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Don't be a Click's avatar

We live in a capitalist society. Teaching people how to be healthy does not increase shareholder value.

Becky Howard's avatar

Sure it can. Healthy people can be more productive and make more money and also create more money and spend more money. It just does not involve lots of profits for pharmaceutical companies and their shareholders, like the current situation. It can change and should change. Capitalism is like tv/internet... it can be used for good as well as bad. We must demand much, much better!!!

Don't be a Click's avatar

You did not understand my message. If all people took control of their health and fixed their failing metabolic issues like I did, the entire “healthcare” industry is gone. That’s 18% of GDP down the drain. The system works like this - 1. Diet is a waste of time. 2. Slothing and comfort is no problem. 3. Getting a sickness or chronic condition is just luck of the draw, nothing you can do about it. 4. Trust your doctor, take the drugs, don’t ask questions, come back in 90 days for more drugs. Sound fun?

Mouzer's avatar

I think BH did understand it, as did I, though the apparent post of BH says otherwise. While no one doubts there are organizations that are working only for their own interests, broadsides against capitalism isn't really about health but one's political beliefs, IMO. With regard to your item #3, sometimes conditions are a luck of the draw due to genetics or for other reasons. From the items below, apparently many believe they can affect their health positively.

1) DIET: "The percentage of organic foods purchased in the USA has steadily increased, with retail sales of organic foods more than doubling from 1994 to 2014 and continuing to grow at about 10% annually in recent years."

2) EXERCISE: https://www.derekthompson.org/p/the-great-american-fitness-boom

4) MEDICINE: "The trend for alternative medicine in the USA is growing significantly, with the market projected to reach approximately $375.51 billion by 2033, driven by increasing awareness, acceptance, and demand for holistic health approaches. Additionally, about half of Americans have tried some form of alternative medicine at some point in their lives, indicating a rising interest in these therapies."

Barbara Charis's avatar

Hippocrates, the Father of Medicine (2400 BC) used the word Medicine...meaning natural food. He said, "Let Food be Your Medicine; and Medicine be Your Food." He was known for his CURES. Natural foods provide NOURISHMENT to the organs, glands and cells. The items in drugs and vaccines are TOXIC to the organs, glands and cells; and harm them. .The Medical industry, which really got off the ground in 1910 with The Flexner Report and John D. Rockefeller's promotion of his patented petroleum-based drugs as the basis of healing in the Medical Industry. Drugs were established without research proving they even worked. Tradition has established their use.

Mouzer's avatar

Of course the food we eat is important. And, of course, these are all food. 😉

Gold was historically used by ancient cultures to treat various ailments, including nervous disorders, depression, and even alcoholism. Its therapeutic properties were recognized in ancient medicine, with gold salts being administered for their anti-inflammatory effects.

Frankincense has been used for thousands of years in various ancient cultures for its potential medicinal benefits, including treating inflammation and pain relief. It was also utilized in traditional medicine practices for various ailments, including those related to the nervous system.

Myrrh was used by ancient cultures for various disorders, particularly for its anti-inflammatory and analgesic properties. It was commonly applied to treat oral health issues.

Barbara Charis's avatar

If people did as Hippocrates, the Father of Medicine advised, they would not need nostrums to get them better. Our foods and lifestyles create illness, then people look for remedies. I have been into health research for 65 years...I went downhill for years at first, because of all the misinformation available. it took looking for healthy people who had track records, in order to really learn about health. In order to learn about health, it is necessary to study healthy people. There are some known for health and longevity in the world.

Jolene's avatar

Frankincense is amazing for scar prevention/reduction.

aprayerformonkey's avatar

If it keeps going on like this we'll get cov 3 or the promised UFO invasion or Russia...........................................................

Mouzer's avatar

The evil ones do keep trying.

Barbara Charis's avatar

You're right! Health is a Do-it-Yourself Project....based on eating the right natural food, daily exercise, sunshine, fresh air, rest and living a healthy lifestyle. It also includes awareness about almost everything in the environment.; toxic matter in processed food, pesticides, chemicals, cleaning products, skin care products , clothing, furniture, carpet, etc. Daily life is like a minefield that has to be carefully navigated.

Truthbird's avatar

Your are fundamentally wrong for this reason: Almost everyone in our contemporary society has been horribly poisoned by the toxins, e.g. thimerosal and aluminum, in vaccines. Very few people currently living have the innate vitality nor the basic intelligence (both intellectual and spiritual) which they would have had if they'd not been poisoned by childhood vaccines. They've never known what real health is. Their minds and spirits were ruined and corrupted before they ever had a distinct identity.

Barbara Charis's avatar

I agree with you that the promotion of drugs and vaccines over the last 75 years has accelerated causing mass poisoning of the people...with the aid of the Processed Food Industry and its no-nutrient, chemical-riddled food, which Americans are eating at every meal.

Becky Howard's avatar

Thank you for clarifying. 100% agree. 🎯

Dee Smith's avatar

What did you do to correct your metabolic issues?

Mouzer's avatar

Of course it can! "Consumers are increasingly buying organic foods due to heightened awareness of health, environmental sustainability, and ethical consumption. The U.S. organic food market has seen significant growth, with sales reaching a record-breaking $67.6 billion in 2022, reflecting this rising demand."

JC's avatar

REALLY Organic? Or CORPORATE "Organic" = ? (all the organics I used to buy in the 90's got acquired by Big Food)

Mouzer's avatar

Companies that produce and sell organics-or anything-are incorporated regardless of size for legal protection. So first, lets get off the all corporations are bad: incorporation is a legal protection. Your complaint should be about potential corruption or adulteration. The size of a company does not ensure a quality product.

I used to use Dave's bread, which was bought out, then it changed. It was smaller on the ends, making it no longer useful for sandwiches. When I asked my grocery store, which is very selective about products and had stopped carrying it, they told me Daves had become a bad partner and said the bread also tasted sweeter. The same with Honest Tea which got killed, I guess to kill the growing competition. There is another that started, Just Ice tea to bring back the product line.

I get large businesses are buying out established, popular lines to either kill the competition or more often to move where consumers are going, but see no reason to alter the product, which I assume is done for price point or they think it will be more popular. But that is not always the case, in some instances the product stays the same and the price stays the same or goes down. I have seen that as well.

There are several sites that test and report on foods or supplements, such as Mamavation. These help people make good choices even with organics by exposing adulterated products.

pimaCanyon's avatar

we live in an aberrant form of capitalism that is so far from true capitalism many would argue it's not capitalism. The system we have is a corporate-government monopoly economy.

I read a definition recently of capitalism that went like this: Capitalism is an economic system where a potential buyer and seller of a product or service get together, agree on a price, and then exchange the product or service for the agreed upon price. IF THE GOVERNMENT IS INVOLVED IT IS NOT CAPITALISM!

MSB's avatar

I keep thinking one needs to go beyond labels. The US seems to be governed by oligarchs who employ all kinds of nefarious strategies (bribery, blackmail, threats) to influence corruptible politicians. Just my observation - but for some, it’s about maximum profit; for others, it seems to be about destroying the fundamentals of a cohesive society. The latter would include billionaires who fund law & order candidates who are highly lenient on crime.

Less government involvement is definitely better, but I wonder if there’s a question here of the government not even doing the basic job it’s supposed to do which is to keep citizens safe - including from poison. Recently read about how China had an infant formula crisis in 2008 when melamine was illegally added to canned formula killing at least 6 infants and leaving more than 50K affected with kidney issues. The criminal penalties for the guilty parties resulted in 2 executions and several life sentences. It seems in the US, the government (DOJ) will filed amicus briefs to the Supreme Court asking it to rule in Bayer’s favour and pre-empt state authority in the recent Bayer-Monsanto court case.

pimaCanyon's avatar

right. A larger point regarding whether or not what we have is capitalism is an axiom about concentrated power: Concentrated power always and everywhere becomes corrupt. What we did with our federal government decades ago was concentrate power into federal bureaucracies, and lo and behold they have all proved the axiom. The FDA, CDC, CIA, and FBI are hopelessly corrupt. They are beyond reform because the corruption is from the top on down thru the rank and file. They need to be shut down and every employee fired and marked not re-hirable by the federal government.

I've said this many times so please forgive if you're read this already, but why in the world did the people of the Land of the Free ever think it would be a good idea to give power to a bunch of unelected bureaucrats that lets them tell me what I can and cannot buy in my local drug store? We went from being the Land of the Free to being the Nanny State where we have to get a note from our doctor to buy something in the drug store. (And that is not capitalism. Capitalism would be that I could go into the drug store and buy any product I want!)

MSB's avatar

There are certain things that are always worth repeating, and you're right to do so.

USAMNESIA's avatar

There is no accountability in the upper echelons of the culture. Justice can be bought if the price is right. The increasing resentment among the bewildered herd is reaching a critical point. I think it’s no mistake that coincidentally technocracy is delivering more surveillance for the upcoming chaos.

vague life-form's avatar

If this were actually a capitalist system, none of this would be going through the federal government.

Rob (c137)'s avatar

Reminds me of the times when business sold adulterated products.

The thing that stopped them selling toxic crap was the government because people were getting pissed off.

Free market doesn't stop monopolies and collusion from happening.

vague life-form's avatar

Oh good grief I just dictated a four or five paragraph response to you and when I went to publish it, the app said I wasn’t signed in so I lost the damn thing. Anyway, in a nutshell, both government and corporate world are easily corrupted by money and they will protect their turf to the detriment of the general populous. A free flow of information is needed, and our media is so bought and paid for and I don’t care what your media sources. It’s all bullshit. Things like Yelp and Google reviews can help but those can be manipulated. If you don’t have the free flow of information, it’s all meaningless. Don’t make the mistake of thinking that either the government or the corporation alone might be evil. They are both subject to human frailty. That’s enough I don’t want to get into a lengthy discussion. If you want to embrace government or embrace the corporate world, enjoy.

Rob (c137)'s avatar

I'm saying free market doesn't deliver without a check which is another tyrant, the government.

If you have a mafia running business in your neighborhood and they're messing things up you need another mob to challenge them.

vague life-form's avatar

I get your point, but it’s really like two dogs fighting over the same pork chop.

186no's avatar

It would do if your products major on healthy outcomes - to suggest that business model would NOT increase shareholder value is very naive and highly suggestive of a typical ideologically biased belief…

Don't be a Click's avatar

Naive and ideologically biased. Very good start. Now move on to the other popular labels you learned from the CIA and CNN - “Conspiracy theorist” - “antivaxxer”, etc. Ask your doctor for a root cause analysis and prevention for whatever condition you have, then we’ll see who is ideologically biased.

eileen's avatar

It would if we got rid of the middleman and insurance. Health care is expensive because all these middlemen have to be paid off. I am old enough to remember 'cash' practices and how compared to insurance-based practices, they were relatively inexpensive and the doctor spent time with you.

Imagine walking in to a doctor's office and all he had was one receptionist who checked you in; the receptionist gave you an intake form, didn't require any insurance card, with a fee schedule of everything the doctor could do in an office visit and the fee associated with that procedure. Without insurance specialists cluttering the doctor's payroll, the overhead is much lower and it showed when you were presented with the bill. 'Cash only' doesn't mean only cash; it is payment due with any agreed upon method of payment, now can include crypto.

Get rid of the middleman and insurance companies, and let the doctor interact with the patient instead of having your care determined by a code (ICD Code) designed by the insurance company that dictates what the doctor can and can't do. You are no longer an individual, but a cash cow that the insurance-designed system uses to keep you sick. Get rid of them and let doctors be doctors instead of drug pushers that do nothing but make pharmaceutical companies rich at your expense, both to your health and wallet.

Dee Smith's avatar

To Don’t be a Click: I hope you’re being sarcastic.

Don't be a Click's avatar

The statement I made about healthcare is not sarcastic at all. There is nothing more true than this.

Dee Smith's avatar

I guess I’m not sure what you mean.

Don't be a Click's avatar

Sorry I speak in overly general terms expecting that everyone is on my page. I’m simply saying “there’s no money in the cure”. They have to beat last years numbers and they can’t do that if fewer people are sick.

Alan Fogle's avatar

Maybe you should read it again. What he is saying is that he fixed his problems, not with the 4 things he mentioned, those 4 things is how the medical system works. Seems spot on to me. That is why I do not go to the medical system if I have a problem, which is very rare, and I am 71.

Don't be a Click's avatar

Being 71 and not going to the doctor is rare. I’m assuming that you’re on zero prescription drugs, which means you’re owning and controlling your weight, BP, etc. through diet and exercise. You are NOT a good medical patient. lol.

Alan Fogle's avatar

I am under weight and have been all my life, for what ever reason. I exercise by walking and lifting light weights and gardening, mowing grass etc. Also spending time out in the sun without sunscreen. And eating a good clean diet. And you are correct, I am not on any medications.

Justsum Guy's avatar

No we don't.

An actual free market society wouldn't have an ability for the oligarchy to wield government's monopoly on force to create wealth and concentrate power in this way.

Don't be a Click's avatar

We can debate back and forth about what kind of society this is, if your tribal need to prove others wrong is your priority.

Whatever you want to call it, the controllers control our thoughts and behaviors, and they hate our guts because all we do is consume resources that belong to them, and then shit upon property that belongs to them.

That is how they see us.

Justsum Guy's avatar

People can't disagree without a "tribal need to prove others wrong". Got it. I'm sure you've employed that quip a few times - probably as inappropriately.

Can disagree one bit with your second paragraph. However, you stating capitalism (free markets, property rights) as the problem is playing right into their hands.

Don't be a Click's avatar

The capitalist aspect, is that the industries have so much capital, that government has become subordinate to them.

Don't be a Click's avatar

That was a time where industry was subordinate to government. Now it’s the other way around.

vague life-form's avatar

One common problem in all of our discussions on the economy is that we confuse “capitalism” for “free enterprise”. All societies are “capitalist“ the differentiator is who holds the capital. The lack of understanding is due to our not having free enterprise in education. We have government mandated, controlled, and directed education (good luck with that) and government mandated, controlled, and directed healthcare. We have no free enterprise in either. Perhaps you remember, as do I, the mid 1970s, when the then Senator Ted Kennedy introduced the HMO concept, which was essentially the turning point in the collapse of our healthcare system.

Dee Smith's avatar

Fantastic report!!!

Money makes the world go round, and the LOVE of money is the root of all sorts of evil.

aprayerformonkey's avatar

For the love of money is the root of ALL evil:

Robert Welch's avatar

See my reply to Dee Smith.

Robert Welch's avatar

The love of money is the root of all sorts of evil in a reality that is run immorally. In a morally run reality, the love of money would be considered the root of all good, because people would use their extra money to help others.

Dee Smith's avatar

I strongly disagree with your statement, Robert, that the love of money can be the root of all good. People who love money will do just about anything to get it—even unimaginable evil. People who use their money to help others love people, not money.

Robert Welch's avatar

You don't seem to comprehend that I was not talking about the current reality, one run immorally. In the current reality, the love of money can be the root of all evil, because the psychopaths running things will use it for evil, just to keep power. IF THE WORLD WERE BEING RUN MORALLY then the excess money people had would be used to help others - Doing unto others as you would have them do unto you. IN THAT REALITY, money would be considered the root of all good. Just because the world has been run immorally since forever, it seems, doesn't mean that it has to continue to be that way. The problem is, we are so used to it that it has become Normal and so most of us can't seem to see that there are other possibilities. " Oh, it's human nature ", they might say. LOL. No, it's called conditioning. We're like fish in water and don't see what surrounds us. It's complete and total insanity, is what it is and has been, and this is considered Normal. Lord have mercy.

Dee Smith's avatar

I see what you’re saying. The world has been corrupt since Adam ate the forbidden fruit, and it will be this way til Jesus comes back and sets up His kingdom. We just have to make sure that we’re right with God on His terms. Jesus said, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.” (John 14:6)

Robert Welch's avatar

Yea, one could say that Eve was the creator of the Ego- wanting to be God-like by eating the forbidden fruit. And so, the battle between the Ego ( Devil ) and God/Jesus ( Love ). I'd call " the way, and the truth, and the life " Love,

living morally. Jesus representing Love.

aprayerformonkey's avatar

“And I say unto you, Make to yourselves friends of the mammon of unrighteousness; that, when ye fail, they may receive you into everlasting habitations.”

Can you purchase souls? Of course you can! The devil does it all the time.

Reader East of Albuquerque's avatar

Thank you for this splendid post. And happy 250th of the 4th! It is people such as yourself, and your many readers here, who give me optimism for the future of this nation.

Bluehead's avatar

In the years I worked in the medical field and the decades I’ve been an exceptionally experienced patient, I never met a doctor who knew about the history of medicine. While everything in this article is true, it frames these issues as a more recent phenomenon. In fact, well over a century ago, the elite began their takeover of medicine in the U.S. Carnegie funded the AMA to squeeze out alternative approaches like homeopathy and take over the medical journals by using an “autocratic editor” model. The Rockefellers used their considerable resources to develop the pharmaceutical industry and buy out medical school education. Carnegie sold his steel empire to JP Morgan, who built the technical machinery that funds big pharma. Finally, they created backdoor funding policies that finance the FDA and the CDC.

Would you be surprised to learn that the Rockefellers and JP Morgans still control medical education, the pharmaceutical industry, published journals, and essentially, government policy? Would you be surprised to learn that they also secretly founded the Fed, which many assume is a government organization? It is, in fact, a private cartel of member banks that controls not only the American financial system, but in practice, the global system as well. Without going into details, they also control Wall Street, along with a number of other elite families. Given this history, would it make sense that these people have had your best interests in mind for the past 125 years?

Your doctors have no idea how indoctrinated and propagandized they are. The information above used to take several hours of internet sleuthing (although I learned most of it in graduate school). Today, you can verify this on AI in about 5 minutes. Do your doctors care enough about you, or even themselves, to find out whether they have, unwittingly in most cases, aligned themselves with dark motives? Find out if your doctor wants to know by suggesting that he/she educate himself/herself on this. You may find that illuminating.

Mike Mathews's avatar

Regarding ozone, I had a patch of skin that had an issue, could have been MRSA, not sure? I tried everything I could think of, mainstream and holistic both and I could not get rid of it. As a last result I treated with ozone gas using a cupped attachment on the end of the hose and it cleared fairly fast. I got anxious during the treatment phase and burned my skin (too strong a dose/too long of an application) which took a bit of time to fully recover from. All in all I can't say enough for the ozone protocol. I suppose chlorine dioxide solution would have cured it also but I can't recall if I tried that? I'm a big fan of oxidative therapies! m

John Alton's avatar

I have also been interested in ozone treatments after reading an article over 10 years ago about a US doctor that wanted to go to Africa to treat Ebola patients with ozone. This is a summary: Dr. Robert Rowen and Dr. Howard Robins published a case series in the African Journal of Infectious Diseases reporting that ozone therapy rapidly resolved Ebola in five consecutive patients in Sierra Leone. The study,, "Rapid Resolution of Hemorrhagic Fever (Ebola) in Sierra Leone with Ozone Therapy," reported that all four symptomatic patients fully recovered within two to four days, and one high-risk, asymptomatic patient did not develop the disease.

An ozone study should be very interesting and informative. Continued success with your investigations they are very enlightening.

Mike Mathews's avatar

The criminals are operating in broad daylight! Unbelievable! When a physician excludes therapies that will cure a patient it's just criminal, period, not to mention the humanity side of the equation! Ozone, UVB therapy, IVC, CLO2 are all excellent (I'm sure I'm missing some.............?) therapies that cost pennies and perform better compared to products Big Harma promotes! The whole thing is just shameful and this is the part I have so much trouble with; these devils and monsters have NO SHAME! God Bless the gangsters of the world that are educating us! Without them we would surely be lost! Here's to the Soldiers of Truth! Support them when you can and help spread the Truth!

Mike Mathews's avatar

I must have had a few neurons fire! I recall reading about the fellow mission down in Africa. I also remember how they were not held up as heroes. How the system did all they could do to quash the investigation, if memory serves me? At the very least it was not promoted as it should have been! Shameful!

JC's avatar

A Midwestern Doctor is promising future articles on Ozone therapies. I can't wait to learn more!

Michael Singer M.D.'s avatar

I am a retired anesthesiologist (med school grad in 1980) and over the years have developed a serious sense of loss of value in how medicine is practiced in the U.S. (and many other countries). I have had paresthesia in both of my feet in the toes which has gradually gotten worse over the last 8 years. After reading your article no the neurological effects of DMSO, I started using it in the numb/tingling areas of my feet. It has subjectively decreased that paresthesia! In addition, one of my friends is on 2 very expensive medications for macular degeneration. I mixed him up a 4% solution of DMSO in sterile water to use as eye drops. Lo and behold, a blind spot he had in one eye for many years has now disappeared. All of this anecdotal, but personal and rewarding.

Dr steven klayman, DC's avatar

Thanks for the great info you share.

Heather Platz's avatar

Sharing your comment on the eye drops for macular degeneration with a dear friend who is suffering with this. He's a retired eye doctor and I'm certain he will give it a try!

Rebecca Charles Jackson's avatar

There modern day science is to turn your body into a cash cow and then kill you!

Dee Smith's avatar

It would be funny if it were not the truth!

Reader East of Albuquerque's avatar

There's much to be said for avoiding doctors, and simply exercising and eating properly.

Matt Pierce's avatar

Most institutions don't fail because a handful of people secretly control everything. They fail because size changes the way they think. Once an organization grows big enough, it starts believing every problem requires a bigger budget, a larger committee, another layer of management, or a massive new project. Simple, inexpensive solutions stop looking real because the machine no longer knows how to recognize them.

The same trap waits for successful companies, family offices, and founders. Every system eventually begins protecting itself instead of adapting to what's changing outside its walls. If you don't deliberately build flexibility into the way your organization works, your own bureaucracy will slowly become the thing holding you back. By the time a new market opens or an unexpected opportunity appears, the people inside the system won't be able to move fast enough to reach it.

Baldmichael's avatar

All great until the conclusion. One of the things I found the most frustrating about COVID is that people like yourself still think of COVID as a novel disease. How long must this charade go on?? The whole model of disease is flawed, and regards COVID they rebranded the 'flu which is a toxic poisoning. Why do you ignore the clues?

Clue 1. “As of 19 March 2020, COVID-19 is no longer considered to be an HCID in the UK. There are many diseases which can cause serious illness which are not classified as HCIDs.”

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid

That raised serious suspicions as the UK was locked down shortly after. This alone should have made someone sit up and think ‘this is all a scam!’

Clue 2. Statistics – ‘flu almost disappeared from the statistics to be replaced by COVID. Suspicions increased.

https://suavek1.substack.com/p/the-missing-flu

Clue 3. Symptoms - claims of similar symptoms but not quite the same with vague notions of differing timescales for symptoms appearing. One had to be very slow to fall for that!

It was all a mass media induced medical panic nothing more, but designed to steal health and wealth.

There are various ways to deal with poisoning to return the body to homeostasis and balance, which you are covering, but until people get it into their heads that they were played yet again by the medical profession et al regarding so-called viruses, the farce will continue.

John Roberts's avatar

I couldn’t agree with you more !!!

If someone is not willing to question what they think they know as truth, the total truth will never be revealed !!!

Baldmichael's avatar

You sound tired. Go to bed, get some sleep and we'll wake you when it's over. :<)

pimaCanyon's avatar

nope, not tired. but I am tired of your same old silliness "there was no covid". And really, why bother to post something like that here? You know MWD saw cases of covid, she believes it was a novel disease, call it what you want but it was different from the flu, different from other respiratory illnesses. So what's your point in posting here?

A Midwestern Doctor's avatar

The logical fallacy being shown here is assuming that many case of flu being mislabeled as covid means all cases of COVID were the flu.

Baldmichael's avatar

The logical fallacy being shown here is the fact that you refuse to engage directly with me, but only with those of your fan club who agree with you.

You display along with the vast majority of the medical profession a gross ignorance of the nature of the 'flu. I was once ignorant but I was not a doctor for which I am eternally grateful otherwise I might have remained as foolish as they are.

The nature of the 'flu in the name influenza which is as it sounds 'in flue ends' because the body acts like a chimney flue raising the temperature to help sweat out toxins. Hence we get fevers, the body's typical response to poisoning from various causes.

The rebranding of the 'flu is standard business practice and if you really can't see how we were fooled there will be no hope for you.

I had hoped you would see this when I first commented on your site, thinking that you could run with it and reach a far bigger audience than I could. Sadly after 6 years of the COVID nonsense I have been badly mistaken.

A Midwestern Doctor's avatar

1) That is not a logical fallacy.

2) I've given you a ton of time in the past and rather than appreciate that you've essentially acted like a troll the whole time and made the time I gave you pointless. I have dozens of people asking me for help with real issues each day I do not have time to reply to. Why do you feel your should endlessly have priority over them for a low yield discussion which will never go anywhere as you have no interest whatsoever in changing you dogma?

The basic rule of the internet is to not engage with trolls, and your conduct has once again demonstrated why.

MSB's avatar

I agree with Baldmichael that it wasn’t “novel” in the sense that I know people who had what they called the “worst flu of their lives” in early 2020 and they all recovered without the aid of any medication; so clearly, the body knew how to deal with it. But I also know that there were quite a few severe cases in the same earlier period (having read numerous case studies of a number of non-conventional medicine practitioners). At the same time, it’s true that a lot of what was presented to the public was theatre and propaganda. I end up subscribing to the notion that "both/and" can be true vs "either/or".

pimaCanyon's avatar

I was one of those people who had "the worst flu of his life" in February 2020. I later realized I had had covid. For me it was "novel". My nephew tested positive for covid later that year, in November, and his symptoms were the same as what I'd had in February, so that's when I became quite sure I'd had covid. I believe it was a new disease, very likely created in one of Fauci's labs that were receiving money under the table even though Congress had said no more funding for these Frankenlabs. Was it as bad as the media and the lying liars in the government wanted us to believe? No. It killed the very old and the immune compromised. We know all this now. It was a psyop and in my opinion the reason for the psyop was to get everyone to take the injections.

Richard Seager's avatar

Weapons of Mass Destruction?

pimaCanyon's avatar

oops! typo on my part. fixed. thanks ;-) (tried to fix it, but it won't save my changes...)

Dr.J at Common Sense Medicine's avatar

Very likely the largest downside of immunizations is the autoimmunity they introduce. All immunizations inject antigens into the body. All natural immunity is built outside the body in the airway and GI tract before the attenuated antigen is allowed inside the body. That is a significant difference.

When injected, antigens, like all viruses, reproduce themselves in our hijacked cells, and many are clothed in our own glycans so that they look like us and are free to roam our bodies until they arrive where they are needed. It is there that they are unclothed, recognized as foreign, and likely to trigger immunity to the local environment, i.e. autoimmunity.

Immunizations that mimic natural immunity, as we see with oral polio or the scarification we had with smallpox followed the natural pathway made safe by countless years of natural selection.

pimaCanyon's avatar

A while back, I read about a vaccine trial on monkeys where the researchers noticed that the vaccine resulted in many of the monkeys developing allergies to a plant that was pollinating when the monkeys were injected with the vax. Makes sense because vaccines not only contain the antigen they want you to produce antibodies against, but they also contain an adjuvant that irritates the body and the immune system so that it will produce those antibodies. Why? Because they found that if they just give you the antigen, your body doesn't see it as enough of a threat to produce antibodies. So the adjuvant (used to be aluminum) now causes your body to produce antibodies not only against the antigen but also against other stuff in the environment that's happening at the same time! So you get a bonus: antibodies to the antigen AND antibodies to pollen, mold, whatever else is out there :-\

JC's avatar

I didn't used to be allergic to Australia. Then I took a series of shots for travel to Thailand.... now my hayfever (from Southern Indiana - famous for sinusitis) is back.

pimaCanyon's avatar

:-(

sorry to hear that. they are poison, it's become so obvious now. But the poison is still required and still worshipped as Holy Water by the blind sheep.

Rob (c137)'s avatar

Injecting anything foreign into the body is asking for trouble.

Allergies skyrocketed since vaccines...

https://northerntracey213875959.wordpress.com/2022/02/26/anaphylaxis-the-real-bio-weapon/

MSB's avatar

You're not only for common sense medicine; you're also for well-articulated, easily-understood, and simple but elegant explanations. I feel compelled to keep a note of what you wrote so that I can re-use in other circumstances. Thank you, sir.

Brian Lewis's avatar

"At the NIH, compliance is enforced through control of research grants (which Fauci was notorious for weaponizing)"

An important part of this story is from Fauci's past, when he was new. Fauci desperately needed some kind of public health crisis, so when the original gay guys in San Francisco got ill in unusual ways, he helped forge the pseudoscientific result that the virus that came to be known as HIV was responsible for it. If you recall, this science was done via press conference, which is always a good sign.

When world-renowned retrovirus expert Peter Duesberg published a paper pointing out the massive holes in the idea that HIV was the cause of the grab-bag of diseases known as "AIDS", Fauci had some part in ensuring that Duesberg never got another grant. Previously, Duesberg had never been refused, and many people thought he was on his way to winning the Nobel. Duesberg's colleagues learned their lesson, and dutifully froze Duesberg out, and never opposed Fauci. Duesberg was never rebutted in the literature, but HIV/AIDS was able to become an industry because researchers in that area knew that opposition to it would be a death sentence for their career.

These days, HIV/AIDS is a disease treated basically with a subscription plan. The number of people infected by it and who die from it are managed by tests and procedures. For example, if you need more female infections, you just add some disease that only affects women. If you need more or fewer deaths from AIDS, you just alter post-death procedures. If this sounds similar to SARS and COVID, that's because it's the same type of thing from the same guy.

VictorDianne Watson's avatar

Bill Gates is not a philanthropist. He is a businessman looking to capitalize on illness. And he has, as you point out, done so by manipulating government agencies, developing agencies and foundations and the WHO. He should be expelled from having anything to do with science or health because he is an insidious parasite looking to make a buck off of the sickness of people by manipulating responses. I think the health agencies should not be able to accept contributions from corporations or individuals who have an underlying agenda. In the long run, the tax payers ended up paying for the “free” vaccines because the government paid for them. Those, like Gates, who invested in the vaccines, walked away with billions. Laughing all the way to the bank

Baldmichael's avatar

A while ago I tried anagramming 'Bill Gates is a philanthropist' and came up with this:

- He is a pro Satanist pill blight

Which is one better way of putting it! However, his full name William Henry Gates will also anagram to:

- are smiling wealthy

- him lying weasel rat

- ie GM wiry hell Satan

- hi Mr wily Satan glee

Garry Blankenship's avatar

The CDC is appropriately named. The Center for Disease Control; not the Center for Disease Cure. Big money in controlling and treating disease. No money in cures. Industry has managed to disparage naturopathic care as archaic witch doctoring, while simultaneously championing the latest chemical brew to come off the production line. You can think later; all you need to know for now is this "vaccine", which BTW carries liability immunity, is safe and effective.

Jon Swenson's avatar

Is anyone promoting the abolition of the 50 state medical cartels?

Steve's avatar

You all need to think logically and ask yourself this question, if the ruling class can print money out of thin air, why would you think money is there motive ?

A Midwestern Doctor's avatar

I have thought about that for a long time too

Heather's avatar

The elites think of us as useless eaters. The goal is depopulation.

BethanyAnne's avatar

That's funny, as I think of the elites as the useless eaters. When SHTF, who of them will have any useful skills for survival? I'm sure you may have heard Bloomberg's remark about what's the big deal about farming...you stick a seed in the ground and it grows. I've been gardening for well over 10 years, and found that remark to be quite ignorant. There's a great deal more to raising food than that.

Steve's avatar

But you could say that mind control is a very good skill.

Steve's avatar

The elites are useless eaters, but they are masters of mind control, so they don’t need a trade or skill.

Jim Reagen's avatar

They don't want yellow vest protests. They don't want truckers' protests that disrupt their hold on governments. If and when the people catch on to the fact that they've been fleeced for, well, centuries through control of the money supply and endless wars, they want to be sure they aren't attacked and lose power. They want us divided and weak. The fewer of us there are, the fewer to contend with.

Moral justification for this is their belief that they are elite and entitled, an assemblage of masters. The disobedient must be eliminated.

I hate to think this beautiful world has people in power who want to hurt or eliminate us. But if one looks at how safe and effective and cheap drugs were deliberately-- even violently-- denied to people during Covid, then it's hard to escape the understanding of intent to harm, to create fear in order to control, to destroy hope, and even to kill. As Holocaust survivor Vera Sharav said of Covid: "never again" became global. That evil emerged throughout the world and yes, it's completely appropriate to compare to that era (as Sharav herself makes clear https://www.brighteon.com/6b61b44a-d257-4d65-a3a3-98e696025e9d.) Most people can't yet imagine the horror of that underlying malevolence, even as we are for now back to some semblance of normalcy. The hidden intent, the evil cruelty, has not gone away, and no one has been held to account. Those who spoke up have been punished. We all know this. We've seen it with our own eyes.

The world is beautiful. But, we can't afford to be innocent.

Be strong, be positive, take care of your health, be aware. It's a delicate balance to be positive and loving even as we know that massive propaganda has hypnotized so many, and that the world isn't what it seems.

Steve's avatar

I did too and after going down of a lot of rabbit holes I worked it out and I am now at peace and FYI I am 100 % not religious.

Alan Fogle's avatar

Stop and think about who ends up with the money printed out of thin air. It is not you or me or the 98% of the population, that is for sure.

Steve's avatar

Another question, if they can print all the money they want, why do they need all the taxes?

Robert Welch's avatar

Well, to put it simply, because they're out to get us, of some or most of us. My question is why are they dinking around and not just getting it over with ?

Dee Smith's avatar

Maybe too many dead bodies all at once would be too big of a mess for the powers that be??😳

Steve's avatar

They are dinking around because they can only control us by mind control and this is the greatest awakening in history and they need to by careful.

JC's avatar

Because slow, decay, decline and THEN death is harder to trace. Harder to blame. Harder to cry, "YOU DID THIS!"

Dee Smith's avatar

Great question!

Dee Smith's avatar

Elle, because someone has to decide who gets the money printed out of thin air. Only those who play the Monopoly game get the grants, etc. Those who refuse to play go to jail (like Judy Mikovitz, who was never charged with a crime). They do not pass GO; they do not get their two-million dollar grants……

JudyC's avatar

Because it brings POWER.

Steve's avatar

Money is power and power is money, so what is the real motive?

Alan Fogle's avatar

Money and power and control. The WEF said in 2020 that by 2030 w would own nothing and be happy. I read that they are ahead of schedule and it may happen sometime in 2028.

Dee Smith's avatar

I don’t go by the WEF’s timetable, but things are moving in that direction very quickly. The concept of property ownership is being replaced with tokenization.

Steve's avatar

Yes, it does, it is very hard to own property these days and it’s all by design, to make us believe there lies they make us experience there lies. Own nothing and be happy, they need us occupied so we don’t see the real truth and what better way to make us believe the lies is to make us experience the lies.

Dee Smith's avatar

I feel sorry for young people who want to own a home but can’t afford it because housing prices are through the roof (no pun intended).

Alan Fogle's avatar

I do not go by their time table either, just telling you what their plan is from their own mouths.

Steve's avatar

It’s all fear porn, don’t fall for it. It will never happen 👍

Alan Fogle's avatar

There will be a one world power. Revelation 17 tells us about it. And it is coming soon. I I do not live in fear. A person can know these things that are happening without being in fear.

Dee Smith's avatar

This is why COVID didn’t freak me out. I’ve read the end of the Book, so I knew where the world is heading.

JC's avatar

There's money - and there's value. Printing money devalues it. Methinks their greed is more asset-based.

aprayerformonkey's avatar

Because there has been a planetary agreement that minerals and the paper that would secure them at the bank are the the bridge to control others. Money has nothing to do with it. At one time silk was more "valuable" than gold. We 'bought' the most fertile land in the continent with 'worthless' glass beads. Our forefathers knew that land meant food and food meant control. When the illusion is broken, all those zeros won't mean a thing and we will see that what we suspected all along was true. The tools and knowledge to survive and thrive are what have been slowly taken from us as we have fallen to the thrall of prosperity. They sold us convenience, 'health' and pleasure. They gave us more zeros to the left of the dot and we believed the numbers meant something. Our belief in the deception is the currency [ if you will ] not money.

Steve's avatar

Money is about faith, agree at one time the masses had faith in silk, gold, salt and tulip bulbs, but now people have faith in a digital form and there is nothing we can do to stop it.

LDub's avatar

My son was diagnosed with Lymes Disease and instead of the traditional doxycycline treatment, I took him to Dr. Robert Rowen and did 10-pass IV Ozone Therapy with UV light added. He went from severe fatigue (barely able to walk across or house) to racing his dirt bike in 3 months. I’m a believer!