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Frank Drevin's avatar

I've worked at CDC for over 15 years. The belief in vaccines is a religion at CDC. Getting your flu vaccine is an act of communion. The dogma that vaccines work and save lives is the central belief that motivates every unethical behavior among the faithful. Since vaccines always work and save lives, any one who reduces the number of vaccinations is literally killing people. Any evidence to the contrary is dismissed just as any religious zealot would dismiss heresy.

I read a project proposal last year which discussed how they were seeing the first girls that got the HPV vaccines were showing higher rates of cervical cancer as they got into older ages. Instead of making the obvious observation that this disproves the central use of HPV vaccines, they just said, we know the vaccine works so something else must be happening to cause the rise in the condition it was meant to prevent.

They literally do not see any contrary evidence even when it is right in front of their faces. All remaining leadership outside political appointees are members of this cult so there is not going to be any lasting change until the complete collapse of the Federal government.

I joined CDC as a vaccine agnostic. I was skeptical of how much they helped but I didn't think they caused any widespread serious adverse events. After the bald faced lie of Rochelle Walensky saying the COVID jabs were "safe and effective", I started doing more in depth research of each one. Every vaccine I've looked at is laughably worthless. When I started watching ACIP, it was a ridiculous joke showcasing live the common ineptitude of the morons you regularly see within the agency.

I wrote to RFK jr on my recommendations for completely reforming the agency but I see that is a pipe dream. Honestly, the country would be better off if the CDC did not exist. The fact that 61% of the country still trusts CDC is so shockingly sad. Why are Americans so incredibly stupid?

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A Midwestern Doctor's avatar

If you could tell me anymore about this, I would be very grateful.

I read a project proposal last year which discussed how they were seeing the first girls that got the HPV vaccines were showing higher rates of cervical cancer as they got into older ages. Instead of making the obvious observation that this disproves the central use of HPV vaccines, they just said, we know the vaccine works so something else must be happening to cause the rise in the condition it was meant to prevent.

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Sherri's avatar

Thanks for increasing awareness. I still am really confused why the company that one of the big supposed front line DOCTORS company that he endorses had Tamiflu in his survival pack, as majority of all Frontline doctors say it's absolutely worthless and has more negative side effects than any positive. Malone Was the doctor that was marketing it and he appears to be really well published? And even he is more active now with RFK?

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The Wiltster's avatar

I wish I could say any of this shocked me. In fact, it seems so obvious and logical, one might doubt it, except for the evidence that it's true! (As an aside, the belief in vaccines is a religion outside the CDC too. I believe the correct term is, "Vaccines, Amen!")

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Usamnesia's avatar

Because our education system produces compliant consumers and NOT informed citizens.

Another observation is the deference to “experts” that we saw throughout Covid. Most doctors either didn’t understand fundamental statistics, (Absolute Risk Reduction vs Relative Risk Reduction, IFR v CFR, etc.), or were complacent to the responsibilities of the their Hippocratic oath. Instead they followed harmful mandates/recommendations coming from governmental bodies. The medical cabal has corrupted all aspects of American Health Care, and doctors are just the trained barking seals for big pharma marketing.

"The men the American people admire most extravagantly are the greatest liars; the men they detest most violently are those who try to tell them the truth." - H.L. Mencken

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Primum non nocere's avatar

In 1986 the Federal government conceded that all vaccines are unavoidably unsafe, to such an extent that Congress and POTUS codified the (lack of) safety issue within the 1986 Childhood Vaccine Law.

There is no debate to be had since then about vaccine safety or effectiveness. The Feds have stipulated such.

Unavoidably unsafe is Codified.

Let me repeat.

The Federal government acknowledges that the (all) vaccines are so unavoidably unsafe that legal immunity is the ONLY way to protect Bigpharma from CAUSAL lawsuits that would force them to produce ONLY safe and effective vaccines...or go out of business.

Forget the science debate.

Forget the conflicts of interest.

None of that moves the needle.

None of that changes anything.

The 1986 Childhood Vaccine Law is THE prima facie evidence for the lack of safe and effective vaccine manufacturing practices.

The unConstitutional 1986 Law and the associated unlawful Childhood Vaccine Schedule mandate represent the keystone for the public health utilitarianism (aka gotta kill some to save some) ideology. As one or both goes, so does the unavoidably unsafe vaccine.

Either end the mandate or repeal the Law. That's it. Its that simple. The rest will correct itself.

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The Wiltster's avatar

I had not heard the creation of "Vaccine Court" described in such a stark, but accurate fashion. Yet, this characterization is true. If Pharma created and marketed provably safe products, it should not need the DOJ to "protect" it! (Furthermore, private industries should not be protected by the government anyway, but that's another debate.)

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Donna's avatar

Corporations were created to protect any criminals running them.

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Karla M LaZier's avatar

Constitutional Laws make this possible read Bailiwick News today on substack RFKjr coukd end these laws with just his signature - he won’t; Congress can and should repeal but won’t - we have been captured- Don’t Comply- no one is coming to save you but you.

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Primum non nocere's avatar

SCOTUS set precedent with plandemic EUA ruling. The ruling was narrow and restricted to national public health emergency... aka plandemic. The Childhood Vaccine Schedule and 1986 Law were NOT from health emergencies. Rather both exist because vaccines can only be manufactured as unavoidably unsafe. This is not 1905 Jacobson. This is not COVID shot. Legally completely different issue.

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Thomas A Braun RPh's avatar

I believe a key player in guiding and molding the direction of medicine in the United States has been IOM, which is the Institution of Medicine which was converted to the name National Academy of Medicine and is a quasi governmental agency that is composed of about 2000 directors from private businesses and etc. They create and guide and develop medical dogma that greatly influences our perception of what good medicine is.

As an example in 2011, when it was called IOM it codified what they believed was the true value of vitamin D for good health, which was so greatly underestimated, but it has become dogma at the NIH . All the major pharmaceutical companies have their members on the board directors of the NAM.. now you know the rest of the story!

PS: So are Pepsi and etc. to protect their diet pop from being removed from the market place.

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Karla M LaZier's avatar

See Constitutional Laws created over centuries that made and continue to make this Covid debacle possible- Congress could repeal but won’t - they are complicit - read Katherine Watt at Bailiwick News on substack today to get the real truth.

Take your blinders off -

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Thomas A Braun RPh's avatar

I agree. But that is a separate issue. The over riding influence is from corporations that benefit from controlling the direction of healthcare long before RNA.

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Karla M LaZier's avatar

You as a pharmacist know how many drugs have iatrogenic issues- most illnesses of today

I believe come directly from what the ‘good’ doctor prescribed and the purveyor, distributor, the source, the pushers - the pharmacist provided- the chain of complicity is long and ugly and one we don’t want to acknowledge - the ‘system’ owns us - example - statins - ‘must reduce cholesterol’ per cardiologists as instructed by big pharma- science is in question actually but oh never mind cardiologists believe it is so and beliefs have replaced science in the post science world- docs also profit from

prescribing- side effect of every statin on the market or iatrogenic causes brought on by treatment - ‘diabetes’ ‘memory impairment’ and the list goes on just one of many examples. In a perfect world a real scientist would not sell or provide a Covid vaccine since it kills and maims but situational ethics prevail, p.s. we are not allowed to know what is in the magic elixir called the Covid vaccine where are the ethics here. In reality we are our brothers keeper for what happens to him happens to us all.

Our brothers are sick and dying because we live in a morally corrupt system. The whole system is complicit. Now fix that.

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Thomas A Braun RPh's avatar

I wish I could! Physicians and pharmacist have been lied to by big farmer for the last 70 years and we were gullible!

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Karla M LaZier's avatar

Hello Thomas,

My daughter in law’s sister is a pharmacist - a single, mid 50’s woman who suffered great harassment from a hospital system in our home town - I will not go into details but let it suffice it to say she too feels that the whole system is built on lies - she did share a teaching re viruses while in pharma school that at one time she really thought was wrong but that she told herself she did not have the capacity to understand now in retrospect she sees it as having been sold a bill of goods - a big lie amongst many.. Fortunate for her she was able financially to resign - the moral dilemmas she faced during Covid became overwhelming.

I am a long retired MSW.who was in the medical field. I know it would be a moral dilemma for me to do this work in todays world under the conditions imposed and the control of information that now exists and the enforced Covid vaccine ethic that existed and still exists- although my son, a respiratory therapist, prevailed in his hospital system and did not take the vaccine but had to hazmat suit. The prime role of a social worker is to be an advocate without a prescribed script one which the hospitals started to impose on me at the end of my career and I quit this was in 2003. Impossible in todays world to be an advocate.

Best to you,

Karla

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Donna's avatar

I too have always been of the opinion that the system is corrupted and unless that changes, it is "meet the new boss, same as the old boss". Our only hope in changing the system is to starve the beast by being brave enough to withhold the taxes (as much as possible) that feed it. We the people are what is keeping the corrupted system alive.

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Karla M LaZier's avatar

Hi Donna,

Don’t put your-

Self as a target

for the IRS-

Oligarchs have

billions- Musk

Purported to have

trillions-your taxes

are a drop in the

bucket, tax the fat cat

who have more wealth

than most countries.

Plan, stay

Smart, do not com-

ply stay educated and

Stay safe. The less the

government knows about

Your personal business the better. We are living in an

Autocracy if not a Dicta-

torship. Read history to

understand the road ahead

It is full of challenges-

I am 80 - hope to not be present

when the new very hard

Times descend on us.

Best to you and yours,

Karla

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Thomas A Braun RPh's avatar

Don’t have them on!

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Thomas A Braun RPh's avatar

Don’t have them on!

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Thomas A Braun RPh's avatar

I wish I could!

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Baldmichael's avatar

Indeed, strike at the root to see the plant wither. All vaccines unavoidably unsafe and effective at poisoning people for profit.

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aprayerformonkey's avatar

I am copy pasting your comment for future plagiarism. Love it.

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Thomas A Braun RPh's avatar

Explain? Not personal opinion?

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aprayerformonkey's avatar

The logic. It was really good. What do I need to explain?

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Thomas A Braun RPh's avatar

Thank you! I hope it is plagiarized 1000 times. Spreading the truth!

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Thomas A Braun RPh's avatar

Multiple avenues are used to shape and mold our sick care system. Legislative, Advisory through National Academy of Medicine, Direct Lobbying, Befriend NIH decision makers,

Mass Media bias medical reporting, Indoctrinating Med school student and physicians, and more. Some believe that this can all be stopped with a magic wand and a decree. Impossible. Takes time and RFK Jr. needs 100% support. The Congressman who rally against him are in the pocket of Big Medicine. They are not moral.

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yd inman's avatar

This quote from your article; " among physicians, in no small part because the agency is generally thought to be free of industry biasis". Ugh. Are educated doctors really that blind??

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Franklin O'Kanu's avatar

Yd! Yes they are — this the result of the education system. It teaches those to not think independently—and the longer one stays in the system (eg, for years) the longer most are indoctrinated.

I’ve written about indoctrination and modern medicine here if interested:

https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/origins-of-modern-education

https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/modern-medicine-as-poison

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Deb.Butler's avatar

To make matters even worse, allopathic doctors no longer have independent practices. They are mere employees of monopolized medicine, which, in turn, are employees of Medicare and Medicaid. THEY dictate what doctors get paid for.

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Donna's avatar

Many of my relatives had been doctors/dentists in the past and all had their own practices upon graduating from med schools. The advent of huge student medical loans has forced many practitioners to join monopolized medicine because they cannot afford to begin their own practices. They've become slaves to insurance/Pharma.

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Rob (c137)'s avatar

And that's why the quality of service has gone down.

END STAGE CAPITALISM

when the markets produce garbage

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JudyC's avatar

My ex is a 72 yr old practicing physician. He is appalled at what is being turned out by medical schools over the last decade. He used to welcome new doctors (moonlighting while in their residency programs)into his practice to mentor, but he quit doing that because of their lack of real training. He claims the majority he found were glorified pharmacists who were happy just pushing pills on their patient rather than really searching for the underlying cause. Personally, I look for older doctors, and I vet them well!

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Marago's avatar

Yes! Totally agree. I have friends with kiddos in college — exceptional students — who researched becoming an allopathic MD, and because of what they discovered in our medical day and age, decided against this course of study for themselves.

In my past, my very healthy mom got a flu shot, immediately got sick, and died at a young age.

In my present, I have adult Grandkids who have done a lot of their own research. Offspring are being birthed at home with Midwife, and Doula— kiddos unvaxxed. Very very healthy toddlers.

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JudyC's avatar

Your reply gives me hope! There’s something to be said for raising kids who question everything…they’re hell in middle school but sure pays off as adults!

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Donna's avatar

I too search for an older doctor if and when I absolutely need them. I also prefer those in private practice, but they are getting harder to find.

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Deb.Butler's avatar

I went a step further. I do not have an allopathic primary care physician. I see a functional chiropractor and a functional nurse practitioner.

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sue's avatar

I recently read of a physician who ran a group of 1000 other physicians. He said his doctors are upset because people used to be happy to take pills. Now 80% of people ask if there's something natural they could take, and what the root cause of their problem. The doctors are complaining that they don't know! They haven't been trained in that!

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JudyC's avatar

As disturbing as it is that doctors “don’t know” natural remedies, the heartening news is that so many people are starting to ask! I hope it spurn these doctors into doing some actual research!

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Masaki Fujii's avatar

Quantitative thinking is the foundation of science.

The human response is highly probabilistic, and although this varies among researchers, it is believed that a single vaccination (jab) produces 500 to 10,000 times the amount of Spike protein as in natural infection.

Therefore, it is only natural that injections of m1Ψ-mRNA products can cause autoimmune disease, and that vaccines such as BNT162b2, which are made to mimic the RNA of the Spike portion of Sarscov2, have severe side effects in humans.

Furthermore, there is the possibility of endotoxin from E. coli cultivation and the contamination of E. coli DNA fragments, which can then be inserted into human DNA.

The same is true for m1Ψ-mRNA-based fake vaccines that have been created or will be created for other infectious diseases.

However, there are many incompetent doctors who do not understand this.

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Donna's avatar

Myself having autoimmune issues due to an MRI with contrast containing the toxic heavy metal "gadolinium", it never made sense to me to take an injection which would hyperactivate my already hyperactive immune system. Many in the population suffer from autoimmune issues and it seems like agreeing to the shot would have been a poor choice.

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Rob (c137)'s avatar

I'm sure even AMD and others like Pierre Kory who are complaining today were compliant before.

They're brainwashed or just cowards.

Many of us knew quackzines, Tylenol, and other meds were toxic crap decades before these guys figured it out.

WE'VE HAD GROUP THINK LIKE IN ORWELL'S 1984 FOR MANY DECADES.

They still talk about the idiotic idea of a war like defense immune system!

The germ theory contagion model is total bullshit.

https://barn0346.substack.com/p/life-is-not-a-battle

https://unbekoming.substack.com/p/from-pasteur-to-panic-fear-fraud

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Don's avatar
Nov 20Edited

What the heck are you knocking them for?? These two trailblazers are dedicating their lives to waking people up and providing alternatives.

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Dr Linda's avatar

Troll alert , they are everywhere

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Janet's avatar

Thanks. Already scrolled by.

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Rob (c137)'s avatar

It's trolling to bring up the fact that neither of them were honest about COVID being like the flu and the damage coming from hospital protocols and vaccines?

This also applies,..

https://sanityunleashed.substack.com/p/nocebo-effects-during-the-covid-event

I guess those wanting the Epstein files released are trolls too?

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Donna's avatar

What I experienced was nothing "like the flu". It was a manmade bioweapon.

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Rob (c137)'s avatar

How are you so sure what caused it?

A decade+ ago, I got severely ill.... Loss of smell and taste for a month. A fever on and off for a week.

Meanwhile during covid, I was tested weekly for work and I got positive PCR test a few times. One time it was like a light flu.

The other times I was not sick at all but work made me stay home cause paranoia.

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Rob (c137)'s avatar

Because they and others still talk like COVID was some super deadly thing, hyping up the fear of pandemics.

We know that before the clot shots, COVID had an ifr like the flu. That's why the average age of death in 2020 was around life expectancy and on average 2+ comorbidities.

Hyping up COVID is straight up bullshit.

Many have questioned Kory's claim of what happened in NYC. Sadly woodhouse76 Substack was deleted but here's a video of someone calling out his covid story.

https://rumble.com/v55tjzv-where-is-pierre-kory-in-2020-ep-948-v2-720p.html

They're MAHA limited hangouts, whether they're aware of it or not.

Telling the truth when it's cool but then hyping up COVID is still manipulating people.

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Donna's avatar

When the government first publicized their own "Covid death" numbers, I calculated their numbers with the population of the US and it only came out to less than 1/2% of the population. I knew then something stunk in Denmark.

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Roisin Dubh's avatar

What about all those suffering from the effects of covid, it is dismissing their suffering saying they were never infected in the first place. The spikes on the virus are highly toxic.

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yd inman's avatar

Most of the research shows the most damage came from the vaccine and the vaccinated.

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Roisin Dubh's avatar

Most people took the shot. The spike proteins produced from the shots differ from those on the virus. The spike though regardless of where it originates is toxic to the human body. The immune system can clear most of the spike proteins from the virus, in most people fairly quickly, whereas the spike proteins due to the shots were designed not to be broken down easily. The shots also are injecting mRNA wrapped in LNP's into the body, which is inflammatory. So, the potential for harm from the shots is higher, but that does not mean people who never received the shot and did contract covid, do not have lingering harms affecting the CNS, immune system, and others. That should not be minimized.

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Donna's avatar

Having never had the flu in my life, I did get sick in July 2023. There was something very different about this "flu". It is my belief it was some type of bioweapon, along with the shots. If you didn't receive the bioweapon via shots, you got it via sickness.

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Roisin Dubh's avatar

I know very few people who did not get the shot and did not get the infection. So, the whole planet essentially has been poisoned with spike proteins. Fauci is to blame. Do you think if you advertized for skin cream that you produced as a small business enterprise and claimed it was safe and effective when it was not, that you would not be held to legal account, I don't think so.

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Rob (c137)'s avatar

You mean the people who got injured by the clot shots or the toxic hospital protocols (Remdesevir, vents)?

https://robc137.substack.com/p/years-before-mrna-and-spike-protein

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Roisin Dubh's avatar

No

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Donna's avatar

No, through a bioweapon sickness aka "Covid".

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Baldmichael's avatar

The main issue is the idea that they promote that COVID 19 was a novel disease rather than the 'flu rebranded which was clear from the statistics let alone anything else. Even I worked it out in June 2020 and I am not a doctor - thankfully!

Also AMD has the link to their post on the childhood vaccines (only accessible to paid subscribers to view bulk of it and comments), suggesting there are benefits to some vaccines. This is false as there cannot be any benefit to vaccines, just that some are less harmful than others.

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Donna's avatar

Based on my own personal experience, I have never had a flu, but in 2023 I became very sickened for over a week. Nothing like I have ever experienced before in my many years of life. There was something very different about this "flu". It is my belief it was some sort of a bioweapon created in Wuhan.

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Transcriber B's avatar

Same here. I got something in 2022 that was like a standard flu but it had what I can only describe as an electric and very aggressive vibe to it. Electric headaches came in waves. That was never my experience with flu in the past. Anyway, I recovered quickly, nothing since.

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JC's avatar

I thought of it more as an Initiation of some sort.

It was like that. You "came out on the other side" of it. Different.

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Baldmichael's avatar

Thanks for the reply. The thing is that the 'flu is a toxic poisoning so symptoms vary. In fact many of named diseases can be described as 'flu in that they are a detox process, hence the typical fever to help sweat things out.

As to Wuhan this was always a psyop to blame China and distract from what was going on at home, whereever home might be as most if not all governments were at it as it were.

Ultimately it was to push the vaccine bioweapon as all vaccines are.

https://baldmichael.substack.com/p/wuhan-flu?utm_source=publication-search

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Donna's avatar

There was something very different about this "flu".

Although it is my belief there is much going on here in the US (Plum Island, etc.) Fauci had to switch his gain of function work overseas.

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Ollie's avatar

Ditto;-) and never got a flu shot

"If you want the flu get the flu shot." -overheard in the 1980s.

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Rob (c137)'s avatar

Exactly.... They play games just like maha and defend the slow walk of maha and Kennedy.

It's been clear for at least a decade.

SLOW WALKING THE TRUTH IS STILL LYING

WHY ISN'T IT TO AMD?

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Baldmichael's avatar

Why indeed. I have challenged AMD on this in at least 2023. And I have this recorded from 5/1/24 as an end para to him/her.

"Sadly, your wilful blindness in this matter soils the good you do and is one of the many reasons I and many others have no trust whatsoever in the medical profession as a whole."

I appreciate that there are many who still fail to see the blindingly obvious that I managed to see at last in 2020, but pushing the idea of COVID as a novel disease, let alone the virus fraud, after 5 years of all the bollox is quite ridiculous and inexcusable.

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Rob (c137)'s avatar

This is probably why MAHA and all these new health people popped up on the scene.

They're desperate to regain trust after having lied to us for decades.

I'm not angry that they lied when they were ignorant.

I'M ANGRY BECAUSE WE NOW KNOW AND THEY PLAY DUMB ABOUT IT just like everyone else in MAHA.

CHD used to be all about calling out the vaccines and now they obsess over dyes, soda, EMF, etc. Sure, they're harmful but the worst things are toxic vaccines and medicines like statins (which this blog will sometimes promote).

Instead we get promos about minerals and so on...

IT'S A GRIFT

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Roisin Dubh's avatar

No, SarsCoV2 is not the same virus as the flu virus. SarsCoV1 was tweaked by Ralph Baric in his lab, then Fauci ordered another scientist to aerosolize it. It is not a purely natural virus, that is why the human body has been harmed by it.

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Donna's avatar

There was something very different about this "flu" and the shot that went with it.

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Roisin Dubh's avatar

I have never taken a flu shot so I can't compare. I have rarely had the flu, but I have been knocked out a few times with it. Honestly, flu shots scare me.

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Aly Jaenicke's avatar

Your comment about AMD & Pierre Kory is false.

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Rob (c137)'s avatar

Please tell me what is false about it?

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Masaki Fujii's avatar

This is likely to be the case for young doctors, as their medical school education is based on papers produced by pharmaceutical companies.

Only doctors who recognize and think carefully about the difference between their education and reality can become enlightened doctors.

If you read the biographies and statements of both AMD and Pierre Kory, you can see that they enlightened at a relatively young age.

However, as was the case with the abnormal number of doctors who died in Canada in the early days of the fake vaccine launch, it is certain that there are still more unenlightened doctors today.

https://canadahealthalliance.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/deaths-doctors-80-canadian-william-makis-2022-10-15-CMA-Letter-FINAL.pdf

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Thomas A Braun RPh's avatar

Go along to get along!

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Deb.Butler's avatar

ALL allopathic doctors know of the dangers of vaccines,Tylenol, etc., but they don’t have the guts to speak out about it. Pierre Kory and AMD do! Give them credit for attempting to reverse as much damage as they possibly can

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Ollie's avatar

“It is simply no longer possible to believe much of the clinical research that is published, OR TO RELY ON THE JUDGEMENT OF TRUSTED PHYSICIANS OR AUTHORITATIVE MEDICAL GUIDELINES. I take no pleasure in this conclusion, which I reached slowly and reluctantly over my TWO DECADES as an editor of the New England Journal of Medicine.”

― Marcia Angell, MD; 2009. (EMPHASIS ADDED)

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yd inman's avatar

Gobsmacked. This should have been shouted from.the roof tops when she acknowledged this. The hurdles to become "peer-reviewed" research, of course after the very big hurdles of funding, if you were lucky enough to get it, means only big pharma endorsed research made it into her magazine. She saw the hypocrisy and could not longer look away.

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Ollie's avatar

2009; they tried to pull off the 'Swine Flu' epidemic, what now seems as a test run for covid. I remember the 'hype' not really sticking.

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JC's avatar

We knew about it in psychiatric survivor's circles. She was hemming in the DSM...and getting attacked back then, too.

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Donna's avatar

Keep in mind "educated" doctors are being "educated" by Pharma funded schools.

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Robert Hunter's avatar

Yes, of course.

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MARK HARTLEY's avatar

Yes. I for one.

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James Miller's avatar

This time is remarkable in health history. Just seemingly overnight these positions are becoming acknowledged to be true by larger groups and more influential people. I am a doctor who woke up and I thank you for the help. The Times Truly are A Changing.

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Roisin Dubh's avatar

James, I hope you can point your colleagues in the direction of the new CDC updates.

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Donna's avatar

Getting past the potential loss of vacation homes and yachts can be nearly impossible.

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Roisin Dubh's avatar

True. I think though people will sue docs for recommending a drug that can cause autism, the playing field has shifted.

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Donna's avatar

Do you ever notice on the drug ads how the side effects are longer than what the drug is supposed to help? People are now expected to play Russian Roulette with drugs and accept the consequences.

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Roisin Dubh's avatar

Edward Bernay's used Freud's theories to influence the subconscious in public relations, and marketing strategies. What a success. The pharma ads show patients experiencing bright futures by taking their product, they use every ploy to appeal to the senses. After the finale, the lengthy list of side effects is at a lower volume, hurriedly and flatly ensuring that the human mind will gloss over the tedious list.

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The organic vet's avatar

As a naturopathic dairy veterinarian, this completely resonates: "One of my major questions in life is whether the bad things that happen are a result of a secretive group of bad actors or are simply a naturally emergent phenomenon that would occur regardless of which group was in power behind the scenes."

For decades I have been constantly flummoxed by regulations which fly in the face of the increasing calls by society for clean dairy products like those produced by farmers certified to the USDA National Organic Program (NOP). Even though the USDA NOP prohibits antibiotic. use, there is no clear regulatory path for using natural treatments, such as botanical medicines.... which were mainstream prior to the juggernaut of the antibiotic era. In large measure, it is because of the FDA Center for Veterinary Medicine protecting FDA-approved products from any competition of drugs that are unapproved - even though in the case of botanical medicines there is clear evidence that they are "grandfathered" and have been used since 100 years ago in mainstream veterinary medicine.

Yet... USDA certified organic dairy farmers who produce milk for the Grade A commercial market (e.g., Organic Valley and Horizon) are hamstrung by FDA (through its Milk Safety Branch), who in partnership with the National Milk Producer Federation, creates the rules of the Pasteurized Milk Ordinance (PMO), to which they are inspected. The PMO states in Item 15r. that only FDA-approved drugs shall be used and/or stored on Grade A dairy farms. FDA-approved drugs, once approved, are strongly protected by FDA in large part due to the User Fee system makes "sponsors" (Pharma) pay to them reviewed and approved (https://theorganicvet1.substack.com/p/user-fees-pollute-the-fda-drug-approval)

The Item 15r clause in the PMO means that USDA NOP certified dairy farms, which are not allowed to use antibiotics, cannot technically use naturopathic drugs that are grandfathered or even have them on their farms. Why is this? Because Pharma has its funded-friendly university researchers on the PMO committees that look out for their interests. For instance, Appendix N of the PMO shows which tests are Official to test milk for potential residues... nearly all tests are only for FDA-approved antibiotics. That aspirin or other natural, botanical treatments that were used in dairy medicine prior to the formation of the FDA in 1938 don't have testing in Appendix N is completely reflective of the pharmaceutical industry's grasp of what is to be allowed to be used by dairy farmers and their private veterinarian. Arguments are always brought up that natural treatments shouldn't be used by dairy farmers since there are no Official tests for them.

This is legalized collusion.

This situation described above is completely parallel to what you wrote about in your article, although in the veterinary realm. Hopefully people who are interested in clean food will start looking into the specific regulations which hamstring farmers - in this case organic dairy farmers who make up 10% of the nations milk supply - and call out the shadowy sides of how regulations get into place that seem to always protect big pharma whenever possible.

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aprayerformonkey's avatar

My favorite label:

"Does Not Contain Any Prohibited Ingredients"

Read it a couple of times in the light of our food situation and try not to run screaming down the street.

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Donna's avatar

One of my favorite FDA claims is "No harm has been found". They make that claim because they refuse to acknowledge proof of harm.

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aprayerformonkey's avatar

Well, they don't even look. Refuse is exactly right. It is intentional. predetermined and premeditated.

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Donna's avatar

I learned this back in 2017 when an FDA hearing was held to speak about the harms caused by MRI contrast containing gadolinium. After much testimony, all FDA members voted against taking any action other than a black box warning that the patient never gets to read. This is from the FDA website. What is unbelievable is how they can conclude that retaining a toxic heavy metal in the brain does no harm. Even a five year old knows poison is bad for you.

"[ 5-22-2017 ] A U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) review to date has not identified adverse health effects from gadolinium retained in the brain after the use of gadolinium-based contrast agents (GBCAs) for magnetic resonance imaging (MRI). All GBCAs may be associated with some gadolinium retention in the brain and other body tissues. However, because we identified no evidence to date that gadolinium retention in the brain from any of the GBCAs, including GBCAs associated with higher retention of gadolinium, is harmful, restricting GBCA use is not warranted at this time. We will continue to assess the safety of GBCAs and plan to have a public meeting to discuss this issue in the future." https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-and-availability/fda-drug-safety-communication-fda-identifies-no-harmful-effects-date-brain-retention-gadolinium

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aprayerformonkey's avatar

Another poison enters the queue. The genius of waiting 2 generations to drop the curtain on all the genocidal toxins, gives the inventors just enough time to die and avoid accountability - like classified documents. When I was a toddler, I stood at the windowsills of our turn of the century cottage and chewed off the paint. 15 years later we get told lead is bad for you. Then it was asbestos, fluoride, saccharin, and now the sun will give you cancer. I think the real reason [ that we will be told in a decade or so ] is that the heat from standing around trying to get your vitamin D for the day will cause all the plastic in your brain to pool and run out your nose. They will name this condition polymerhinosinusitis and -yes- there will be a vaccine. I'll call it Sinurix

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Donna's avatar

Lol. If I don't laugh, the only other alternative is to cry.

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Tony Porcaro's avatar

Very astutely stated!

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Unapologetically Me's avatar

Thank you for illuminating your dilemma.

I didn't know.

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yantra's avatar

so are you saying that organic milk products may be contaminated with pharmaceutical drugs given to dairy cows like antibiotics and vaccines? yikes if true.

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The organic vet's avatar

No, let me clarify… first, the US certified organic livestock sector is leading the way globally in reducing antibiotic use in livestock because of the USDA NOP prohibition on using antibiotics. That’s a fact. All other countries’ organic certification allow antibiotics to some degree. That’s a great whole other discussion I could write about.

The problem is that while USDA regs prohibit antibiotics in certified organic livestock, FDA regs don’t allow for natural medicines to be used or stored on Grade A organic dairy farms. So, either the farmer has to hide such products so FDA inspectors don’t debit them during inspection or they have essentially zero products on hand to use to help an animal that needs attention. And, just like people, animals can get sick for various reasons. While on the National Organic Standards Board, I got a few synthetic analgesics allowed to allow ethical surgery (to alleviate pain) on organic livestock. But that’s different than treatment for infectious disease. My expertise as a clinician is the non-antibiotic treatment of infectious disease in livestock with medicines that were used prior to the synthetic/antibiotic era, e.g., mainly botanicals and traditional biologicals. While many traditional biologicals are allowed by 7CFR205.238(a)(6) and other places in the organic refs, botanicals are not (by FDA PMO). Traditional vaccines are allowed by organic regs but and genetically engineered vaccines are not (and determining which are which on commercial labels is another whole discussion). Maybe I should write about these things on my substack account 😉

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yantra's avatar

thank you. this is all pretty disturbing, especially the fact that usda so-called 'organic' allows "traditional" vaccines. i mean i think we all know that usda organic is more than a bit of a sham - not that it isn't better than non-organic; for sure in most reputable cases it is. but from what i understand it is nothing like tilth or CCOF are/were. what do you think? and yes, i think this info is very important to anyone who eats animal derived food (i don't eat animals) and cares about their health, not to mention how the poor animals are treated.

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The organic vet's avatar

If you're asking what I think about Oregon Tilth and CCOF, I'm not going to comment. Every accredited certifying agency (ACA) is different from the next. But I can tell you that in the certified organic sphere it is kind of like Old Testament rules - nearly endless. Not much spirit behind the rules (as it once was along time ago when I first got into organics). While I'm not big on vaccines, there is one that is life saving and that is the intranasal that prevents pneumonia. Pneumonia is always quite dicey clinically speaking. By traditional, I mean old technology, as in passages through eggs to create the vaccine (rather than snippets of DNA amplified like with genetic engineering).

As an organic veterinarian (probably the only one in the US that has been clinically full time at it for decades), I initiated the animal welfare regs while on the NOSB. I can't help it that they took 15 years to make it through the byzantine regulatory process (see original article here by A Midwestern Doctor for likely reasons [political corruption]), but at least those regs are now in place. I also was involved with making it law that certified organic ruminants must graze for at least 30% of their ration during the grazing season (see 7CFR205.240). Putting together the set of analgesics that got approved for surgery and pain mitigation, the OOLP (the animal welfare regulation) and the grazing requirement, certified organic livestock have it pretty darn good compared to nearly all conventional livestock that are stuck inside their entire lives and never set a hoof on the earth.

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JC's avatar

Australia has prohibited antibiotics for a long time now - at least 20-30 years?

Europe seems to have done so, too - but I know less about that.

But what I don't know - is what they allow.

LOL Rife for Dairy Cows?

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The organic vet's avatar

Not quite sure how you mean that Australia has prohibited antibiotics foe at least 20-30 years and the EU to a lesser extent.

Being immersed in the organic livestock sector as I've been since 1988, I've very closely followed the regs applied to organics in various countries. None have complete prohibitions as does the USDA certification. For instance, the EU allows a simple double the withholding of whatever the approved label states and the organic milk is back in the tank - it may be double a 48 or 72 hour withholding time. Canada has an interesting take on antibiotics and synthetic hormones for organic livestock: 30 days out of the milk tank. This would make a dairy farmer think long and hard (and more likely use natural treatments) before resorting to an antibiotic. Note, though, that like the FDA, the Canadian FDA, Health Canada, looks askance at natural treatments on dairy farms since the labelling does not comply with their inspection processes.

That all said about organic, I do know that in conventional livestock agriculture, the EU indeed has made it so that antibiotic can only be obtained by Rx from a veterinarian. And antibiotics in feed is not allowed to the best of my knowledge. Maybe it is the same in Australia, I don't know. But in Australia, antibiotics are allowed for sick organic livestock, just not to be routinely used. The US, very belatedly, took antibiotics out of feed stores as over-the-counter products in June of 2023. The long delay in making them only obtainable by veterinary Rx is likely due to the influence of the Animal Health Institute (AHI) which is a lobbying group for big Pharma.

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TomD's avatar

Quite an article. But the powers that be virtually everywhere are so indoctrinated to believe all vaccines are good. So how do parents fight this mindset because if they don't vaccinate their kid, the kid can't go to school? Home school is not an option. Then we have the work place. Still companies requiring various vax to work there. What a world!

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Thomas A Braun RPh's avatar

Using government regulations to insure profitability!

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Donna's avatar

Yes, government blessings have allowed Pharma to legally become a bigger drug cartel than any South American cartels combined.

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TomD's avatar

Exactly. Follow the money!

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Roisin Dubh's avatar

I hope parents print out the CDC update and bring it to their doctors and hand them in to the school nurses.

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Marago's avatar

Home school could most certainly be an option if the parents partnered with someone providing same in their own home.

Employment in their future can be on their own.

Kiddos need empowerment, common sense, and curiosity development from birth. Doesn’t happen anymore in a public school setting.

Parents beware!

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TomD's avatar

Yes, it's an option but not much of an option for most where both spouses work. And then there's the question as to if it's something the parent can effectively do. No easy IMO

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Linda Kapala's avatar

Public schools should not be impowered to demand vaccines.

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TomD's avatar

I agree but they do

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annapolis73's avatar

The page change at CDC is welcomed and way past overdue. I remain unconvinced that anything less than restoration of due process rights of the vaccine injured can smack the American public into their senses. I have fought for it and will continue to do so.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/4668

https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/4388

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E. Grogan's avatar

I think the CDC dishonesty may well have started in the following way:

Back in early 1990s, early in Bill Clinton's presidency, he fired most or all of the scientists who worked at CDC and replaced them with public relations people. This information came to my husband, a virologist/immunologist for over 50 yrs, from James Watson, Nobel prize-winning scientist who was one of the 2 scientists who discovered the spiral nature of DNA. My husband and Dr. Watson had a conversation about the CDC and this information was given to my husband by Dr. Watson. Many public relations people are very good at covering up truth and outright lying.

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Baldmichael's avatar

'Public relations' anagrams to:

- ie nb liars cult op

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E. Grogan's avatar

LOL, I always enjoy your anagrams.

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Neil Pryke's avatar

Whatever the question, the answer is always the same: "Follow The Money"

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Donna's avatar

I've told those in charge of my eventual burial I want that phrase on my tombstone.

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Ergogenetics's avatar

"It's easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled".

Mark Twain

https://open.substack.com/pub/david652469/p/lymerix-the-lyme-vaccine-that-left?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=q333b

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Elba's avatar

This is shocking and very upsetting: "In many cases, these promotions have been directly tied to the CDC taking money from industry. Unfortunately, despite both CDC employees and members of Congress demanding investigations, the matter has been largely swept under the rug." How can the public learn more?

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Donna's avatar

Congressional "investigations" are just a circus show to make the public believe they care and are actually earning their keep.

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Ralph DeVane's avatar

How does anyone forget Dr. Deborah Birx', co chair of the original White House Covid Panel, coming out of one of the daily meetings at the White House and saying "I can no longer trust anything coming out of the CDC"? This was jaw dropping to me. It's not like the CDC reps made a comment, then left before questions couldn't be asked for clarification. Birx' point was she could not get a straight answer from them and obviously caught them figuratively flat footed and in her mind inept. With a statement like hers, there should have been an immediate overhaul of the CDC. Instead, no changes were made and Birx' public appearances were curtailed. Two years later, she did a mia culpa, stating she thinks they "oversold" the efficacy of the vaccines; then wrote a book about it. Hopefully RFK Jr. is working to overhaul the CDC.

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A Midwestern Doctor's avatar

Most ironic thing about her is that if (safe) UV lights were used indoors, they sterilized the air and prevent COVID transmission, and hence were far more effective than everything the CDC promoted and eliminated any justification for lockdowns. Birx was the primary person who pushed for lockdowns tests and masking. After the pandemic, she got a job at a company using UV to clean buildings of things like COVID.

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Ralph DeVane's avatar

Thanks for the reply, but the CDC's strategies for handling the scamdemic sparked a real skepticism and frustration in her of their competence, or am I missing something?

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Spencer's avatar

"One of my major questions in life is whether the bad things that happen are a result of a secretive group of bad actors or are simply a naturally emergent phenomenon that would occur regardless of which group was in power behind the scenes."

This is always a debate at my family gatherings. I have a brother-in-law that ties everything back to five guys in a smoky room, but I have always attribute it to the general greed for money and power that humans seem to possess in endless quantities. But...the more we see how the sausage is made, in every sector of government and business, it sure does seem like there is some terrible agenda to it all.

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Baldmichael's avatar

Indeed. There is a terrible agenda, exaccerbated by the incompetent and greedy. It only takes a few to exploit the many.

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IGW's avatar

Maybe it's just that we're in the Kali Yuga - the age of ignorance and it can only get worse as (some say) the KY has just begun and has thousands of years to run.

Maybe every situation we find ourselves in, at a personal, nation & world level, is entirely appropriate to & as a direct result of, past action... just consequences & justice. If so, seems fair to me - but of course that explanation would necessarily require a belief/acknowledgment of past lives, re-birth and an on-going learning process leading to eventual spiritual enlightenment. A deep rabbit-hole.

Maybe what appears to be evil intent on a grand scale is...just that; people making decisions where they haven't learnt, or don't care, or are just evil and seek to bring us all down to their level, consciously or other-wise.

Maybe there really are no accidents in the Universe. And if you look up on a clear, starry night and observe our tiny part of the universe, knowing that it stretches beyond mind, beyond our ability to see or reason, moving with absolute precision, certainty & guidance over an infinity of time....maybe you'll ask how could things be any different, down here.

Maybe. But probably not. It's pretty horrible here, but comfortable.

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Karla M LaZier's avatar

It’s intentional the goal is to blame the individual when it is the system which is sick by design to create a one world government everything else is theater. Kali Yuga- whatever but the deep state or British- American hegemon is the puppet master behind the curtain- see Covid, see break down of civility in US, see sell out of every institution- see laws and more laws to control us aka protect us against terrorists when the government is the biggest terrorist of all. Welcome to life in America. Where others hate us for our freedom - what freedom- all propaganda.

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IGW's avatar
Nov 21Edited

Well yes, Karla I don't disagree with any of your comment...all valid points. It's just that I believe there are curtains behind curtains and that when the last curtain is drawn back, there lies, not a brick wall but the truth (though that might be described as a brick wall...it can be painful to knock your head against it!)

As Rumi (1307-1375?) perfectly put it:

"This life is a dream and only a sleeper considers it real

Then death comes like dawn and you awake

Laughing at what you thought was your grief."

We're for the large part trapped in the physical aspect. It's all far more subtle, majestic, intricate, complex & wonderful than we can imagine. Death is simply a transition to a different level of consciousness where (if we're lucky, as the stairs probably go down as well as up) we may get a glimpse of reality.

It's gonna be fun...sort of.

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Charlotte Ruse's avatar

Where does the CDC's dishonestly come from?

Let's start with the criminal pharmaceutical industry, the national security state, and the creepy "sickcare industry" which like the MIC profits on misery.🤑

There's a deliberate attempt to diminish health, and especially natural immunity which allows the body to fight off diseases. The more vaccines injected the more your body becomes reliant on pharmaceuticals, as your natural immune system substantially declines it causes the injected to become increasingly more susceptible to chronic infections and disease. 😷

It's so unfortunate, that the US has a corrupt political duopoly and now a President who's dubious character is allowing the nefarious Dems to discredit any attempt to bring light to the "hoodlums" who control the healthcare industry and pharmaceutical companies. Hence, these mobsters direct the "official narrative," as they also sponsor state-run mainstream media news. 🤑🤑🤑

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Baldmichael's avatar

I think his dubious character helps expose nefarious Dems etc.

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Charlotte Ruse's avatar

The MSM uses his questionable character to mock him and thus discredit the MAHA movement.

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Tony Porcaro's avatar

Well said!!

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Mrs. Itoldya!'s avatar

Every single person on earth, needs to read this!!

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Ubetcha's avatar

The system is fraudulent. The vast majority of the medical industry is captured. Most doctors work in large practices. Only 1% of doctors only operate with cash payment. The insurance companies dictate the acceptable care protocol. In large practices they are literally tracking the interaction between the doctor and patient, making sure the doctor only suggests the approved narrative. They make examples of any doctor that "steps out of line". See Kory, McCollough, Bowden etc. for examples of doctors who lost their hospital privilege's or licenses to practice.

If you can afford a concierge doctor its well worth the cost to get a second opinion.

Its corruption at its core. That and billions of dollars to manipulate a "consensus ideology" from research funding, to medical journals, medical schools and the insurance companies.

Science, by definition, questions any current theory. Medical "science" is more like doctrine than science.

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Jennifer's avatar

I agree and the same playbook is being used in the dental and veterinary industry.

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Tony Porcaro's avatar

"Medical science" has been exactly that..."doctrine", at least since the mid 19th century thanks in large part to the widespread ideology of germ theory and "vaccine" development, neither of which has ever been proven to be based upon scientific truths; the pursuit of science and health was totally hijacked by powers and forces dedicated to the pursuit of money and power and created the allopathic model of medicine which ensures continuing sickness and death; this has been the main goal ,like it or not, believe it or not, of medical practice and research for the past 200 years and all backed by the widespread complicity and stakeholder agencies who would have us believe they care about our health, when they couldn't care less and never have cared.

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Roisin Dubh's avatar

Most people cannot afford to pay out of pocket on an ongoing basis.

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Ubetcha's avatar

I know. It sucks.

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Roisin Dubh's avatar

I am for partial socialized medicine, where tax dollars pay a decent percent for holistic treatments, functional doctors, nutritionists, homoeopaths etc. It would be money well spent by society, and the gains would outweigh the loss on the expenditure.

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Ubetcha's avatar

The quicker you realize the government exists for the sole purpose to extract your productively and keep you as a tax slave, the better off you will be. We are cattle, to be farmed. Nothing else.

No government funded operation is for your benefit. It’s purely to keep the farm running.

War and disease are their greatest profit centers.

Look at where the money is concentrated in every major city. Banking and Medical centers. Meanwhile most residential and rural areas are neglected and decaying. The only nice residential areas are where the doctors and bankers live.

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Roisin Dubh's avatar

That is how it is playing out here. There are countries though that do take care of the elderly, with better social programs. They are not socialist countries; they simply are more balanced. We are paying far too much money in taxes to live in a home, and much of the money is stolen. I am not against taxation, only unfair taxation.

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JC's avatar

I used to think that way. Believe me, I was excited the first time I saw a doc in Australia, and walked out - no payment. The medical care here *is* good.

But COVID taught me the top-down nature of this (I was already aware of it with "psychiatric compliance" and seeing doctors taken down for prescribing diet instead of standard protocols) - and the government knows everything because the government pays for everything.

In Vietnam, they just introduced biometric ID for medical care and banking.

It's just a flip of a switch, from here.

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Roisin Dubh's avatar

Biometric ID will come in regardless. I am not talking about everyone getting free medical services, I am talking about lowering costs for alternative doctors, particularly for elderly parents on Medicare, which won't cover anything outside the box, we certainly pay way more in property taxes than other countries, we can afford it.

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Flatulus Maximus's avatar

It's a heck of a problem! Given my own health issues at age 71, much of what the system will pay for either won't help me, or will outright harm me. I'm finding going it alone for cancer care is scarier than the disease itself. And I haven't even gotten to the truly expensive stuff yet! Navigating old age with Medicare and allopathic MD's is a real art form I'm attempting to master while not declaring bankruptcy in the process.

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Roisin Dubh's avatar

It's deplorable! No real help available other than surgery. I heard United Health added to Medicare covers almost everything, but that is another $400 a month. Then again, the U.S. sees free health care for the elderly as socialism, they may change their minds when they need it themselves. What a blind spot in the population at large. Europe takes care of their elderly when they most need it. Take care as in providing allopathic medicine, there is no free holistic therapies offered anywhere as far as I know.

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Grp Cpn Lionel Mandrake's avatar

How to find a good Doc that's not captured?? Is it possible? Maybe we have to self treat as much as possible, increase healthy good living choices.

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