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Rosier days's avatar

I am a pharmacist and worked for pharma for 20 years - both prior to pharma paying for their approvals and after. My point of view was that one regulatory change bastardized the very protections that were supposed to to be there from the FDA. No longer an independent regulator/reviewer, the agency was now beholding to the very bodies they were to regulate. The pre-pay for approval FDA was golden. The people who worked their saw thru mission as protecting the public from the very nonsense that goes on today. The scientists there were truly professionals who knew all the possible work arounds and short cuts and didn’t let any company get away with it. There is a drug for benign prostatic hypertrophy, first in class. When the drug failed to met its endpoints, they raised the number of patients in the trials to extreme amounts, forcing the statistics to comply. I went to the public FDA session for its approval - I did not work for this company. I knew the statistics were slanted toward positivity only because of the extreme increase in patients. So did the FDA statistician. When the statistician got up to speak and started to address the issue in increased patients forcing the statistics to positivity, he was quickly cut off. I was young in those days. I was stunned. That was the beginning of the end of the FDA I had known. Old now as I watch drugs approved I’m disgusted. A cancer drug for breast cancer with a70 percent and great chance of diabetes, Alzheimer’s drugs tgat don’t work, GLP-1 drugs that haven’t even begun to show their evil. GLP-1 drugs were fashioned after a heila monsters venom. Why was anyone surprised by the gut paralysis? Im saddened that we no longer care enough to do this right. But everyday I go to work I see the old drugs that were highly scrutinized by my old FDA still being used and still working better than the newer ones. God bless us all. It’s all we got.

A Midwestern Doctor's avatar

Thank you for sharing. Can I use this comment in a future article?

Rosier days's avatar

Absolutely and I’m always here to help in any way. I’ve seen a lot over 46 years.

Bob Aughton's avatar

TGA in Australia,

96% funded by big pharma. All you need to know.

kim's avatar

After reading your article I am scared wh(sh)itless. Please tell me, what should I do? Background information: I'm on a 1.7 dose now. I understand the food noise comes back in spades after going off of Wegovy, and have experienced it first hand. I'm shooting for 125 g of protein daily. I take Seed probiotic at night and am completely regular. I had a NutrEval done recently and my magnesium, etc., all looks good. I'm afraid. I'm afraid I'll be on this for the rest of my life.

Rosier days's avatar

Here is an article that may be helpful to share with your doctor

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11940170/

kim's avatar

Thank you so much 💓

yantra's avatar

Kim - i wish you all the best in your recovery from this.

YYR's avatar

High animal fat, moderate animal protein, low carb, no barcodes. Start with no snacking, then shift to two meals a day. This is easy with higher fat/protein. A lot of what is called "protein" is just a useless collection of random amino acids. Animal protein has the right AAs in the right proportions for optimal health.

Sue Don Nim's avatar

Are you an adult? Stop taking it if you don't want to take it?

Dr Tara Slatton's avatar

Apparently they weren’t making enough money as it was because they are now pushing its use in cats.

pimaCanyon's avatar

feed your cats raw meat with bones and they don't get obese. In fact, feed them raw meat with bones and you can cure a cat of adult onset diabetes (which we did). You can cure cats of diabetes just by getting them off kibble and switching them to canned food with no grain. Dry cat food (kibble) is poison for cats and causes some cats to develop diabetes

Dr Tara Slatton's avatar

The issue with that is it’s expensive and time consuming and many pet owners can’t or won’t put that kind of time and money into their pets. In my practice most people who have one cat have three or more. We won’t be carrying or prescribing said medication for cats but I guarantee I’m going to have clients that will want it and ask for it. Despite canned or whole meat diets being preferable most of my patients would lose weight if they were restricted to a certain amount of food and then engaged in an appropriate amount of exercise but that is also time consuming. People want the easy button for their pets just like they want it for themselves.

Xmen442002's avatar

Intermittent fasting(16-18 hours) is a cure for diabetes in humans so it seems it would be the same for pets.

Also, the idea of humans eating 3x daily was driven by the industries that control us.

Humans really only need to eat once per day or 2x max.

It's the evenings and the habitual eating that does so many people in.

BethanyAnne's avatar

Agree. I eat one big meal for breakfast, and dinner is just a snack, usually a protein and some fruit. Took about 6 months to lose 40 pounds, but I'm in my 60's, and it just takes longer to lose the weight at my age. I don't eat after 4pm, and breakfast is anywhere between 1000 and 1300.

Xmen442002's avatar

do you have a exercise routine?

BethanyAnne's avatar

Yep. 8 miles on an elliptical bike in the morning (about 30-35 Mins), yoga for 45-60 mins, M-F. Lifting in the evening for 30-45 minutes, MWF.

Dr Tara Slatton's avatar

Many of my patients eat once a day and are still obese and prone to diabetes.

Xmen442002's avatar

the problem with patients, is that they tend to lie a lot and that makes healing protocols difficult.

Unless you can monitor them 24 hours a day, you are subject to what they tell you and from my experience, over 50% are not being truthful.

I would love to know what underlying condition a client could have where they eat 1x daily(responsibly) and are still obese and prone to Diabetes?

Something does not add up there?

Demonhype's avatar

To always lovely to hear the usual mantra that my fat ass must be lying about how little I eat or what I eat, after all if I was smart or honest I wouldnt be fat to begin with, right?

After losing weight 4 times and watching it come back with friends every single time regardless of how much I tried to keep that from happening, after several years now with no appetite and having to remind myself to eat so I dont get dizzy or get a blinding starvation headache after 24+ hours of forgetting to eat--and yes, I get hungry but I dont care--and not losing shit despite not overeating, despite being incapable of overeating, its always fun to hear that i must be lying about that. Surely I just dont want to admit to the three dozen donuts, five large pizzas, four bags of chips, six super sized McMeals and several gallons of soda I must be eating daily to maintain my current size.

This really pisses me off because I have even been accused of lying by people who fucking live with me in what is frankly a small home in which hiding such eating habits would be literally impossible. The myth that being fat is a "choice" and completely within one's control and therefore all fat people lie about what they eat is so pervasive even people who live in close quarters with me, shop with me, have meals with me, can easily monitor how often I leave the house (which is rarely alone) and can easily monitor what I bring back with me, and frequently offer me some of their (frequently junk) food that I decline because it literally makes me sick to eat it are convinced I'm just gorging myself and dont want to admit it.

That said, I will never ever touch this venom they are selling. For the obvious reasons, plus every single weight loss drug is based on the idea I am a bottomless pit of insatiable hunger and cravings who needs to curb my appetite, which is not my problem. I have come to terms with the fact i will always be fat and have decided that the best course of action is to just improve diet quality and exercise for how it makes me feel, and fuck it that it won't make me thin.

Healthy diet and exercise have been pushed as some penance for achieving thinness for too long,same with being thin as a lazy proxy for health. Ragen Chastain's substack destroys those lies every day. Push the lifestyle for its own sake, treat weight loss as a potential unguaranteed side effect and not the goal, and maybe stop shaming fat people as if they "choose" to be fat and just need to be called liars and humiliated in order to make them "choose" to be thin. After a century of abuse, believe me, if it was that simple or even possible,we'd already be thin, if only to escape the hateful bigoted crap we get every day of our lives, worse if we fail, as I have failed, to be apologetic about it.

Dr Tara Slatton's avatar

You clearly missed most of the previous conversation. I’m a veterinarian, my patients are cats. If cats eat more calories than they expend they will get fat regardless of what they are eating. Most cats can quite easily eat more than their daily allotment of calories in a single meal.

yantra's avatar

its kinda hard for a cat to lie ( ;

CK's avatar

If someone has the discipline to stick to a 2 hour eating window per day I don’t see how they could not lose weight if they were overweight.

I’ve never been overweight but experimented a lot with IF all the way down to a 2 hour eating window. I stopped because I was shedding weight I didn’t need to lose.

Julie's avatar

No, you cannot put cats on a "fasting" diet. They do need to eat, if they are not eating they can develop fatty liver.

It is better to give them several small meals per day. They cannot be starved for long periods of time like a person can.

Dina Barzilai's avatar

i’ve fed all my dogs and cats raw since 1995. Before it was a thing, before it was commercially available. Until my current cat. Have tried off and on for 10 years to switch her from kibble (that she was eating when i adopted her) to anything wet or raw—she’s not having it. If you have any ideas—I’m more than willing to put in the work. Right now she’s on starch-free Wysong “Restore” then i chop up human grade freeze-dried meat into tiny pieces to sprinkle throughout her kibble to trick her into getting some meat. And after 10 years have successfully gotten her to take 2 ml day of raw milk lol.

Dr Tara Slatton's avatar

Sounds like you’re doing what you can. Unfortunately a lot of cats that decide they only like a certain type of food cannot be convinced to eat anything else. The freeze dried food was a really good idea.

Dina Barzilai's avatar

thanks. She’s not a fan but if it’s small enough pieces and neutral enough flavor (rabbit especially) she ends up ingesting some, thank God.

Satan's Doorknob's avatar

Before the discovery of insulin, a diet very similar to what today we'd call carnivore or keto was one of very few recognized treatments for diabetes.

MH's avatar

I learned that the hard way. My cat loved those stupid cat treats that someone called 'cat crack". I was way to indulgent. She also just ate dry food. Ended up with diabetes and I had to give her injected insulin twice a day for five years and then she went on to develop glaucoma. All of which I managed for a long time. I finally woke up after her diagnosis and fed her high protein wet food but it was too late. Her sugars were always high but the change in diet did help her live another five years.

A Midwestern Doctor's avatar

Learn something new everyday :(

BethanyAnne's avatar

Geezus...SERIOUSLY??? My cats aren't overweight, but I wouldn't give that crap to them even if they were. I'd put them on lean meats. Disgusting how far those people will go to make a buck. I don't even jab my cats.

Dr Linda's avatar

I heard that. Thanks for verifying

Isaiah Antares's avatar

I had an obese cat, once. She was fat, and her fur would always come out in clumps. Because of this, she didn't groom, and had dreadlocks and dandruff something fierce.

We switched her to a grain-free diet. Still just cat food out of bags and cans, but sans and corn, rice, or other grains. All those problems went away. She slimmed down, developed a beautiful coat (she was a calico), and lived to be seventeen.

Ozempic for cats is an abomination.

TomNearBoston's avatar

Since the covid episode (my PCP tried to get me to take the vax), I've minimized my interactions with the medical field.

But in the last year I've had a couple of docs acknowledge things like statins and blood pressure meds "aren't what we thought." Even our pediatrician barely mentioned the Gardasil she'd previously aggressively gaslighted us over.

Is there a significant percentage of the doc population that quietly knows how corrupt the system is?

BethanyAnne's avatar

Since the Convid farce, I dumped all my pharmaceuticals except the hormones, and those are compounded and bioidentical. I don't trust any of this slop they are trying to spoon feed the masses. They lie and obfuscate about everything. They damn sure don't give a rat's patootie about anybody's health, that's for certain sure.

Having done a successful weight loss program myself recently (IF, cardio, yoga, lifting), I'm afraid I don't get why people would subject themselves to an insidious drug like Ozempic. The weight loss (by all accounts) isn't permanent, some of the side effects are REALLY bad (and permanent), and seems to make a lot of people sick as a dog.

I believe I have found at least one MD in Boise who mentioned to me that he thought the system was corrupt. He is cash only, doesn't take insurance, and does a lot of alternative therapies that the mainstream system doesn't offer. So I made an appt. We'll see.

LDub's avatar

I would love to know who this MD in Boise is. My older brother lives there and cannot get any good help because he doesn't want to "play their game."

BethanyAnne's avatar

Vance Medical. He called me personally to see if we were a good fit. We had an interesting chat about the FDA. The initial fee isn't cheap, but I only need to see him about every 6 months for my hormone scrips.

LDub's avatar

Thank you so much for this. Very kind of you to share this information. I'm calling my brother now.

Right Side of History's avatar

I would also suggest searching for a homeopathic doctor who knows how to actually treat and cure. I would think Boise is large enough for there to be several there. A traditional MD in almost all cases is not going to benefit you.

BethanyAnne's avatar

I doubt I'm going to find a practitioner who can do prescriptions AND homeopathics. I have to have one who can at bare minimum get me NP Thyroid, which is prescription only. The rest I can get OTC if I had to. It's also been my experience that homeopathics, at least with me, are pretty hit and miss.

Right Side of History's avatar

Prescription drugs don’t cure they just cover up the symptoms. Often times with life threatening side effects. Here is a link to those who can cure.

https://www.ohohomeopathy.com/homeopathy/homeopathy-doctors-in-boise-id.php

RE Nichols's avatar

Are doctors really that cold blooded and greedy that they watch patients growing sick and becoming crippled and dying before their eyes while continuing to push more and more of their POISONS on the gullible public who continues to trust these poison pushers?

BethanyAnne's avatar

I haven't trusted them much for decades, and their actions during Convid just destroyed any trust I had in them pretty much completely. Between what I already knew about the medical/pharmaceutical complex, and what I've learned about the extent of the corruption since Convid, I'm pretty much done with the mainstream.

Baldmichael's avatar

I never liked doctors and with the Covid scam, whilst I will consider individuals on their merit, I do not trust them at all now.

If they don't consider diet and environment in their diagnoses then they are basically worthless.

https://baldmichael.substack.com/p/d-is-fordoctors?utm_source=publication-search

Michael Guy's avatar

The big investors who did their best to eliminate naturopaths, herbalists, dieticians etc early this century also invested in the medical schools, giving grants in exchange for having one of their people on the school board, and steering education and research only in the direction of the new flood of drugs they were producing. The average doctor's wife is likely to know as much or more about diet than her partner. Ignorance can be as dangerous as avarice.

Alan Fogle's avatar

They may be, BUT cannot the patient see what is going on. One of the main reasons that Americans are so sick is that they put their health in the hands of a Dr. SAD situation.. We alone or responsible for our own health. And there are very few Doctors that can help you anyway. I am not bragging but I am 70 yrs old and take NO medications. I take care of myself. I walk a lot. Grow a lot of my own food. I eat a diet that a lot of people on this forum would say is unhealthy, but it is not. I am a vegetarian. I use eggs and a little bit of Yogurt. And rarely some fish. I eat mostly fruits, Vegetables, nuts, seeds and grains. I use a fair amount of soy. Soy gets a bad rap but I do good on it. I use Organic only. Also I eat white potatoes almost everyday. They also do me good. They also get a bad rap that they do not deserve. Read this story here. "A couple of years ago, a potato farmer by the name of Chris Voigt got sick and tired of the “Potato-bashing” common in governmental programs and decided to prove everybody wrong by going on an all-potato diet for 60 days in a row.

Eventually, he added a bit of oil to the diet. Again, oil provides no nutrients and no protein. He used salt and seasonings on the potatoes.

It’s interesting to note that even when one can eat unlimited quantities of potatoes, it still becomes challenging to get enough calories.

On a diet composed almost exclusively of potatoes, he experienced the following benefits:

Weight dropped from 197 to 176

Glucose of 104 to 94

Cholesterol went from 214 to 147

Triglycerides from 135 to 75

Blood pressure was 112 over 70 by the end of the experiment.

3) Aussie Eats Only Potatoes for a Year

An Australian man took the challenge further and lived on various types of potatoes and nothing else for an entire year. Only with good results. Check it out here.

RE Nichols's avatar

I read that the traditional Irish diet consisted of potatoes and dairy along with a little oatmeal, legumes, cabbage and similar vegetables grown in their gardens. Those who lived along the coasts of Ireland ate fish instead of dairy. Despite poverty they enjoyed relatively good health till the potato famine.

Alan Fogle's avatar

I would like to add that I also eat a fair amount of Lentils and Legumes. I did not mention that in my long comment.

RE Nichols's avatar

Great sources of plant-based protein.

Dina Barzilai's avatar

I kicked my Kaiser to the curb in early 2020 bc I could see exactly where Covid was heading—coerced vaxxes. Now, literally my first criteria for a conventional doc or pharmacy is whether they refused to write or fill IVM scripts during Covid lol. If they pass that test, then i refine my criteria to specifics. I only need a doc for one thing really, well 2, but can’t afford it so just take care of my must pressing concern

Shel's avatar

Last resort.

I don't get why the people who don't have a real weight, insulin resistance, metabolic syndrome are taking it, but that's why some do.

Generica Persona's avatar

MD in Boise- he's a keeper!

MH's avatar

I don't get why people subject themselves to these drugs either but I can tell you I know many who are now taking them. I have one friend however who says for her it's not so much the weight but the calming of noise in her head about food. She's obsessed w food and battles her weight. So wonder what Dr's feel about this when it's more of a mental health issue.

Zoo_Tot's avatar

I'm not taking Ozempic, but I am taking another peptide I discovered online. I never knew how much I thought about food until I didn't. At all. I made it through the whole Christmas week with minimal snacking and almost no sugar. That's never happened before. The weight loss has been encouraging for sure, but zero food cravings has been the best part. I still enjoy my food, but in much smaller amounts. I can't stomach the sugar anymore.

PRice's avatar

Yes, 4 out of 5 Americans were duped into taking a genetics-altering jab earlier this decade. So we're only talking to the 1 out of 5 to keep them skeptical of trusting people in the medical fields.

Doctors would, outside of economic considerations, continue their ways. The medical professions attract an inordinate percentage of people who want to control other people's lives for no other reason than to have that control, irrespective of consequences to the controlled people. I observed the same attraction of sociopaths to the DC area when I lived there for thirty years.

TomNearBoston's avatar

Agreed. I was wondering about the percentage of docs/nurses that have "woken up" in the last five years. While the vast majority of the gen pop took the deathjab four years ago, few are still taking the clotshot boosters.

I wonder how many docs are still taking these shots. THAT would be a telling statistic.

RE Nichols's avatar

Every doctor who foisted the lockdown nonsense and injected mRNA into patients should be forced to get boosted with the clot shots six times a year for the rest of their lives. Evil. Just plain evil.

Annie's avatar

I cannot bare to see posters advertising “ free Pfizer vaccines” outside the doctors surgeries. Even now. Some people love free stuff

Jimmy Gleeson's avatar

My experience was interesting concerning a primary care physician.

She was adamant about mask wearing in the examination room and the policy was to mask in the waiting room as well. This was an indicator that the staff had been well indoctrinated into the narrative.

I was also encouraged to get the vaccine during my second doctor's visit. And when she asked for my reasons for not getting it, I hesitated. I was fully ready to say something like "for personal reasons," but instead, I had a list of reasons that I related to her.

1. It was for a disease that did not warrant a vaccine.

2. The experimental injection was untested for long-term/side effects.

3. It does not prevent infection/transmission.

4. It does not stay in the injection site.

Her main reaction was actually to the fourth thing on my list. She said, "of course, it just doesn't stay in the injection site." Yet this was one of the lesser points of the narrative. As if the vaccine behaved like the virus itself, only infecting the standing and walking, not the sitting and eating.

Following that were the main principles of the narrative often repeated.

My final visit to their office, I was unmasked out in the waiting room. I just decided not to because every time I wore a mask, it ruined a part of me. I also finally had my prosthetic, so the goal was no longer the incentive to go along with the ridiculous policy.

The appointment was after lunch and I was the first one. As I wheeled back to the doctor's area they were all "masking up" after lunch like a bunch of actors getting ready for a matinee performance.

I made it back to the examination room where the doctor in the midst of examining me, suddenly said. "You must wear a mask." And I related that I didn't have one, wherein she brought me one to wear. I complied, for her, as it was her examination room, and was cordial, but as soon as the exam was over and I was outside, the mask came back off.

PRice's avatar

Yes, and her mask came off a while before then.

Janet's avatar

I had a No Mask. I could breath just fine but it PO’d me to do it. I flew the day the mask mandate fell. You could actually feel the relief.

Janet's avatar

Her overlords demanded she wear it at all times despite what she knew to be true. Finish this thought with some Orwell.

RE Nichols's avatar

They should wear masks with "I Live by Lies!" emblazoned on them.

Annie's avatar
Jan 3Edited

That was so typical back then. Thankful I got a mask exemption from my doctor as I didn’t want my boys having to wear them in school. They were the only ones and all the kids would tell them they were jealous that they didn’t have to wear them! I also got an exemption for myself but the funny thing is I’m actually a dentist and as soon as I wasn’t treating my patients ( questionable use here also!) I would take it off, any questions, I’d tell them I had an exemption not to wear one. Left many so confused!!!

Nurse Outlier's avatar

I love this! Would love to have you for my dentist! My previous dentist told me she would stop seeing me because I was declining annual X-rays, non fluoride polish, etc...I found a biological dentist (had my first oral ozone) who I am happy with.

Towards the end of the mask mandates, a few of us nurses I worked with had had enough and stopped wearing them. We worked with “tattle tellers” who would report us to management who would then tell us it was a policy to wear them. One day, I told the manager you can’t pick and choose what policies to follow (and preceded to name some of the policies not being followed in the unit).

Annie's avatar

I love this too! Even now in 2026 I work with dentists that never take their masks off. I wished more people in and out of the medical system would look into why masks even became a thing historically. It’s not to keep germs away!

Contagion doesn’t exist!

There is no such thing as “virus”. Once they look into all of this… they could be free of all the fear! But that would be too hard as it’s not what they are fearing , the pathogens..… what they are fearing is realising they were fooled all along.

That’s a hard pill to swallow!

Generica Persona's avatar

Yes unfortunately greed is alive and well. MANY doctors have gained financially by inserting pharmaceuticals into their care procedure's - now have you ever been "diagnosed with a pharmaceutical deficiency?" - h/t to Dr. Bryan Ardis.

- You Can Heal - even if you took the jab

Please know that an organic diet from a RELIABLE source (ex: Amish Farm) will guarantee that no chemicals / drugs are used in their farming, unlike grocery stores which can slap on any USA label if "repackaged" once arriving in the USA. Secondly, knowing what mineral deficiencies you may have will aid in your health.

- learn more from Dr. Group -

https://globalhealing.com/ has great articles / videos, helping to EDU us on supplements.

Also, Dr. Lee Merrit on rumble does extensive research esp on Chlorine Dioxide

https://rumble.com/v5jvonp-dr.-lee-merritt-chlorine-dioxide-learn-this-a-basic-guide-to-get-started-gr.html

"Healing with DMSO" is also a very helpful book in learning how to treat yourself.

Your health is YOUR responsibility, not a doctor.

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Janet's avatar

The job is to be less screwed than you would be because we ALL have some product of the current and past screwing. Snd yet I am 77 and extremely healthy. You can’t break any bubble of mine, Deb.

Generica Persona's avatar

I'm w/ you Janet - we are both ageing well, like a fine wine

Janet's avatar

Lol. I try to be optimistic and do what makes me feel alive. I pray and see wonder around me. I have good friends and a marriage of 58 years. Blessings above what I dreamed. Being a health contrarian has helped too. Have a healthy new year, Generica. 😊👍🏻

Generica Persona's avatar

Lovely - yes I agree; being happy and sharing that joy is what its all about.

Happy New Year!

Generica Persona's avatar

No problem, like most people I am aware that chemtrails are everywhere ... however, the vaxx shot into most cattle / farm animals is an added toxin that I like to avoid.

Deb.Butler's avatar

I buy all my meat from northstarbison.com

All there animals are grass-fed and grass-finished, and field harvested. No injections. Another great source of the healthiest food as possible, is:

https://nourishfoodclub.com/

Pedro Pinheiro's avatar

Deb, thank you for the links. Much appreciated! To you, family and friends a most wonderful 2026 ahead! ❤️

Satan's Doorknob's avatar

The scary thing is that “aren’t what we thought” would have, in many if not most cases, been obvious to any specialist who’d looked at PUBLISHED clinical trials. Very often these show at best a mediocre result, yet the popular and specialist press promote the breakthrough or game-changer that this new drug/therapy/thing is, as if it's the great thing since antibiotics.

All the above is per Malcolm Kendrick, whom I generally believe. I’ve even spot checked some of his claims and, unlike many touted by Pharma, they hold up.

A separate problem, one already mentioned in this discussion I think, is that in many cases doctors are required by law to prescribe (not necessarily force) their patients to a certain course of treatment. Often they gain legal shield by so doing. Even if they know or suspect it’s not the best choice, they risk loss of reputation/hospital privileges/current job/any job if they deviate.

T_O_C_2's avatar

N=1. From a clinical perspective, GLP-1 cachexia and malnutrition are truly understand appreciated. As far as I can tell, particularly with moderate to long term use, there is no preferential recruitment site for fat and muscle loss. This means in addition to pulling protein from your skeletal muscles (which is bad enough), it is also pulling protein from your organs like your cardiac tissue or small fat deposits around certain organs ( that is suppose to be there for cushion). Iron, calcium, magnesium and cholines deficiency are common. Bowel paralysis is common, pancreatitis is more common than anyone wants to admit and to your point the classic line is that the drugs have been on the market forever , therefore they are safe. This completely ignores the hallmark rule in pharmacology, which is it is all about dose and frequency. This is empirically true. Instead of making the necessary behavioral changes you need to improve your health, you are proactively making someone sicker (who is probably sick to begin with). At this point, I refer out to anyone who wants to take these medications (after I explain my reasoning). I'm not dealing with it.

Janet's avatar

A post yesterday reports this will effect heart cells and you end up with a smaller and less efficient heart. Sure, I want that. PHARMA is still out to kill us, clutching our last available cash in their demon claws.

Abiding Dude's avatar

IMO, they prefer badly wounding you, instead of a quick death.

Profit stream maintained.

aprayerformonkey's avatar

Yes. It's a sort of genius. The authentic sadist does not want you to die.

Abiding Dude's avatar

Yes, many think the Big Pharma top players are Satan-worshipers, like zionist jews and marxist Dems.

I am not religious, but it sure could be!

Sharon Wood's avatar

Narcissists, sociopaths and psychopaths out for themselves and care none or little for others. Sad state of affairs. Evil personified.

Abiding Dude's avatar

Very true!

But it seems that those that have the power to stop them... are evil too...

Or at least compromised and/or bribed by the evil ones...

Lynda Hill's avatar

Please do think further along the lines of your final sentence here....The last book of the Bible; Revelation, tells us that the whole world will be deceived by these peoples...the Big Pharma and merchants and traders of the globe with their evil interests and intent. For sure though, it is not about ''religion' at all but genuine Christianity that will liberate you....the opposite of religion. Your line of thinking is spot on as we are at war - a spiritual war for man's souls.

Abiding Dude's avatar

Christianity represents around one-third of world pop. Very arrogant for a minority... yes, jews are far worse and so are radical islamists... but they have far stronger faith that most "christians", sadly.

Christianity "opposite of religion"... LOL!!

I am agnostic... I pray to my creator... it is sufficient, though you would certainly disagree.

Man has been corrupt and greedy... and often evil... since he evolved from microbes... most of us try to quell those impulses.

Keep your mythology to yourself... no offense.

Chuck's avatar

That is the game, or better yet their investment strategy. They (The Blob) want us to work and be productive (pay taxes) right up to receiving a return on our Social Security, then die as quickly and cheaply as possible. And yes, they are evil.

Janet's avatar

True that. 😤🤯

TomD's avatar

Not a doc and struggle with much of the scientific info but the muscle loss associated with this drug and your pointing out the pulling of protein around the organs should be enough to terrify anyone. Then we have all of the side effects. But all of these issues ultimately lead to more dollars for big pharma who will find another drug to solve these problems. Assuming of course you're still alive to add this to your drug regimen!

Thomas A Braun RPh's avatar

Unfortunately, most medical professionals buy into the false promises. I explain the reasoning why in my substack. Midwest Doc does an excellent job explaining to all who will listen why we must stop the medical carnage. Our senators in DC are key and they are brain dead. https://thomasabraunrph.substack.com/p/captured

Franklin O'Kanu's avatar

Obesity was known to be a lifestyle diseases associated with choices, but in medical schools, obesity is being framed as a “chronic disease,” further opening the door for GLPs:

https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/the-hidden-struggle-in-health-care

pimaCanyon's avatar

just looking at pictures of crowds of people in the US in the 1970's compared to the crowds of today tells the story. Those people in the 1970's (and earlier) were not taking drugs to "cure" them of obesity.

Jimmy Gleeson's avatar

I have a picture of myself in the early eighties as a teen building a sand castle. That was considered fat back in the day. These days people might consider that thin, or at least below average.

Janet's avatar

Saw a pic of a crowded beach from the 70s. Could not see one fat person on it. I lived then. That was true.

RE Nichols's avatar

I found lifestyle changes helped my depression. The SSRI drugs made it worse. But healthier living won't rake in the money for Big pHarma. They prefer us crippled, miserable, sick and dying 25 years earlier.

Doug Pounds's avatar

I am an electrical engineer. In 2005, I worked in Villach, Austria on a project for a month. Normally, I run every day at home in the U.S. When working during intense busniness trips, I tend to eat more and exercise less. This was no different on my Austria trip. By the end of the trip, I had actually lost a few pounds. When I flew home and landed in Philladelphia, the first thing I noticed was how obeese everyone was. It dawned on me then that I did not recall seeing any obeese person in Austria at all. It hit me then that there was obviously something dramatically different between the American and Austrian diets. I think it would be worth studying what the typical Austrian diet was back in 2005.

Xmen442002's avatar

Same thing happens to me when I travel to Indonesia.

I ten to eat more and lose weight always.

Elizabeth Reeves's avatar

The BBC has been pushing these horrible drugs on their main radio station , radio 4 , for months. I made an official complaint which of course got nowhere. It's appalling.

Sera's avatar
Dec 28Edited

Don’t give up, get others to join. Complaints have to reach a critical mass to be effective, and that can be daunting, but the whole point to their advertising is gone if enough people protest against it. Calls and letters can be effective. I’m totally with you.

Satan's Doorknob's avatar

Interesting. UK allows drug ads? Previously, I was under the impression that only two nations in the world, New Zealand and the US, allowed direct to consumer ads.

Elizabeth Reeves's avatar

It's pushing the drugs as a great thing ,disguised as phone in discussions 99% of people phoning sing the praises of the jabs) and reports . Worse than a straight ad I think. I have been really surprised to see TV adverts for the stuff because as you correctly say direct advertising isn't allowed. I don't know how they've managed that.

Matilda Bawden's avatar

Ozempic almost killed my Mum after 3 weeks. I also know people on it that haven't lost a kilo after starving themselves for months. Not worth the risk...

Jimmy Gleeson's avatar

A good many of these fixes come with risks. The whole gastric bypass thing was floated to me a couple of times. But from what those who did it relate, it sounds like another prison. Some stated they have to be hyper-aware of everything they eat. My ideal weight loss would be "not" thinking about it. I want to be the guy who doesn't remember when he has last ate. I can see why not having an appetite would be good, but how can you have that without some bad side effects like stomach paralysis and other gastrointestinal issues?

Also not a good weight loss plan: losing a leg to diabetic cellulitus.

Rob (c137)'s avatar

It's interesting how during the ozempic hype, compounding pharmacies were able to take this "injection only" and made oral formulations.

When it comes to drugs like this, splitting the dose is much better than a weekly injection. It's also safer than directly injecting this crap.

Why does modern medicine not understand the dose-response curve? Perhaps because they're just brutes.

How exactly does a weekly or monthly injection get distributed through the other days? They don't even know....

Ugh the obsession with injections grosses me out. They pull the same shit with vaccines, osteoporosis, and infusions of other crap.

I asked a friend who worked in pharma about why the obsession with injections and she said they use that "applicator" to keep it patented. When the time runs out, they change the applicator and can continue another patent period on that, even though the drug didn't change!

The medical pharma system is one big snake oil system.

No wonder why they still promote garbage like STATINS and beta blockers which have no evidence but do create issues.

It's a shit show.

https://robc137.substack.com/p/allergic-to-bullshit

TnDoc's avatar

Thanks for writing this - much needed! These are indeed dangerous pharma products and I try to dissuade patients from using these things whenever I have opportunity.

As to "...obesity has been continuously rising and that, like many other chronic illnesses, we haven’t been given an explanation for why it is happening...."

I am convinced that THE most significant driver for this is the life trauma caused by our toxic culture in Amerika, Inc. (and, most of the West). We are ruled over by clinically-certifiable psychopaths and we have allowed them to create a society that is anti-Humankind. All is sacrificed to the envy and greed of a relatively small percent of our population who are clearly multi-generational psychopaths. "They" control every institution in this failing state and have corrupted the very laws of the land to insure their control over an obedient peasant class. They rule by promoting constant fear and deprivation. They literally ooze hate with every word and action.

This way of life - of living with one another in constant, purposely-created chaos and fear - is not sustainable and is now beginning to collapse. TPTB recognize that their control grid is weakening and, hence, we see their frantic attempts to retain power by endless performative events - from illegal wars and technocratic expansion of our Surveillance/Police State to the destruction of our meager social support networks. What better emblems to mark the collapse than our amputated White House besmirched with gaudy gold-painted escutcheons, our skies covered by a "Golden Dome", our seas filled with Trump Class battleships, and our streets filled with neo-einsatzgruppen thugs? Thankfully, we will soon have marble arm rests for "Trump"-Kennedy Center seating and a golden ball room and triumphal arch to rival Versailles. It's all "unlike anything ever done or seen before".

The good news is that this is all ending - the bad news is that there will be blood before it is over...

Those here are certainly among the "awake' and we can make a difference by simply being kind to one another, helping our neighbor, and rejecting the constant gas-lighting from on high.

Thanks, as always, for your voice, MwD!

Xmen442002's avatar

TPTB managed to get 70% of the US population to take the covid bio weapons shots.

So they remain patient until the numbers are reduced into their favor which is more controllable.

This reduction is coming very quickly and is well under way.

TnDoc's avatar

Agree. It is very sad to watch. I do have tremendous empathy and sympathy for those who were unable to break free of the Matrix into which all of us are born. About the only way for any of us awaken is to experience significant life trauma that blasts one out of the herd. It takes a proverbial 2x4 to the side of one's head to break free...

Xmen442002's avatar

that does not even work.

I think it's the reality that many of us understand that we are alive and living a woken nightmare, but as such, life goes on and we can only control the little bit we have direct control over and influence and the rest belongs to GOD to handle.

Sharon Wood's avatar

You make it sound like our current prez is much worse than the former. That is by design to keep us divided. Divide and conquer. Both are on the inside and most of us are on the outside.

TnDoc's avatar

We have had nothing but psychopaths in that office my entire 70+ years - with the possible exceptions of Eisenhower, JFK, and Carter. Mencken nailed it long ago:

“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”

― H.L. Mencken, On Politics: A Carnival of Buncombe

We are there.

RE Nichols's avatar

When I say bad things about Trump folks accuse me of liking Biden or Harris. How about none of the above?

Felipe Lopeceron's avatar

The TDS sufferer will "... literally ooze hate with every word and action."... "to insure their control over an obedient peasant class."

So sad, so much talent... and hope: "Those here are certainly among the "awake' and we can make a difference by simply being kind to one another, helping our neighbor, and rejecting the constant gas-lighting..."

TnDoc's avatar

Sadly, the issue is much bigger than Cheeto Jeezus! When he tweets off the stage into that great good night, there will be many more to replace him. Their numbers are legion...

Sharon Wood's avatar

Both parties are again us.

TnDoc's avatar

The Ruling Psychopathy - the unelected would-be rulers of the Universe - the very real 1% - are against we-the-99% of Humankind. Right vs Left - Dem vs Repub - are all on the same team at the end of the day... And, then there are the religious divides which are used to further divide and manage the herd. It is sad.

Linda H's avatar

The Right Hand Path and the Left Hand Path are at war with each other. And the rest of the world is stuck in the middle.

Michael B.'s avatar

When one is living 1/2 paycheck to another. 1/2~~Starving emotionally, spiritually, In a world seething with the stench of the UruKai..one will eat grass, tree bark, and dirt..to achieve that 'full belly' false satiation.And look with despair at the children about..we cannot care for..only love as they die in our arms..those near and far away. " We are all one people" a Gikuyu bride said to me..

They pray, do what is before to be done..rise in the next morning and begon again.

TnDoc's avatar

Oqaqokukakekayo Okungaqaqi Kuyishiyelaabanye

Zulu proverb: Man can only do so much.

Allan katz's avatar

While pushing Ozempic, the media is silent abour recent study showing that the big money making Statins reduce natural body glp1 hormones by more than 50%

Satan's Doorknob's avatar

Well-noted, citizen. It’s well known that statins work by impairing the body’s production of not only cholesterol, but a whole list of essential substances the body needs to operate properly. And thanks for mentioning it; this surely is an opening for Pharma to prescribe yet more drugs to make up for those shortfalls.

God help any physician that would dare suggest that perhaps the best solution, from the patient’s point of view, were to stop taking the statin.

kim's avatar

It makes me wonder what other meds decrease natural GLP-1s?

Ned B.'s avatar

My facetious observation is that, with the cost and dangers of these glp-1 weight loss drugs, it would be cheaper and more effective to use street drugs like cocaine and methamphetamine.

TnDoc's avatar

Might even increase productivity! LOL!

Sera's avatar

Right, there aren’t a lot of obese junkies. I know you’re joking, but I’ve had a lot of experience with various illegal drugs, and I always note that cocaine is based on a traditional leaf chewed by native cultures if South America, and heroin is based on the poppy. In their original forms they were not particularly dangerous, or even illegal, until it became politically expedient. In America that point was reached when a young black singer decided that hanging her friends from trees was a nasty thing to do. (See: Billie Holiday vs. Harry Anslinger).

I’m not recommending drugs, I stopped taking drugs stronger than aspirin decades ago. I concur with Keith Richards’ (c. 1978) view “I don’t have a drug problem, I have a police problem.”

BethanyAnne's avatar

Heh...back in the day, we used to refer to that as the "ten thousand dollar diet".

Mark's avatar

What do we have here with our system of FDA Approval? Have we seen this phenomenon before in the history of civilization? In Western cultures, we once looked to the Vatican as the ultimate source of truth. When the Vatican said the Earth was the center of the solar system, then that was TRUTH; heresy was to speak of anything else.

Today, if the FDA says a new drug is safe and effective, then that is the TRUTH; heresy is to speak of anything else. Doctors prescribe it knowing that FDA's Approval is an iron-clad defense against malpractice. We, consumer-patients, blindly rely on our doctors' faith in the FDA. We are no more skeptical than our doctors.

Ordinarily, consumers maintain a healthy skepticism of manufacturers' puffery claims about their products. Not all of us, to be sure, but enough of us to be alert for signs that manufacturers' claims might not be absolute TRUTH.

This natural skepticism is muted when our acknowledged source of TRUTH steps in to take precedence. We accepted what our mothers told us about the food they were serving being healthy. We accept our doctors' prescriptions when they tell us they are safe and effective. This acceptance is all based on a naive belief in authority.

FDA is not omniscient. We know that. And so, we must break its monopoly over our natural naivete. The ONLY way to accomplish this is to remove its power to grant its FDA Approval imprimatur. We would be better off with a system that collects safety and effectiveness data from physicians. Countless independent researchers could then scour these reports looking for evidence of safety and effectiveness. Insurers and manufacturers would rely on such independent analysis to decide whether the litigation risk outweighs the profitability potential of continuing to market a drug. Physicians would rely on such analysis to decide whether to recommend to patients that their particular case warranted the risks in using a drug.

With the advent of AI, everyone - from the manufacturers to the patients - would have prompt access to the universe of independent analysis. Yes, it would be a fuzzy picture. Some researchers' studies of the data would say the drug is safe and effective; others' analyses would say it is safe but not effective, or vice versa.

We would lose the pseudo-certainty of the FDA Approval imprimatur. And that should be our goal if we really believe in the scientific method. Until we take this course, we will continue the human nature impulse to look to our mothers, the Vatican, and the FDA to know TRUTH.

Valora Kilby's avatar

The stumbling block is the funding and iron grip on FDA policy created by Big Pharma. There is no transparency and as long as the two are in bed together, the interests of the public takes the back seat.

Abiding Dude's avatar

RFK is often being blocked by the corrupt maggot Wiles... who is a stooge for both Big Pharma and Genocidal Israel.

IMO... Bobby should loudly speak this truth and then resign.

Valora Kilby's avatar

IMO the only way that the Big Pharma and Insurance cartels can be dismantled is through public awareness that this two giants are not here for their benefit, but view them as lifetime customers to line pockets. In addition, the fact that the FDA is not a governmental agency, but a corporation highly funded by Big Pharma must be brought to light. This may be in our not too distant future as the Covid scam is unveiled and the true intent of the Biological Operating System known as a vaccine is brought to light. RFK must have public backing for the dissolution and rebuilding of the current health system. He cannot be successful on his own.

Abiding Dude's avatar

WRONG. The is a government entity, not a corporation. It is a federal agency within the United States Department of Health and Human Services.

Yes, it is heavily influenced by Big Pharma.

WRONG: No, RFK does not need public backing to act. What form do you think "public backing" would take, anyway?

It doesn't help when Trump kisses Pfizer Bourla's ass in the Oval Office... nor does his continued bragging about his "Warped Speed" disaster... or his obvious continued support of the Covid death-jabs. He just took another booster a month or two ago.

Valora Kilby's avatar

It is my understanding that the entire government is a corporation. You and I are corporate entities according to the registration of our birth certificates. This is why we have to get a license to do anything, a permission slip of sorts to participate as a corporation. The CDC is corporate. Th

Abiding Dude's avatar

Ah... one of those, eh?

Don't pay taxes either... right?

Mark's avatar

Insurance and FDA are independent problems. I choose to address only FDA here.

The solution is actually quite simple, but extremely difficult to effectuate. Those of us who are educated remember the axiom: "The power to tax is the power to destroy." A corollary is: "The power to approve is the power to enter into a symbiotic parasitic relationship." Imagine a mafia that collects protection money from bars. The mafia is a parasite. The bars pay the protection money, but then expect the mafia for services in return. If a trouble-maker is constantly interfering with the bar's business, the mafia will deal with the troublemaker.

BIG-Pharma pays 40% of FDA's budget. That's the mafia extracting protection money. In return, the FDA will Approve only those drugs that BIG-Pharma has invested countless millions in FDA-"supervised" clinical trials designed and run by BIG-Pharma. The small bio-pharma companies that do the initial research can't afford to undergo clinical trials. So, BIG-Pharma has a quasi-monopoly on bringing new drugs to market.

Suppose, for the sake of analysis, that the consumer-patient and his physician get ZERO value out of the FDA-supervised clinical trials. In this scenario, the FDA is granting Big Pharma a monopoly with ZERO evidence of safety and efficacy.

I do not hold that the public derives ZERO value from FDA-supervised clinical trials. I suppose it gets SOME value. But, the public pays a price. Or, rather, that it pays many prices. What is the sum-total of prices the public pays for the "SOME" value delivered by FDA-supervised clinical trials?

One is delay. A drug can't be marketed until it clears the FDA hurdle. That takes many years. The public is deprived of the benefits of a useful drug while it is in-FDA-process. During that time the 20-year patent is wasting away. This reduces the manufacturer's opportunity to profit from selling this drug at a premium price. So, drug companies have less incentive to speculate on developing and bringing to market new drugs.

You might find no reason to object to this. OK. So, let's have Congress pass a law forbidding FDA from approving a drug until 19 years, 364 days have expired from the date of the patent filing. That would give FDA the luxury of time to evaluate the safety and efficacy of a new drug. And, it would reduce to a single day the amount of time the drug company would have to profit from its patent.

That would bring new drug development to a complete halt. Is that a price you are willing to pay? No new drug would ever be developed.

The thing we have to evaluate here is whether the value of FDA-supervised clinical trials provides enough value relative to the next-best-alternative evaluation scheme to offset the disincentives of delaying bringing new drugs to market.

Moreover, what if the next-best-alternative evaluation scheme were arguably superior to the FDA's scheme? The whole Protestant Revolution was based on the argument that there were alternatives to the TRUTH dictated ex cathedra by the Pope. How are We the People of the US so certain that there can be no superior way to the TRUTH about safety and efficacy than that designed by the FDA?

Once We the People understand the foregoing line of reasoning, we can tell our CongressCrittrers to strip FDA of its power to approve new drugs. That breaks the parasitic symbiotic relationship between FDA and BIG-Pharma. In my view (as an economist) this is the ONLY solution.

Incidentally, we might also ask our CongressCritters to implement another scheme to promote the evaluation of safety and efficacy. Perhaps a system of reporting patient outcomes and side effects. Possibly authorizing testing laboratories, such as those that exist for appliances (i.e., Underwriters Laboratories). Or funding universities to use their graduate students to competitively evaluate new drugs while manufacturers are marketing them.

Mark's avatar

So break that iron grip by stripping FDA of the power to approve.

PRice's avatar

You have to separate out learned behavior to assert herd-following as human nature.

Janet's avatar

I’ve read a pill —Ozempic in a capsule— is coming out and much cheaper. I know several folks on Ozempic now. My nephew in his 50’s for a year now doesn’t look good and seems sad. His joy in food and other things in his life is gone. But, hey, he’s much thinner. I want to scream because I’m sure my 19 yr old grandson will reach out for that soon and docs, who never say no to patients (except if I need thyroid med T3.—absolutely NO then) will hand it out to a young person. I read if Medicare and Medicare pay for this, kiss our health system and everything else goodbye.

MarkGW's avatar

I too am seeing pill versions instead of injectables and I am seeing $200 / mo as new pricing of ozympic alternatives.

Frank's avatar

As a clinical pharmacologist, I wish that this article be compulsory reading for all medical students. Well done MWD!

Over the past decade, I've helped about 1500 patients reverse insulin resistance. Moslty successfully.

Here's teh thing: reversing insulin resistance requires fasting (24 hrs or more at a time) and animal protein. Yes, there are nuances to this, but that's the long and short of it. Of course, cutting out carbs and sugars is important, too, etc etc.

The benefits of GLP-1 agonists are mostly those of fasting. However, you can actually save money by fasting, while GLP-1's cost a shedload of $$. And the side effects of fasting stop within minutes of you stopping the fast. Converseley, the side effects of GLP-1's could be with you for life.

When semaglutide was launched a quickl look at the structural formula convinced me that this drug would suppress glucagon long-term. I maintain that, despite the media obfuscation, this is the main mechanism of action. It is buried deep in the list of potential mechanisms of action, with BP hoping you won't notice it's there.

Glucagon suppression gives short-term gains (insulin drops, weight drops), but also explains the gastric paresis and many other side effects.

Sadly, it is very hard / impossible (read: expensive) to test glucagon levels.

There is a strong case to be made that GLP-1 agonists will be effective in treating Type 1 diabetes (only 1 injection / week instead of multiple daily injections), but the side effect profile will probably sink it for these patients. Type 1 diabetes is actually, mostly, a glucagon overshoot disease.

And here we get to the core of GLP-1 agonists: Once discontinued, the body goes into glucagon overproduction. I cannot prove this statement by tests, since I cannot test for glucagon, but I can see the results. My ex-semaglutide patients effectively become Type 1 diabetics for months afterwards (typically 18-24 months). Glood glucose levels spike sky-high. I've learned to treat these spikes with a light hand. Giving insulin in these cases is the worst thing possible, since then the glucagon overshoot continues even longer. Instead, I help them go strictly keto and fast for 72 hrs at a time, once or twice a month. This way, they do not regain weight. An exercise program helps them to regain lsot muscle mass.

GLP-1 agonists are like the Covid jab: Designed to produce BP revenue streams for decades to come. That is why they are promoted to everyone. Nobody at the (old) FDA wants a placebo group.

The fight against GLP-1 agonists is one of the most important fights of this decade. If we don't win it, the next generation will be lost to MAHA.

(Apologies for typing errorss)

E.Y.'s avatar

Excellent post , Frank ! Dr Jason Fung , nephrologist , has treated obesity in his patients with intermittent fasting . He will work remotely with an interested patient and their physician , too . He wrote The Obesity Code . He said that intermittent fasting accomplishes the same thing as the gastric bypass , but is a non surgical low risk solution . It does however require self discipline . Western culture , more than Eastern , is an immediate gratification culture . It takes self discipline and willpower to prep your own meals for work , or fill a crockpot in the morning , or learn to use a pressure cooker . Fast foods are getting quite expensive , so perhaps we will see a necessary shift to home cooking . I think any weight loss plateaus could be fixed eliminating seed oils and shifting to more omega3s in the diet … grassfed beef , cold water fish . Learn to eat them . Let medicine be your food !!

Frank's avatar

It was a 2015 meeting with Jason Fung that catapulted me into this direction He deserves a Nobel prize (although he simply highlighted something we knew and then forgot).

kim's avatar

Hi Frank. Allulose has been mentioned as boosting GLP-1s naturally. Would that also suggest it, in turn, suppresses glucagon production?

Frank's avatar

Based on structure, I dount it. Personally, I believe xylitol does the same as allulose, but allulose is the new kid on the block getting all the research dollars. My take on sweeteners is that they should be a bridge to a non-sweet diet. If sweetness is needed, raw honey is the best nutritional option (being a pre- and probiotic at the same time). In short: a little bit of a non-nutritive sweetener is unlikely to sink the Titanic, but I don't like them in principle. They extend the pain of sweetness addiction.

Susan Brown's avatar

I am in complete agreement with the dangers of how the GLP-1s are being used by conventional doctors, however, I've had a positive experience of using a GLP-1 under the care of my Functional medicine practice. I'm 60, active, and have been eating a whole foods, organic (as much as possible) diet for 20+ years. Raw milk, grass-fed beef, Weston A Price/Dr. Ray Peat style diet. Still high inflammation markers and some abdominal fat I could not get rid of. After several months of detox and gut health protocols, I did 3 months of micro doses of a GLP-1 specifically chosen for my particulars. Side effects were minor. I had weekly scans to make sure I wasn't losing muscle mass, and lost about 1 pound per week on average. I've been off of it for over a month, and have lost an additional pound or two because I'm maintaining my activity level and healthy eating habits. We'll see how things progress as I move forward, but so far I'm pleased with how it went. Of course - how many people are willing to be such active participants in their health, and how many people have access to alternative practitioners? And - how many can afford them, since insurance doesn't usually cover these types of treatments?

Michelle Enmark, DDS's avatar

Excellent points, Susan. I think it’s important to note that micro dosing GLP-1s can have a positive effect, without the negative side effects, if you’re doing all the other things necessary ( weight training, consuming adequate protein, supporting digestion, detoxifying, etc). Important article by AMD with key points the public needs to know. Dr. Tyna Moore talks a lot about GLP1s and micro dosing, utilizing compounded products. Most allopathic medical practitioners do not know anything about this way of prescribing. The same holds true for thyroid medication such as Naturthroid or Armour taken as microdoses to optimize T3 and T4 levels. It’s a nuanced discussion for sure.

kim's avatar

How much was the micro dose? I see an alternative practitioner but was not recommended a micro dose. I must say that I am still working and recently widowed. My mind hasn't been focused for almost a year due to my own and my DHs illness.