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Gary Morgan's avatar

Back before the ban, I stockpiled a bunch of heavy duty incadescent bulbs since I hate fluorescent or LED ones!!!

Ted's avatar
Sep 18Edited

I managed to get what appeared to be the last three full cases of incandescents still offered as NOS (new old stock.)

When you can find private sellers, prices for a 40 watt bulb are now up around seven dollars each.

Bring back the original GE "Reveal" bulbs, the best standard bulb for reading and comforting ambient light that I found.

The ban was all about "saving energy," they said. "Save" it for whom, precisely? Suddenly, data centers are in the news, but the California grifters carefully avoided mentioning that for every watt "saved," two watts were added by the ongoing data center buildouts and other tech bro projects.

It was the height of hypocrisy to label these totalitarian behavior controls as resulting from "liberal" values.

Anyway, thanks for an interesting and useful article today, Doc.

Anecdotally; I was production manager in a print shop, back in the eighties. The pressroom and bindery were brightly lit with standard fluorescents. The shop was in financial trouble, and I was hired to turn that red ink to black.

I noticed that the rework rate on custom-colored-ink jobs was high, owing to imprecise color-matching, particularly on overcast days. The pressmen and quality control staff were in the habit of going outside to proof the color, and overcast days did not provide the best light. Once back in the pressroom, consistency of ink density over long press runs, was substandard.

I did some press runs myself, just to see if it was a staff competency issue, and my own work didn't consistently meet my standards, either. The shop I'd last worked in, was a high-end facility, and the color matching standard was very high. It had color-corrected fluorescents in the pressroom, and eyestrain was never a problem.

So I got a lighting specialist in to give a bid on changing out the lights to what were, in essence daylight-spectrum (or as close as you could get,) and ran the numbers against the rework costs for the prior year.

The numbers penciled, I had the lighting changed out and not only did the rework essentially stop, the staff's moods brightened and the atmosphere in the shop seemed to gain vitality.

Fast forward four-ish decades to a different company, and my office bulbs were replaced with LEDs that were supposedly equivalent to the color-corrected bulbs I'd had the company install, some years before, in that windowless office.

They're garbage. I work from home quite a bit, these days, and a few hours after driving over to the office, I can feel the difference in mood, concentration and eyestrain.

yantra's avatar

as we learned during "covid" (not to mention numerous other shenanigans over the years), "liberal" doesn't mean what it used to.

it's been -co-opted, kind of like "smart" and "friend".

Swabbie Robbie's avatar

As did I, but have run out. The only incandescent bulbs I am seeing now is what you put in the oven. I have a high intensity desk lamp and had a number of bulbs for it I am on my last one now. So, I am happy that a bill is introduced to bring incandescent bulbs back. I try to be outside as much as I can. I am over 75 and I Look forward to working in the garden and general outside tasks. I ride two e-bikes, one a mountain bike style the other a gravel bike with a mid-drive motor. They get me out in the sun and the fresh air and get to eat up some scenery. But, the weather for riding in just a T-shirt is quickly coming to an end.

I do wear blue blocker glasses when I am on the computer because that light from the monitor isn't good for us either, particularly because of all the time I'm here reading all the substacks I am subscribed to <evil grin>.

ted's avatar

You can get them online. They're just expensive.

Deborah's avatar

Depends where you live. Not in California. I buy flicker free LED's with 3 levels of lighting - 4000k, 2100k, 1800k, controlled from a regular light switch. Minimal blue, and a spectrograph that shows the spectrum of the light. Even on the 4000k there is the tiniest of tiny blue spikes - nothing at all like normal LEDs. https://www.blockbluelight.com/collections/sleep-enhancing-lighting/products/full-spectrum-light-bulb

I replaced aging fluorescent tubes in a light shelf with these. Noticed big drop in tension on the skin the first night.

marilynm's avatar

I have been trying for months with no results. I need help!

Sue's avatar

I have purchased from this company... they are a bit pricey though.

Gwyneth's avatar

Agreed, but the bulbs last significantly longer than regular incandescents which changes the value.

NachoPillow's avatar

A lot less than the blueblockers above ($31 per bulb)!

JudyC's avatar

Thanks for the link!

Brewer55's avatar

Yikes! $12.95 per bulb!

Sue Dough's avatar

I tried, the supplier send the foreign opposite turn bulbs. Compare the relation between cataract's during incandescent and LED bulb's. I am down to my last 2 bulbs! I might have to return to candle.

Cherie Zaslawsky's avatar

Me too! More important than stockpiling rice and beans!

Randy's avatar

Until your rice and beans run out.

Barbara Charis's avatar

Rice and beans...foods that fill the stomach...but not filled with vibrant health. Our family made it through the Great Depression ...on fresh air and sunshine. There was no money for food...but somehow we survived.

CK's avatar

Where did you find the heavy duty incandescent bulbs? My husband is having a hard time finding them. We had to return the ones on Amazon because they were defective, got too hot or burnt out or didn't work at all. Very cheap quality bulbs!

Elaine's avatar

I too, stock piled incadescent.

Susan M. Sulc's avatar

Me too….whenever I find incandescent bulbs at yard sales, etc , I always get them and I have quite a stockpile of various wattage.

Also….check out the work of Dr Jack Kruse., a neuro surgeon. He promotes red-light therapy and I first learned about how computer blue screens promote type 2 diabetes, especially among teenage, video gamers …. They also don't get outside and enjoy fullspecttum sun light enough. Take away the video controllers and kick your kids outside!

Busterdog's avatar

I know, it’s so sad. Upon reading this post I thought about my childhood and how we never used sunscreen and how we played outside or in and out grabbing stuff to take outside, climbing trees, riding bikes, walking back and forth to school about a half mile each way, and a half hour outside before class started, half hour after lunch outside, and PE outside plus two recess periods. I think we spent about five hours outside a day, and then some of us had horses to ride and that was a lot of extra time outside.

And no sunglasses!

Our health was pretty amazing…

CK's avatar

Where did you find the heavy duty incandescent bulbs? My husband is having a hard time finding them. We had to return the ones on Amazon because they were defective, got too hot or burnt out or didn't work at all. Very cheap quality bulbs!

alienjalina's avatar

Can I offer to trade some cash for any of those? 🙏

I am not as wise + didn’t see it coming. <\3

Roslyn Ross's avatar

Similar but runningout

JudyC's avatar

Ditto. I still find them on+line and stock up every chance I get.

Blakely Peele's avatar

I have been wondering how to hold class outside for my children. I need an outdoor whiteboard 😆

We have been opening the windows to let the sun stream in.

I love my incandescent chandeliers.

Elusive1's avatar

R u homeschoolong? We did!

How abt an old fashioned style chalkboard?

Blakely Peele's avatar

Yes we are, I love it.

Wondering about a weather proof one? I have a 10 foot white board in our classroom and we use the whole darn thing every day. We’re doing first grade and there is so much daily review it’s insane. Much easier to have review on either end and a working space in the middle that gets erased each subject.

Elusive1's avatar

Good for you! Lol

First grade!!!!! awwww

I miss it, but there's no going back. 😥

Treasure each day! 💐

Jennie Corsi's avatar

Why did we forsake chalkboards? Are white boards actually superior? Aren’t the markers full of toxic VOCs, etc?

StayCreative's avatar

Opening the windows is great!

Sarah Barrett's avatar

I started replacing all my light bulbs with full spectrum incandescent bulbs over a decade ago. My house is now full of these bulbs, mostly they are chromalux brand, which you can still buy. I also have a stash in the garage in case they stop making them.

ted's avatar

Yeah, that's the kind I got. It's just the cost that hurts. I wish they had a discount brand. Everything costs too much these days. It becomes harder and harder to pay for the things I need.

Susan M. Sulc's avatar

I always buy them at garage, estate sales. I have a large plastic tub full of various wattage and the light they produce helps me to stay calm and sane. I believe that there has been legislation introduced to bring them back to the market. Eliminating incandescent bulbs in favor of 'energy saving' ones was the evil work by Obama .... that man did more damage to this country than people realize.

Runemasque's avatar

I have bought a bunch of Chromalux. They have not lasted long for me, though. Less than a year. I do want them, but I also wished they lasted longer for me. I wonder if I'm messing them up somehow.

JudyC's avatar

I think the only solution is to use them where you spend most of your time and used cheaper bulbs in less frequented locations. In our case, kitchen, hubby’s desk, and our living room lamp where we read.

Sarah Barrett's avatar

Wow. Mine have lasted for over 10 years for most of the bulbs. They are rated for 5000 hours, maybe they are not lasting this long for you? In my case I've run them for over 5000 hours and they still work. Not sure why the difference.

Panalyst's avatar

Lower voltage increases lamp life. (110 v versus 120 v can make a significant difference)

I put a variac dimmer on a favorite projection light and set the voltage to 80% , so unless it gets a jolt, the filament should last thousands of hours.

I like variac dimming because it does not vibrate the filaments the way household electronics dimmers do.

PS: I worked in motion picture lighting.

Sarah Barrett's avatar

Interesting. Maybe this explains why the bulbs last so long for me.

Runemasque's avatar

They seem pricey. If you have lamps with the Chromalux, what is the best way to integrate a (cheaper) variac dimmer? Do you try to plug as many lamps as possible into a power strip connected to the dimmer? Or only what can be connected directly?

Runemasque's avatar

I will try to look this up. This is a very helpful comment. Thank you.

Runemasque's avatar

I don't know why, but they are short lived for me. I want them to last.

NachoPillow's avatar

I mentioned earlier that folks should check their electrical systems (i.e. too may circuits on a breaker, do they have a whole house surge protector, do they experience brownouts, is the electrical service properly sized for the home (100 AMP, 150 AMP, etc))? Also, most of the electronics is made in China.

Tracy Rogers's avatar

where do you buy incandescent bulbs? thank you

Sarah Barrett's avatar

incandescents in general, can try the goodbulb.com website. full spectrum incandescents, try healthylighting.com website.

Carol B's avatar

Agree. Did not last long.

Sarah Barrett's avatar

Found additional source. Website is called goodbulb. Made in the USA. Their incandescent bulbs use the filaments for "rough service" bulbs, so these bulbs should not burn out as fast as those with regular filaments.

Steveo's avatar

Wonder if they ship to any state?

Sean's avatar

I’m so thankful you writing this! I have vestibular migraines which are heavily triggered by LED’s. They are everywhere; work, stores and the lights on cars make me so dizzy! And there is nothing I can do about it. I hardly drive anymore. Even in the daytime, these LED headlights are so bright, and some (Toyota is the worst) I can see flickering, which instantly makes me dizzy, and feels like the back of my eyeballs are being squeezed. And don’t get me started about Christmas and all the horrible, low quality LED lights that make me nauseous. VM affects so many people and most don’t know it. They Dr’s claim anxiety. And yes, feeling dizzy and not knowing why causes anxiety!! Took me 15 years to discover VM was the culprit. Unfortunately every doctor I went to (family, neurology, ent, you name it) said I was fine. I hope at some point incandescents come back. Life is not fun with LED. Hard to work. Hard to shop. And not impossible to drive. I’m considering a Tesla for self driving just so I can get somewhere if my wife can’t take me. Anyway, thanks for the article!!!

yantra's avatar

but Teslas have the worst LED headlights - the brightest, bluest most piercing ones i have seen. also terribly strong radar - teslas 2023 and newer have 77GHz radar with a forward range of 150 to 250 meters - that's 490 to 820 feet!! - you don't want to have one of those behind you or coming at you.

between the LED headlights and the radar, i stay off the roads as much as possible these days.

LWB's avatar

What is “VM”?

yantra's avatar

vestibular migraine.

Craig's avatar

The infrared from incandescent bulbs is not wasted inside, during heating season. The heating season also has less daylight so artificial lighting is used more. Desk lamps, table lamps and other lamps that are closer to people heat up people directly since infrared is radiant. If the lighting is limited to where people are then the heat from the bulbs ends up heating people "space". Even if bulbs are left on in unoccupied spaces the heat still adds to the overall heat of the house. Therefore, almost no energy is wasted by incandescent bulbs during the heating season.

JudyC's avatar

Which is why they work great in my greenhouse!

Wings2Learning's avatar

Just another reason why our children are struggling in schools. They’re sitting under fluorescent lightning all day.

Michael Guy's avatar

This is great news! Kudos to Senator Lee. Perhaps worth noting is that it was proven to be perfectly feasible to make an incandescent bulb with elements that would stop functioning only when the glass was broken. Sadly for obvious profit motivation, the elements were produced with a limited lifetime.

Leslie Sacha's avatar

I’m retired now, but I worked many jobs that required extensive reading & writing Even in my twenties I never could see all that well under fluorescent lights. Hence I always insisted on having a table lamp fitted with a 150 watt incandescent bulb on my desk at work. However, at one new government job, the Human Resources and office management folks got together and required i bring in a doctor’s note saying I needed a 150 watt incandescent lightbulb before they would allow me my lamp. I still recall asking my doctor for a written prescription. She responded to this nonsensical request with: “How the hell am I supposed to tell what you need to see?”. Gratefully she agreed to write the prescription, probably just to quiet my begging. I’ve kept that prescription to this day and it still makes me laugh. When the energy Nazis came after light bulbs (though somehow it was ok for high tech firms to use as much energy as they wanted) , and then when Biden went on to ban even 100 watt incandescent lightbulbs, I bought up the inventories of lightbulbs getting. dumped by big box stores and turned into a genuine light bulb hoarder. (Note: I worked in the environmental field for 25 years and I always thought this policy was nuts.) I still have a lot of my bulb collection and now give highly appreciated birthday gift light bulbs to good friends & family who like to read books & newspapers. I’ll probably include something in my will to fairly distribute any remaining functional loot. It’s just a blessing to see.

pimaCanyon's avatar

"the Human Resources and office management folks got together and required i bring in a doctor’s note saying I needed a 150 watt incandescent lightbulb before they would allow me my lamp" Unbelievable! Over the years I have come to see how government oversight and regulation has destroyed whatever semblance of real capitalism we ever had. There's a simple rule about defining capitalism that goes like this: If the government is involved, it is NOT capitalism!

Tammy Lou's avatar

I'm old enough to remember Bush 41's announcement that they were phasing out the incandescent bulbs, upon which I immediately purchased as many incandescents as I could get my hands on, knowing the health dangers of the LEDs. I still have several hundred incandescent bulbs in my stash, even after sharing with friends and neighbors.

https://heyzine.com/flip-book/2de8d55095.html

Robert Welch's avatar

Yet another example of another way we are harmed by actions that result from deception. At some

point doesn't the light bulb go on, speaking of, and one realizes that "they're " trying to harm / kill us, not just for profit, but as an ongoing program ?

When people basically paint themselves and their children with sunblock in order to keep those " harmful" sun rays off us, we are introducing toxins into the body that do significant harm. Hawaii and Palau have banned chemical sunscreen containing ingredients like oxybenzone and octinoxate to protect coral reefs. So, uncommon sense would tell someone that if it kills coral, what the blankety-blank damage does it to to people ?????

I could probably list 50 ways that we are being harmed / killed by products and activities that are a result of deceit, propaganda, rules and regs, etc..... And the list is expanding.

Kelly McCulloch's avatar

Somebody help me find a source for incandescent. My stash is getting low! I hope Mike Lee succeeds in leading this charge and that we return to standard time in November and stay there.

Michael's avatar

There for awhile “New Incandescent” was a company, with industrial bulbs.

TiredCitizen's avatar

I loaded up on good old incandescent light bulbs before moving to a new home. Already used them in my last one. I went around replacing almost every single bulb in this house. Couldn’t do two ceiling fans because manufacturers have another trick up their sleeve: make the light kits as one unit with the ceiling fan. Light kit goes dead and, well, time for a new ceiling fan. You have to be very careful in choosing ceiling fans now. I love the regular light. One of the most dreary things is driving by a home with the older LED lights on inside. The home looks cold and dreary. Towns have replaced street lightbulbs with LEDs. I HATE them. The old fashioned light fixtures put out more light. The LED ones shoot the light down in an A shape and they don’t overlap so you have completely dark places between street lights that you didn’t have before.

Carol B's avatar

75 watt rough service bulb at Autozone.

yantra's avatar

thanks! i am running low like others here.

Carol B's avatar

Limit 2. Funny, isn’t it. I’ll just go by the next day and buy more. Good price too. Have a great day. 😀

LH Fry's avatar

How do we help? You can get incandescent bulbs now called “rough service. They are manufactured for electricians.

CK's avatar

The only problem is that the wattage is too high for residential. Where do you buy your bulbs? Thank you!

LH Fry's avatar

Don’t understand about the wattage. I have been able to use them .

Anna Lafferty's avatar

thanks for that info! I'd rather go there than buy some unknown brand on AMZN.

Carol B's avatar

Someone advise:

I heard that the standard lens implants placed during cataract surgery block the good healthy light waves.

I’m thinking, yeah, so now they make certain we cannot be exposed to healthy light!

LINCOLN LOVER's avatar

I have corrective lenses [had cataracts] and wondered if that is the case for absorbing sunlight!!!! Do you know? I know my eyes are quite light sensitive since the cataract surgery! I figured they might be. I hope not.

yantra's avatar

well, if they are the standard replacement lenses implanted during cataract surgery in the US, they will block much of the sun's natural spectrum, according to neurosurgeon Jack Kruse.

I also read (maybe from Jack K) that the altered wavelengths entering your eyes can lead to light sensitivity since the wavelengths that cause your pupil to contract are diminished or absent.

Wireless radiation can cause cataracts, especially if close-range, like if your eyes are anywhere near a radio-frequency-radiating device (cellphone, laptop, wifi, heart monitor, etc).

Radiofrequency radiation, which heats tissue, is known to cause cataracts.

There was clear evidence many years ago when young men calibrating RADAR equipment using just one eye got cataracts in that eye at a very young age, but not on the relatively unexposed eye.

yantra's avatar

you're welcome. i wrote an additional reply to lincoln lover just now; you might want to check it out.

LINCOLN LOVER's avatar

I did not get the standard lenses but the corrective ones so I do not need nor wear glasses. But I figure they likely reduce the sun's spectrum being absorbed. I can't tolerate well, the LED lighting for sure.

yantra's avatar

by standard i am almost certain Dr. Kruse meant all of the IOLs (intraocular lenses) normally used in the US, many of which have a corrective prescription.

In his Q&A near the end of his lecture at Nourish Vermont 2017 he talks about this issue for those getting cataract surgery and noted there are IOLs available from Germany which transmit UV light - which is important not only for eye health but overall health and circadian rhythm.

here's the link if you're interested - some great info on health & light.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7qjh4BIGbc

Howard Switzer's avatar

To be clear, when we see "abandoned for political reasons" it means that the big money did not want it because it interfered with their profits, money, and only money, rules our politics. But the new lights were sold as energy efficient, it saves money on energy bills so why would they want to save US money? The profitable but negative health effects reveal the answer because the system is a wholly owned subsidiary of global capital. Formerly they profited from the designed obsolescence of the light bulbs, making them last only 1000 hours instead of 100 years. So the bill should include a ban on that practice.

Valued Customer's avatar

Carrots are better than sticks, particularly politically. The problem is fundamentally that investor profits drive government policy, so rather than creating a rights abridging ban via government enforcement, what we should do is impose a system that profits manufacturing for making products and services that best meed our needs.

Howard Switzer's avatar

As the Princeton Study showed money is the main influence on public policy which is to maximize corporate (bank) profits. The NEED Act would take the power to create money away from the profit obcessed banks and allow government to create money as a permanently circulating asset issued exclusively for public purposes, as its frst use, to meet society's needs.

Valued Customer's avatar

We don't need another act. We just NEED to enforce the Constitution which authorized Congress to coin money - not to delegate that process to private parties. The extant debt based monetary system is unlawful, unconstitutional, and is a crime in progress. Since we won't enforce the extant law that authorizes only Congress to coin American money, the NEED Act won't help.

Congress is traitorous and should be hanged IMHO.