckley's avatar

It’s like that here in Ontario, Canada. Several years ago 2 family court judges sided with the parent who DID NOT want their children to get the covid shot. They ruled that they didn’t have enough evidence before them to rule in favour of getting them. Well, the fall out that ensued was cringeworthy. The Toronto Star did such a hatchet job on them. Smeared their reputations. The appeals court castigated them unmercifully, which of course the Toronto Star happily printed.

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Mouzer's avatar

Canada has recently gotten worse with new laws. With a few exceptions, I believe the press has been owned by interests for some time now, in large part because of advertising and the need for revenue, though during the pandemic governments were also involved. Most journalists aren't what we used to think of as journalists, but are instead gossips, reporting "he said, she said" with no research or background.

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Penny Carrier's avatar

Maybe they have to change the judiciary first, make some new appointments, no point in bringing charges if some corrupt liberal judge rules against them and they get off scot free and claim they were innocent all along

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JC's avatar

um, turtles all the way down? The judiciary - elected (in US) or appointed (UK, Canada, Australia, NZ) - is a perfect reflection of the powers that be.

I was just reading about (and I'm sorry to bring this to Doc's stack, which is largely political free) Soros campaign to get local judges of his ilk elected. It started about 30 years ago, and his folks are quite successfully installed.

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D D's avatar

Between this incredible summary and Dr. Malone's excellent summary there should be no doubt of the accuracy of these findings. As I suggested in the comments section of Dr. Malones expose', please share these findings with everyone you can find. The haze and denial is still so thick, mass formation (hypnosis) is still so prevalent, as indicated by some of the others comments here.

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James's avatar

RFK2 faces enormous power in his efforts to repair the NIH and subsidiary organizations. Up until COVID-19, I was a physician (M.D.) who believed that the Government health agencies were basically free of conflicts and big pharmaceutical companies, while driven by profit, wanted to "do right" by their customers. I no longer trust these agencies and I certainly do not trust big Pharma. My physician has encouraged (but not gas lighted) me to get the pneumococcal vaccine. I cannot find a study that shows decreased "all cause mortality" for otherwise healthy people. Further I cannot find any studies done with true placebos on the Prevnar vaccines. Further, I can not find any vaccine studies in the past 30 years that do true placebo studies. They either use another vaccine as the "control" or use one on the excipients and or adjuncts as the control. So for the lay people in this thread, if I was going to determine the safety of Tequila, I would not use Bourbon as my control group! So where does this leave us? We can't trust the NIH which is significantly conflicted with money from big pharma, we can't trust big Pharma and it is hard to know if our physicians, who have been trained in this "system", will offer you good advice. (mostly unknowingly).

I am forever thankful to Francis Kelsey who single handedly prevented Thalidomide being brought to the US. My father was in the Air Force and was stationed in Japan when my mom was pregnant with me. She had terrible nausea and vomiting with my pregnancy and had my dad been stationed in Europe, I am certain she would been prescribed Thalidomide as it was approved in Europe and I likely would have been born without one or more limbs.

"Frances Oldham Kelsey was the FDA official who prevented thalidomide from being approved in the United States. As a pharmacologist and physician working as a reviewer for the FDA, Kelsey repeatedly rejected the application for thalidomide due to insufficient evidence of its safety. Her rigorous review and insistence on additional data from the drug manufacturer, Richardson-Merrell Pharmaceuticals Co., delayed the approval process long enough for the drug's devastating effects on fetal development to be discovered in Europe.

Kelsey's actions were crucial in averting a potential public health disaster in the United States. For her efforts, she received the President's Award for Distinguished Federal Civilian Service from President John F. Kennedy in 1962. Her work also contributed to the passage of the Kefauver Harris Amendment, which strengthened drug regulation and required companies to demonstrate the efficacy of new drugs before approval.

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D D's avatar

Reading your story of the work of Francis Kelsey had the interesting affect on me of absolute dismay and incredible frustration with the fact that not one official has had the effect that she was able to achieve. If it was possible then to have the integrity needed, perhaps it can be possible in the future...

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James's avatar

Let us hope. By the way, she was a Canadian.

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sue's avatar

Someone should write a book with short chapters about hundreds of MD's who have seen the light. Seems like that could make an impact on other MD's.

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aprayerformonkey's avatar

Another reason why they killed him. The medical industrial complex was on the cusp of global takeover. Kelsey's integrity could not be suffered.

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Cara C.'s avatar

Frances Kelsey was a woman.

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aprayerformonkey's avatar

Killed JFK. It was on his watch.

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Terry silk's avatar

This post justifies the reason why I am a paid subscriber. The Mid Western Doctor is someone in the medical profession who I think I can trust. What an in depth and thoughtful post exposing the corporate workings. In one part of this post when he talks about when Dr Mike met with activists it reminded me if a radio programme from the BBC in the UK hosted by Jeremy Vine where an anti-vivisectionist debated a spokesman from the industry who was totally obliterated by the activist. A few months later they had another debate but this time they had s fanatic anti-vivisectionist who was made to look like a fool by the spokesman, it shows that they always pick the right person to get the results they require even they initially made a mistake with their pick.

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A Midwestern Doctor's avatar

That is a great story, thank you for sharing.

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Transcriber B's avatar

Thankyou, AMD, for this outstanding and important post. Peter Marks needs to be held accountable before the law for mass murder.

I have been aware of his role ever since I came across some of the testimonies for Senator Ron Johnsons' roundtables. In particular, there is one from attorney Aaron Siri, it's only about 10 minutes. For anyone who hasn't seen it, I can recommend it as 10 minutes very well-spent.

"US Senator Ron Johnson Holds Expert Panel On Federal Vaccine Mandates - Nov 2 2021"

roberts1008, posted February 6, 2022

https://rumble.com/vu8wa4-us-senator-ron-johnson-holds-expert-panel-on-federal-vaccine-mandates.html

Time stamps: 2:49:25 - 2:59:30

Transcript (annotated): https://transcriberb.dreamwidth.org/152999.html

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A Midwestern Doctor's avatar

I completely forgot about this. I need to add it in.

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Transcriber B's avatar

AMD— I am so glad it was helpful. Related to this, there is a fascinating and very important interview of Dr. Patricia Lee by Dr. Brian Lenzkes.

Episode 131: Dr. Patricia Lee

by Brian Lenzkes, MD | Feb 1, 2023

https://lifesbestmedicine.com/podcast/episode-131-dr-patricia-lee/

LifesBestMedicine, posted February 1, 2023

https://rumble.com/v27yghi-episode-131-dr.-patricia-lee.html

Transcript of excerpts

https://transcriberb.dreamwidth.org/154162.html

Red Flags on Jab Safety: Dr. Patricia Lee Talks with Dr. Brian Lenzkes (excerpts)

"when I saw my third patient I knew something was up."— Dr. Patricia Lee

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Carl Eric Scott's avatar

Transcriber B = Remember-er A!

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Garry Blankenship's avatar

Your first paragraph perfectly sums up the problem. It is the absence of any personal liability that foments the greed and corruption. I am not recommending that all those complicit do jail time, ( though I am not against that ), but the complicit need some level of personal responsibility. Employment / their job comes to mind, but there are many possible forms of personal responsibility to pursue other than mandatory jail time. The corporate shield is abused. All major pharmaceutical companies are repeat convicted felons. They pay huge fines, but as long as the bottom line ultimately is profitable the felonies continue with no personal liability. A good remedy start is to remove the absurd liability immunity now granted for the manufacture of "vaccines". Pharma managed to get this immunity through a combination of buying our politicians and arguing they cannot afford to make "vaccines" without liability immunity. What does that speak to the safety of "vaccines" ? Personally, I see pharma no longer willing to produce "vaccines" as an overall health improvement. We too easily overlook that fact that our ancestors had no "vaccines" and yet, here we are. I put quotes on the word vaccine because it's definition was recently unceremoniously changed to include gene therapy injections. Who is ultimately responsible for that definition change and why was it done ?

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Alan Fogle's avatar

There has always been people damaged from all vaccines. It got a lot worse when they upped the amount of childhood vaccines. Also flu shots or not necessary. I am 70 yrs old and had a flu shot when I was 19. I have not had one since. I hardly ever get sick, much less the flu. We need to take care of our bodies and the immune system that our Creator gave us will fight off illness.

But as long as the vaccine industry continues the need to take away their injury exemption. That in itself would most likely bring vaccines to an end.

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alison's avatar

"We need to take care of our bodies and the immune system that our Creator gave us will fight off illness." Bingo. The brainwashing of society about vaccines is thorough. You don't get 100 years of brainwashing out of the minds of society without the next 100 years teaching people the truth about how the body actually works. There IS NO proof of contagious disease. The brainwashers have convinced society there is.

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Alan Fogle's avatar

And bingo to you !!!

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Garry Blankenship's avatar

I hope you are right. RFK, Jr. not being bribable, I'm optimistic about what he may accomplish for our national health.

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Alan Fogle's avatar

We have to give him sometime. He has to get rid of certain people and bring in people that will work with him. On top of that the media is doing everything they can to stop him. Now the WHO and of course Big Pharma. The road ahead for him will be a battle and a march. But I have hope.

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Cara C.'s avatar

I didn't even know they had flu shots then! I'm 66 and don't remember them at all, luckily. I had a smallpox shot and polio, I guess, and TB. All the other mild (but unpleasant) childhood diseases, I was lucky enough to get (both measles, chicken pox and mumps). I feel blessed to have avoided most vaccinations!

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Alan Fogle's avatar

I am glad that you were also able to avoid most vaccines also.\

The best I remember I had all 3 of the childhood diseases also. I never took a Covid shot either. It never even entered my mind to get it.

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Penny Carrier's avatar

Ditto

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MSB's avatar

You would think that if Pharma actually cared about safety, they'd have improved the safety profile of all vaccines since 1986. The fact that they didn't even consider doing that must have meant they knew they could get away with it all. Definitely time to repeal that law.

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peter blatch's avatar

Re- these changes you identify, perhaps the logical conclusion indicates political and big pharma collusion has paved the way for depopulation. Eugenicist "doctor" Bill Gates has stated his "vaccines" will reduce the global population by 10-15%. He also claims the world is not sustainable unless there is less than 500 million people.

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Garry Blankenship's avatar

Ironically, I believe human over-population could use some focus. Human population and all other life forms are inversely proportional. Bill Gates and pharma poisoning, however, is no more acceptable than allowing all life on this planet to take human form.

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peter blatch's avatar

Thank you Garry. That is what philanthropath`s like Gates believes but is not what I believe. Gates proposes genocide at an unprecedented level. He has also said "almost everyone should be vaccinated". (by his mRNA bioweapon) jabs.) "Almost everyone" would not include Gates or the globalist cabal for these ritual jabbing's.

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izzy's avatar

It was an unfortunate interpretation of the 14th Amendment in an 1886 Supreme Court ruling which established corporations as artificial persons, and it’s been downhill ever since. The legal structure provides a firewall between the actual individuals involved and any personal responsibility for the results of corporate malfeasance. Pfizer, for instance, has paid billions of dollars in fines for the harm their products have caused, but no one goes to jail. And there are many who should. It’s all just another business expense on the way to more profits. We’re enmeshed in a perverse system.

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alison's avatar

You mean 1986 SC ruling: Citizens United? That decision, I think, marked the low point of having faith in juris-prudence.

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Peiternella Hymen's avatar

In NZ the government use the name HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN IN RIGHT OF NEW ZEALAND (CIK: 0000216105) which is listed on SEC and all its agentcies are listed as companies of Dun&Bradstreet (they love to muddy the water and I beleive the crown (evil) has changed it name for the UK and no doubt for other countries). They make money and the return, to the civilians, is pathetic. Corporations, work under legal contracts. I do not and have not signed a wet ink contract for any of their fraud. Blacks Law Dictionary 6th Editions state 'Slavery:A situation in which one 'person' has absolute power over the life, liberty and fortune of another.' Since they are artificial persons then the system of Governments and their agentcies are liable for the charges of Slavery. I believe that the Clearfield Doctrine is your way out of their jurisdiction. I live in NZ so I am not sure of any other 'laws' they create to hold all souls in bondage and economic slavery over there.

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Beyond the Surface by Veronica's avatar

Excellent!!!!

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Givenroom's avatar

Anti virals, vaccines, antidepressants, antipsychotics, anxiolytics, I can no longer call them for what they are, they are weapons of destruction and there are armies all over the world to apply them, intentionally or not.

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JC's avatar

Antipsychotics used to be called "neuroleptics" - which is Greek for "anti-brain."

I prefer that term for that class of drugs. The rest, it is sufficient to call them drugs, toxins, chemicals - but not "medicine."

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Roman S Shapoval's avatar

Eddie Bernays shows us that one man can change the world - if we let him. Why not let ourselves be the ones to do it instead?

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