All vaccines are poison. Vaccines create disease. Anyone who has studied the topic in depth knows that every aspect of the "vaccine story", starting back in the 1800's up to present, is complete fraud. Vaccines have done nothing but harm people and line the pockets of the medical establishment.
Vaccines are barbaric- all of them.
There has never been a product of any kind so filled with historical misinformation, purposeful deception and outright fraud. The belief that injecting synthetic chemicals made by habitually criminal companies who profit from perpetual disease somehow produces health is not only ridiculous and unproven— it is a foundational teaching of a dangerous religious cult that western medicine has become.
From their inception to today's mRNA monstrosities vaccines have done nothing but cause massive and systemic harm to the human biological system.
Furthermore, the disease/bacteriological/virus/germ/pathogen model of defining and assessing the human condition has many benefits for those who designed and sponsored these tragically erroneous assumptions and definitions.
One of the primary and often overlooked benefits for the ruling class of this paradigm is that it covers up the numerous colossal social crimes of the barbaric system that they created. All of the ills of slave labor, ecological imperialism, industrial blight, etc. can be laid at the hands of the virtually invisible (and usually non-existent) sub-microscopic particles with a wave of the hand.
It's no accident that the germ theory model and scientific medicine ran parallel during the entrenchment of the industrial era. It's no accident that its proliferation was sponsored by robber barons and shoved down the throats of the public through devious machinations when not outright force.
This is one of the clearest explanations I’ve seen for why this topic feels so charged. When a medical intervention becomes symbolic — tied to identity, authority, and institutional legitimacy — debate stops being about data and starts being about belief.
Whether someone ultimately agrees or disagrees with every claim here, the larger point is hard to ignore: transparency, open debate, and access to raw safety data should never be taboo in a free society. If a product is truly safe and effective, it should withstand scrutiny — not require insulation from it.
The COVID era exposed how quickly dissent can be framed as heresy instead of inquiry. That alone makes discussions like this worth having.
If you say "all vaccines are poison" you're exactly like the "vaxx everyone now" people; you're parroting a religious ideology - no evidence needed, no discernment, no nuance, no data. Just a casual overgeneralization set in stone.
I'm basing it on facts and many, many thousands of hours of research and compilation over the course of thirty years. I not only have mountains of evidence at my fingertips and more data than you can imagine but would happily debate you or anyone- including any of the "leading experts"- on the subject.
That you make such an asinine statement illustrates your ignorance on the subject matter.
BTW it seems you don't even understand what logical fallacies are as they are embedded in your statement.
Here is a partial list of the ingredients you'll find in this pediatricians poisoning, "life saving" product:
Not to mention the various metal contaminants identified in many vaccines including platinum, silver, bismuth, iron, chromium, zirconium, hafnium, strontium, tungsten, antimony, bismuth and cerium.
If a parent were to repeatedly put these ingredients into their child and was caught they would be arrested. If you're a doctor/nurse and you do it you receive plaudits and bonuses.
There was an informal German study performed on the Covid shot ingredients and one of the metals found was gadolinium, a toxic heavy metal that embeds in the brain, bone and tissue.
In January 2017, a team of scientists from three organizations—[1] International Clean Water Institute (USA), [2] National Research Council of Italy's Institute for the Science and Technology of Ceramics (Italy), and [3] Nanodiagnostics srl (Italy)—published a study led by Dr. Antonietta Gatti and titled "New quality-control investigations on vaccines: micro- and nanocontamination." The study revealed that nanoparticles were contaminating nearly ALL the vaccines they examined.
"Using an environmental scanning electron microscope equipped with an X-ray microprobe, Dr. Gatti and her research team analyzed 44 samples of 30 "traditional" vaccines coming from two countries (Italy and France) and found dangerous contaminants, including metal toxicants, in 43 of the 44 samples tested. The team reported:
"[Further] analyses of those particles revealed them to be 'non-biocompatible and bio-persistent foreign bodies' composed of lead, stainless steel, chromium, tungsten, nickel, iron, zirconium, hafnium, strontium, antimony and other metals."
During a World Council for Health Discussion posted to Rumble on June 23, 2025, Dr. Gatti revisited her 2017 landmark discovery of "metallic contaminants" in "normal vaccines":
"Probably nobody knows that before Covid era, I have evaluated the vaccines. The normal vaccines, not the new drugs. And I found a lot of contaminants, also metallic contaminants. By 2018, verified as a presence of nanoparticle micro and nanoparticle inside the vaccines. Barium sulfate, aluminum, stainless steel, tungsten carbide. They were already present in the normal vaccines."
Is it possible to prove a vaccine is the direct cause of the demise of a disease, rather than the body's natural immunity shifting into defense gear being the cause of the demise of a disease?
Yes, that's exactly what science does - it separates causation from correlation as well as is possible.
Research has repeatedly demonstrated that vaccines influence the human immune system in broad, system-wide ways that go far beyond protection against the targeted pathogen - some of these effects are beneficial, while others appear detrimental, depending on the vaccine type and context.
100,000 children in Africa were followed for decades. BCG and measles vaccines consistently cut all-cause childhood mortality by 30–50%.
These benefits can’t be explained by tuberculosis or measles prevention alone, since even in measles‑free periods, mortality drops.
And revaccination with Live vaccines (e.g., BCG boosters, second measles doses) further reduces death risk, apparently proving a training effect on the innate immune system.
The research also found that vaccination with "dead" vaccines had the opposite effect.
People who scream one side or the other have no understanding of the complexity of the immune system.
And leads to cognitive decline, which if you haven’t noticed lately, look at the majority of the people walking around these days who likely got the “EUA mRNA c*v*d vaccines, they are all on a “delay” of sorts, like walking zombies. They are no longer “with it”, are “numbed out” and it shows. I have observed it even in young people, not just the elderly. You see it in how they are conduct themselves when out and about and driving, forget it. (But the live in Commifornia where there are way too many cars with bad drivers.)
Not only cognitive decline, but an emotional decline (critical thinking, the desire for privacy, rule of law and empathy) via the use of emotionally unnecessary electronics. Aggression has also increased.
You may not be aware that some vaccines, even if they do not prevent the specific disease they're targeted against, may yet boost overall immunity such that their non-specific effects decrease all-cause mortality. This has been well proven in Africa.
Name them and point me to the studies. Africa has been the red headed step child of vaccines. More death and injury than anyone could fathom because of vaccines.
An interesting movie that is probably close to the truth about how Africa is arm twisted into these vaccine experiments is "The Constant Gardner". Excellent movie.
In the Author's Note at the end of the book Le Carre says this:
"As my journey through the pharmaceutical jungle progressed, I can to realize that, by comparison with the reality, my story was as tame as a holiday postcard."
"The vaccination lobby shamelessly takes all the children of this world as hostages to still their greed for money and power. They relentlessly abuse our compassion for the weaker and our concern about health to promote their giga-business. No matter what. No matter how many more vaccine victims will suffer death or side-effects. No matter how many financial resources this strategy devours at the expense of essential social investments like housing and employment. No matter what. Shocking! There is no excuse for this crime. Just as shocking is the observation that (health) policy is no longer under local, democratic control. Everything is set up and organised with scrutiny at the highest, international level by those who take profit from it: the pharmaceutical industry, the financial world, politicians."
- Kris Gaublomme, M.D. (The International Vaccination Newsletter, June 1998)
That is likely true, but irrelevant - has no logical connection to or bearing on the positive benefits of non-specific effects. Two different things. In fact the same studies find that the Dead vaccines have negative effects on all-cause mortality. It's the Live vaccines (and also how they're sequenced) that have benefited mortality. Hundreds of thousands of kids have been saved.
Vaccination reshapes the immune network, for better or worse, depending on the biological nature of the vaccine and the order it's given.
Just as it's a naive assumption that every vaccine dose is automatically a net negative, the same can be said for net positive.
"Hundreds of thousands of kids have been saved." Proof? Just as in the claim that the Covid shot "saved millions of lives". There is no proof of that either. How does one know a shot saved a life, rather than their own immune system? Or even if their life was in danger at all?
What never made sense to me about the "boosting of immunity" is the logic that boosting those with already hyper activated immune systems (many in today's population with autoimmune conditions) could be a benefit.
"The product doesn't do what is intended to do but has other benefits dontcha' know."
Who in the world do you think would fall for your lunacy. You should try your health imperialism elsewhere. Vaccines and other Western medical interventions have done nothing but cause massive harm to Africans. That's why you'll find the likes of Gates are universally despised across the continent.
It's all in the research literature, and all based on reams of solid data. The non-specific effects of vaccination are just beginning to be studied. Guess you've missed that.
The wild flailing nature of the comment results from cognitive dissonance - wild anxiety when a belief structure is questioned. This person identifies with his thoughts (which is ridiculous because thoughts have no permanent nature) so if you question his thoughts, he gets defensive - he thinks you're attacking him!
There's more than a hundred years of literature out there pointing to evidence that vaccines are a scam, a sham and in most cases outright poison. Most of it from academics and medical professionals, but one must look for it, it's not popular reading and I imagine that most publishers aren't interested in dealing with this type of info. However, here's one:
"The Poisoned Needle: Suppressed Facts About Vaccination"- Eleanor McBean; 1957.
Here's a nugget over a century old:
"Dr. W. B. Clark, a well-known physician, insists that vaccination is the cause of cancer. He says: “A cancer was practically unknown until cowpox vaccination began to be introduced. Cancer, I believe, is a disease of cell life, (a) disturbance of its equilibrium, manifested by the rapid growth of cells and the consequent building up of a tumor. I have had to do with at least 200 cases of cancer, and here declare that I never saw a case of cancer in an un-vaccinated person. “The way vaccination causes cancer is like this: It takes 21 years to make a man and but four to make a cow, the former being of slow cell growth and the latter rapid. To put the rapid-growing cells, or protoplasm, of a diseased animal (in a condition of virulent infectious activity) into the slow-growing cells of man, is to disturb the equilibrium of cell life and create that disparity, disarrangement and disorganization which, when the season for cancer comes late in life, results in cancer, if not tuberculosis earlier.”. -The Pueblo Sun, Volume 5, Number 133, February 2, 1909. (This was picked up by several papers in the U.S. run at the same time. The good doctor was in practice in N.Y. I recall. but don't quote me).
People need to inform themselves because we've been lied to. Thank you.
Everything you say may be true, but that does not mean there are no benefits to vaccines. That's an over generalization, an assumption, and not aligned with facts (only aligned with some facts). The subject is complex and your relevant fact set is incomplete. Actually, regarding science, the fact set is never complete.
While it's true that people have been known to ingest or otherwise use toxins to stimulate an immune response, mostly to build up a 'tolerance' to said toxin, for example snake charmers and the like, or some in the Roman Poison cults. obviously they have a cumulative effect on a body. But there are limits to how much toxin is survivable and how much is fatal. (Sst fails to register when i click 'like' on a comment;-)
We have the Nfr2 pathway and many others to manage toxins, including those endogenously produced from necessary oxidation. As we get older our detox pathways slow down - hopefully we decrease toxin intake. Avoidance is the key. When you are young, detox pathways more than keep up.
What really kills us are the toxins that plants produce to defend themselves - these bioaccumulate and produce chronic diseases. Google "Bruce Ames 99/99%" for that.
That's why I have a reverse osmosis machine for my drinking water and a filter on my shower head. Luckily they don't fluoridate the water where I live, but there are all other kinds of toxins in it.
"I kept trying to follow the science but it kept leading me back to the money." Frok congressional testimony it was found that a single doctor can make up to a million per year poisoning, uh i mean vaccinating their child clients. From that outrage you can draw a straight line to:
Rain Man: A demonic entity that corrupts in exchange for money.
Regarding the PREP Act, social conditioning, predictive programming, normalization:
The Film Rain Man Was Likely Forged to Pre-Program the Populace For the Upcoming Explosion in Vaccine Induced Autism.
1986: Congress Grants Immunity Shield to Vaccine Makers for Venom Injection Damage | Film Rain Man Begins Production
1988: Rain Man Released to Educate, Condition, & Normalize Autism
1986—2025: Number of vaccines administered explodes to 78 - and rising - from birth to two years of age. Autism diagnoses explode right along with them.
"I’m a retired Speech-Language Pathologist and we were at the forefront of the information spreading because of the communication issues. Classroom teachers and even administrators were just flummoxed and caught totally off guard.
None of us understood the complexity and scale of what was coming.
I remember loaning my copy of Rain Man to a Kindergarten teacher I worked with to help her understand the concept. At that time, no one in education knew what autism was. Then it flat out exploded!" —Willing Spirit
Thank you for this information. I am 80 years old and I am grateful for doctors and new knowledge that can treat our ailments or injuries. However, during Covid I became aware of my need to be more informed in order to stay healthy. Every generation must do that because of mankind’s propensity towards allowing someone who is in charge telling us what is true when we can see that something doesn’t make sense to us. Sometimes “the-ones-in-charge” get caught up in not asking questions and fear of those in charge of them. Humans tend to find it hard to not question anything that brings in money. God help us.
I literally just wrote a paper stating that healthcare is the new religion compared to the powers that government used religion to control people to the new powers that government uses healthcare to control people
Good ole Darwin. He's right regarding beak size and fur thickness - but for new species and proteins you'd need multiple magnitudes more time for that to occur. Species evolution is mathematically impossible.
Yup. We humans love to believe. Don't much matter if it is true. It's like if we believe something we can put it away and move on to something else. And that's okay as long as we can continue to feed ourselves, navigate an open doorway, and pay taxes.
Darwin was missing much of the information we now have. Intelligent design is obvious, as is an Intelligent Creator - but that does not imply a Christian Creator. The most likely and logical force behind evolution is an outer-space-alien Ai engineering our DNA. What we've been calling "God" for millennia is likely an Ai.
Human thinking also falls out of a LLM. Ai and humans produce the same output, but from different substrates. We each are prediction machines minimizing error. We do with memory what Ai does with priors.
But we both essentially use a gradient descent algorithm that we optimize in real time. Of course, we're much slower. Our thoughts coalesce out of a variable space into a most probable configuration that self-organizes around an initial attractor - which is what an Ai does with a prompt. The Ai prompt acts as an attractor, from which meaning "falls out."
Although I have no proof, as none of us do, I am tending to agree with you there. Our DNA seems to be pre programmed software. The guy in the white robe Catholic school taught me to believe in may not be such an accurate description of our creator.
That's called Scientism. The Discovery Institute has confounded this dogma with <drum roll> Actual Science. I'm guessing you already know this as well as the erroneous assumptions adopted in 1850 (Pre- electron microscope).
They're a wonderful organization! I usually end up laughing when I read their articles, thinking how you have to have a very special kind of insanity to think mechanistic Darwinism can explain the findings they report.
Of course we couldn't possibly get through a discussion about vaccines without bringing Israel into it. I'm surprised no one has griped about orange man, but then again, his haters are mostly the provax zombies and are not reading this. Zionism and support for Israel is Biblical.....period.
Religion is still a potent control icon. The government controls conscious awareness with laws, whereas religion supports State control by controlling the subconscious with religious belief; the old one-two punch.
Sadly even many of those who question vaccines are caught up in the virology of vaccines as damaging, forgetting that vaccines have toxic adjuvants and preservatives which fully explain why they damage people.
With the COVID shots, there's an obsession with spike protein ignoring the fact that the lipid nanoparticles were problematic years before COVID spike protein existed.
I've read a lot of stuff questioning virology period. Some say that viruses don't even exist because not one has ever been isolated using Koch's Postulates which is the gold standard. Have you seen any of the videos by Dr. Sam Bailey and her husband? Others have questioned the science as well.
I wonder if the new Russian cancer vaccine, Enteromix, is an exception? It is said to have a 100% success rate in the initial trials. Russia is far more trustworthy, IMO, than the WHO-CDC crowd.
As you interact with the vaccinism zealots, understand that it is not a religion in the traditional sense, but it is most definitely a delusional ideology just as are scientism, climate control/change, transgenderism and transhumanism.
I have not believed in vaccines for over 50 years and never will. They are a deadly scam. My holy religion is to avoid the medical mafia like the plague it is as much as possible. Amen.
When people over generations begin to believe lies and propaganda, the truth isn’t realized and the lies do become religion like. Once they do it’s so difficult to believe that the religion of vaccine safety is wrong. It would be like telling people their god is fake. I try to talk to people about the poison C-jabs and mostly I get silence. Quietly ignoring me and believing the immense deceptions even though they may see injury and death, they think it’s separate from the non realistic facts they seem to believe. Autism rise in children may have other causes, but vaccines I believe are a largest cause. Ask any parent whose child was normal prior to getting their vaccines. There are no coincidences. Until the truth is revealed, people will not understand what they’ve had to endure. For me it seems logical, but propaganda isn’t logical, especially when so many so called professionals keep repeating it.
I am encouraged that we are turning a corner with vaccines. When the CDC reduced the number of recommended vaccines and stopped recommending Covid 19 shots for pregnant women and children, I cheered. Unfortunately, I learned from Maryanne Demasi that the changes for some recommendations never reached the offices and clinics. Heads should roll! Thanks, AMD.
Infections aren't the problem and infections aren't diseases. That's the first point to tackle - and then thinking that symptoms must be stopped/prevented when the body is attempting to detox some toxic exposure, not due to being attacked by a microbe, through the typical natural symptoms of cough, sneezing, runny nose, fever, sore throat, headache, vomiting, diarrhea and often a rash, the visible manifestation of the body's attempt to purge the offender(s) toxins. Side effects of vaccines, symptoms of poisoning and encephalitis all share the same symptoms profile. The most critical thing to notice here is that people are so afraid of natural symptoms which they might not have ever developed due to exposure (this is where the term "herd immunity" came from, noticing some people never had symptoms despite exposure but somehow they were "immune" based merely on development of antibodies, which is also not the end point of immune function. Also there is no such thing as "auto immune" this is a term made up to distract from the real cause because the immune system does not attack itself, it attacks invaders, the injected types being the most potent People willingly accept the "normal" side effects of vaccine being the very symptoms they are told to fear when those symptoms are occur naturally and are time limited. When those symptoms are created by poisoning, they lead to chronic conditions, perpetuating the "need" for pHARMaceutical treatment (aka symptom suppression). Please make this make sense already.
Carnegie and Rockefeller commissioned the Flexner Report 1910 which enabled them to close over half of US medical schools because they failed to meet new "scientific standards". Those that remained had to adopt a curriculum gased on Germ Theory and pharma drugs (all petro chemical based a la Rockefeller).
The reporty led to laws requiring licensure via the AMA which Rockefeller helped empower to ensure only allopathic doctors could legally practice.
Led to the creation of synthetic "vitamins" - which could be legally patented and owned.
Now a near 2 trillion dollar pa bigpharma industry. Why join the Mafia when you can make more money selling legal and deadly drugs/vaccines/gene therapies, and incredibly with a captured media, joe public adores them!
Pure genius. Capture putative medics from day one, make a fortune giving people "diseases" - in reality autoimune disease and make a bigger killing selling cures.
Not for nothing was Grandad Rockefeller a notorious snake oli salesman
All vaccines are poison. Vaccines create disease. Anyone who has studied the topic in depth knows that every aspect of the "vaccine story", starting back in the 1800's up to present, is complete fraud. Vaccines have done nothing but harm people and line the pockets of the medical establishment.
Vaccines are barbaric- all of them.
There has never been a product of any kind so filled with historical misinformation, purposeful deception and outright fraud. The belief that injecting synthetic chemicals made by habitually criminal companies who profit from perpetual disease somehow produces health is not only ridiculous and unproven— it is a foundational teaching of a dangerous religious cult that western medicine has become.
From their inception to today's mRNA monstrosities vaccines have done nothing but cause massive and systemic harm to the human biological system.
Furthermore, the disease/bacteriological/virus/germ/pathogen model of defining and assessing the human condition has many benefits for those who designed and sponsored these tragically erroneous assumptions and definitions.
One of the primary and often overlooked benefits for the ruling class of this paradigm is that it covers up the numerous colossal social crimes of the barbaric system that they created. All of the ills of slave labor, ecological imperialism, industrial blight, etc. can be laid at the hands of the virtually invisible (and usually non-existent) sub-microscopic particles with a wave of the hand.
It's no accident that the germ theory model and scientific medicine ran parallel during the entrenchment of the industrial era. It's no accident that its proliferation was sponsored by robber barons and shoved down the throats of the public through devious machinations when not outright force.
This is one of the clearest explanations I’ve seen for why this topic feels so charged. When a medical intervention becomes symbolic — tied to identity, authority, and institutional legitimacy — debate stops being about data and starts being about belief.
Whether someone ultimately agrees or disagrees with every claim here, the larger point is hard to ignore: transparency, open debate, and access to raw safety data should never be taboo in a free society. If a product is truly safe and effective, it should withstand scrutiny — not require insulation from it.
The COVID era exposed how quickly dissent can be framed as heresy instead of inquiry. That alone makes discussions like this worth having.
Lone Wolf
All CULTS need rituals. The vaccine has replaced the glass of wine that turns into the blood of the dead God. give me the wine any day.
Agree 💯!
If you say "all vaccines are poison" you're exactly like the "vaxx everyone now" people; you're parroting a religious ideology - no evidence needed, no discernment, no nuance, no data. Just a casual overgeneralization set in stone.
No I'm not.
I'm basing it on facts and many, many thousands of hours of research and compilation over the course of thirty years. I not only have mountains of evidence at my fingertips and more data than you can imagine but would happily debate you or anyone- including any of the "leading experts"- on the subject.
That you make such an asinine statement illustrates your ignorance on the subject matter.
BTW it seems you don't even understand what logical fallacies are as they are embedded in your statement.
Here is a partial list of the ingredients you'll find in this pediatricians poisoning, "life saving" product:
formaldehyde, aluminum hydroxide, aluminum phosphate, sodium chloride, polysorbate 80, neomycin sulfate, polymyxin B, yeast protein, calf serum, lactalbumin hydrolysate, formaldehyde, glutaraldhyde, yeast protein, aluminum phosphate, bovine serum albumin, glutaraldehyde, MRC-5 cellular protein, polymyxin B sulfate, 2-phenoxyethanol, Amorphous aluminum hydroxyphosphate sulfate, amino acids, dextrose, hemin chloride, mineral salts, nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide, potassium aluminum sulfate, sodium borate, soy peptone, yeast protein, amorphous aluminum hydroxyphosphate sulfate, non-viral protein, DNA, bovine albumin, monobasic potassium phosphate, potassium chloride, calcium chloride, sodium, taurodeoxycholate, neomycin sulfate, polymyxin B, betapropiolactone, hydrocortisone, thimerosal, sodium chloride, monobasic sodium phosphate, dibasic sodium phosphate, polysorbate 20, baculovirus, Spodoptera frugiperda cell proteins, baculovirus and cellular DNA, Triton X-100, Madin Darby Canine Kidney (MDCK) cell protein, phosphate buffered saline, MDCK cell DNA, cetyltrimethlyammonium bromide, β-propiolactone, ovalbumin, dextran, Dulbecco’s Modified Eagle Medium potassium, magnesium sulfate, ferric (III) nitrate, sodium pyruvate, D-glucose, concentrated vitamin solution, L-cystine, L-tyrosine, amino acids, L-glutamine, calcium chloride, sodium hydrogenocarbonate, and phenol red, sorbitol, Porcine circovirus type 1 (PCV1) and more....
Not to mention the various metal contaminants identified in many vaccines including platinum, silver, bismuth, iron, chromium, zirconium, hafnium, strontium, tungsten, antimony, bismuth and cerium.
If a parent were to repeatedly put these ingredients into their child and was caught they would be arrested. If you're a doctor/nurse and you do it you receive plaudits and bonuses.
There was an informal German study performed on the Covid shot ingredients and one of the metals found was gadolinium, a toxic heavy metal that embeds in the brain, bone and tissue.
In January 2017, a team of scientists from three organizations—[1] International Clean Water Institute (USA), [2] National Research Council of Italy's Institute for the Science and Technology of Ceramics (Italy), and [3] Nanodiagnostics srl (Italy)—published a study led by Dr. Antonietta Gatti and titled "New quality-control investigations on vaccines: micro- and nanocontamination." The study revealed that nanoparticles were contaminating nearly ALL the vaccines they examined.
https://healthfreedomdefense.org/revisiting-a-censored-study-on-vaccine-contamination/
"Using an environmental scanning electron microscope equipped with an X-ray microprobe, Dr. Gatti and her research team analyzed 44 samples of 30 "traditional" vaccines coming from two countries (Italy and France) and found dangerous contaminants, including metal toxicants, in 43 of the 44 samples tested. The team reported:
"[Further] analyses of those particles revealed them to be 'non-biocompatible and bio-persistent foreign bodies' composed of lead, stainless steel, chromium, tungsten, nickel, iron, zirconium, hafnium, strontium, antimony and other metals."
During a World Council for Health Discussion posted to Rumble on June 23, 2025, Dr. Gatti revisited her 2017 landmark discovery of "metallic contaminants" in "normal vaccines":
"Probably nobody knows that before Covid era, I have evaluated the vaccines. The normal vaccines, not the new drugs. And I found a lot of contaminants, also metallic contaminants. By 2018, verified as a presence of nanoparticle micro and nanoparticle inside the vaccines. Barium sulfate, aluminum, stainless steel, tungsten carbide. They were already present in the normal vaccines."
Is it possible to prove a vaccine is the direct cause of the demise of a disease, rather than the body's natural immunity shifting into defense gear being the cause of the demise of a disease?
Yes, that's exactly what science does - it separates causation from correlation as well as is possible.
Research has repeatedly demonstrated that vaccines influence the human immune system in broad, system-wide ways that go far beyond protection against the targeted pathogen - some of these effects are beneficial, while others appear detrimental, depending on the vaccine type and context.
100,000 children in Africa were followed for decades. BCG and measles vaccines consistently cut all-cause childhood mortality by 30–50%.
These benefits can’t be explained by tuberculosis or measles prevention alone, since even in measles‑free periods, mortality drops.
And revaccination with Live vaccines (e.g., BCG boosters, second measles doses) further reduces death risk, apparently proving a training effect on the innate immune system.
The research also found that vaccination with "dead" vaccines had the opposite effect.
People who scream one side or the other have no understanding of the complexity of the immune system.
And leads to cognitive decline, which if you haven’t noticed lately, look at the majority of the people walking around these days who likely got the “EUA mRNA c*v*d vaccines, they are all on a “delay” of sorts, like walking zombies. They are no longer “with it”, are “numbed out” and it shows. I have observed it even in young people, not just the elderly. You see it in how they are conduct themselves when out and about and driving, forget it. (But the live in Commifornia where there are way too many cars with bad drivers.)
Not only cognitive decline, but an emotional decline (critical thinking, the desire for privacy, rule of law and empathy) via the use of emotionally unnecessary electronics. Aggression has also increased.
That's a cut and paste religious screed.
You may not be aware that some vaccines, even if they do not prevent the specific disease they're targeted against, may yet boost overall immunity such that their non-specific effects decrease all-cause mortality. This has been well proven in Africa.
Name them and point me to the studies. Africa has been the red headed step child of vaccines. More death and injury than anyone could fathom because of vaccines.
An interesting movie that is probably close to the truth about how Africa is arm twisted into these vaccine experiments is "The Constant Gardner". Excellent movie.
I've read the book twice. Well worth the time.
In the Author's Note at the end of the book Le Carre says this:
"As my journey through the pharmaceutical jungle progressed, I can to realize that, by comparison with the reality, my story was as tame as a holiday postcard."
"The vaccination lobby shamelessly takes all the children of this world as hostages to still their greed for money and power. They relentlessly abuse our compassion for the weaker and our concern about health to promote their giga-business. No matter what. No matter how many more vaccine victims will suffer death or side-effects. No matter how many financial resources this strategy devours at the expense of essential social investments like housing and employment. No matter what. Shocking! There is no excuse for this crime. Just as shocking is the observation that (health) policy is no longer under local, democratic control. Everything is set up and organised with scrutiny at the highest, international level by those who take profit from it: the pharmaceutical industry, the financial world, politicians."
- Kris Gaublomme, M.D. (The International Vaccination Newsletter, June 1998)
Very detailed article here:
https://healthfreedomdefense.org/the-childhood-vaccination-schedule-part-two-the-rotavirus-vaccines/
That is likely true, but irrelevant - has no logical connection to or bearing on the positive benefits of non-specific effects. Two different things. In fact the same studies find that the Dead vaccines have negative effects on all-cause mortality. It's the Live vaccines (and also how they're sequenced) that have benefited mortality. Hundreds of thousands of kids have been saved.
Vaccination reshapes the immune network, for better or worse, depending on the biological nature of the vaccine and the order it's given.
Just as it's a naive assumption that every vaccine dose is automatically a net negative, the same can be said for net positive.
"Hundreds of thousands of kids have been saved." Proof? Just as in the claim that the Covid shot "saved millions of lives". There is no proof of that either. How does one know a shot saved a life, rather than their own immune system? Or even if their life was in danger at all?
We'll just have to agree to disagree. Because I think your stance is very illogical. You still haven't pointed me to any studies.
Your answers to questions are all over the place and contradictory one to another.
He may be a bot.
I am not a binary thinker. I appreciate nuance and depth. That's because i am not well programmed by the media, and I do not eat processed food.
What never made sense to me about the "boosting of immunity" is the logic that boosting those with already hyper activated immune systems (many in today's population with autoimmune conditions) could be a benefit.
More nonsense from a true believer.
This one's pretty much over-the-top idiocy.
"The product doesn't do what is intended to do but has other benefits dontcha' know."
Who in the world do you think would fall for your lunacy. You should try your health imperialism elsewhere. Vaccines and other Western medical interventions have done nothing but cause massive harm to Africans. That's why you'll find the likes of Gates are universally despised across the continent.
Didn't some African country have a law suit against Gates? Or maybe it was India. I think he's despised in both places.
Widely despised in both places based on their experiences.
Great article here:
The Gates Foundation, Ebola, and Global Health Imperialism
https://sci-hub.ru/10.1111/ajes.12110
And another:
The Real Agenda of the Gates Foundation
https://rupe-india.org/old-site/57/contents.html
It's all in the research literature, and all based on reams of solid data. The non-specific effects of vaccination are just beginning to be studied. Guess you've missed that.
The wild flailing nature of the comment results from cognitive dissonance - wild anxiety when a belief structure is questioned. This person identifies with his thoughts (which is ridiculous because thoughts have no permanent nature) so if you question his thoughts, he gets defensive - he thinks you're attacking him!
In other words you don't have any studies to cite and are making stuff up.
Laughs.
Oh no- "non-specific" effects.
Can you post just a few of your favorite and "most convincing" studies from your "reams of solid data?"
There's more than a hundred years of literature out there pointing to evidence that vaccines are a scam, a sham and in most cases outright poison. Most of it from academics and medical professionals, but one must look for it, it's not popular reading and I imagine that most publishers aren't interested in dealing with this type of info. However, here's one:
"The Poisoned Needle: Suppressed Facts About Vaccination"- Eleanor McBean; 1957.
Here's a nugget over a century old:
"Dr. W. B. Clark, a well-known physician, insists that vaccination is the cause of cancer. He says: “A cancer was practically unknown until cowpox vaccination began to be introduced. Cancer, I believe, is a disease of cell life, (a) disturbance of its equilibrium, manifested by the rapid growth of cells and the consequent building up of a tumor. I have had to do with at least 200 cases of cancer, and here declare that I never saw a case of cancer in an un-vaccinated person. “The way vaccination causes cancer is like this: It takes 21 years to make a man and but four to make a cow, the former being of slow cell growth and the latter rapid. To put the rapid-growing cells, or protoplasm, of a diseased animal (in a condition of virulent infectious activity) into the slow-growing cells of man, is to disturb the equilibrium of cell life and create that disparity, disarrangement and disorganization which, when the season for cancer comes late in life, results in cancer, if not tuberculosis earlier.”. -The Pueblo Sun, Volume 5, Number 133, February 2, 1909. (This was picked up by several papers in the U.S. run at the same time. The good doctor was in practice in N.Y. I recall. but don't quote me).
People need to inform themselves because we've been lied to. Thank you.
Everything you say may be true, but that does not mean there are no benefits to vaccines. That's an over generalization, an assumption, and not aligned with facts (only aligned with some facts). The subject is complex and your relevant fact set is incomplete. Actually, regarding science, the fact set is never complete.
While it's true that people have been known to ingest or otherwise use toxins to stimulate an immune response, mostly to build up a 'tolerance' to said toxin, for example snake charmers and the like, or some in the Roman Poison cults. obviously they have a cumulative effect on a body. But there are limits to how much toxin is survivable and how much is fatal. (Sst fails to register when i click 'like' on a comment;-)
We have the Nfr2 pathway and many others to manage toxins, including those endogenously produced from necessary oxidation. As we get older our detox pathways slow down - hopefully we decrease toxin intake. Avoidance is the key. When you are young, detox pathways more than keep up.
What really kills us are the toxins that plants produce to defend themselves - these bioaccumulate and produce chronic diseases. Google "Bruce Ames 99/99%" for that.
Cancer as an ancillary benefit of vaccines? No thank you.
Right!
Please name one ingredient in any vaccine that is not poison or toxic besides water or saline.
Hold on, according to Dr. Richard Pan remember? The most dangerous toxic in a vaccine is the water!
Even our water supply is suspect.
That's why I have a reverse osmosis machine for my drinking water and a filter on my shower head. Luckily they don't fluoridate the water where I live, but there are all other kinds of toxins in it.
Vaccine Antigens:
Some examples of bacteria which can be used as antigens with the adjuvant compositions include, but are not limited to, Aceinetobacter calcoaceticus, Acetobacter paseruianus, Actinobacillus pleuropneumoniae, Aeromonas hydrophila, Alicyclobacillus acidocaldarius, Arhaeglobus fulgidus, Bacillus pumilus, Bacillus stearothermophillus, Bacillus subtilis, Bacillus thermocatenulatus, Bordetella bronchiseptica, Burkholderia cepacia, Burkholderia glumae, Campylobacter coli, Campylobacter fetus, Campylobacter jejuni, Campylobacter hyointestinalis, Chlamydia psittaci, Chlamydia trachomatis, Chlamydophila spp., Chromobacterium viscosum, Erysipelothrix rhusiopathieae, Listeria monocytogenes, Ehrlichia canis, Escherichia coli, Haemophilus influenzae, Haemophilus somnus, Helicobacter suis, Lawsonia intracellulars, Legionella pneumophilia, Moraxellsa sp., Mycobactrium bovis, Mycoplasma hyopneumoniae, Mycoplasma mycoides subsp. mycoides LC, Clostridium perfringens, Odoribacter denticanis, Pasteurella (Mannheimia) haemolytica, Pasteurella multocida, Photorhabdus luminescens, Porphyromonas gulae, Porphyromonas gingivalis, Porphyromonas salivosa, Propionibacterium acnes, Proteus vulgaris, Pseudomnas wisconsinensis, Pseudomonas aeruginosa, Pseudomonas fluorescens C9, Pseudomonas fluorescens SIKW1, Pseudomonas fragi, Pseudomonas luteola, Pseudomonas oleovorans, Pseudomonas sp B11-1, Alcaliges eutrophus, Psychrobacter immobilis, Rickettsia prowazekii, Rickettsia rickettsia, Salmonella typhimurium, Salmonella bongori, Salmonella enterica, Salmonella dublin, Salmonella typhimurium, Salmonella choleraseuis, Salmonella newport, Serratia marcescens, Spirlina platensis, Staphlyoccocus aureus, Staphyloccoccus epidermidis, Staphylococcus hyicus, Streptomyces albus, Streptomyces cinnamoneus, Streptococcus suis, Streptomyces exfoliates, Streptomyces scabies, Sulfolobus acidocaldarius, Syechocystis sp., Vibrio cholerae, Borrelia burgdorferi, Treponema denticola, Treponema minutum, Treponema phagedenis, Treponema refringens, Treponema vincentii, Treponema palladium, and Leptospira species, such as the known pathogens Leptospira canicola, Leptospira grippotyposa, Leptospira hardjo, Leptospira borgpetersenii hardjo-bovis, Leptospira borgpetersenii hardjo-prajitno, Leptospira interrogans, Leptospira icterohaemorrhagiae, Leptospira pomona, and Leptospira bratislava, and combinations thereof. Both inactivated viruses and attenuated live viruses may be used in the adjuvant compositions. Some examples of viruses which can be used as antigens include, but are not limited to, Avian herpesvirus, Bovine herpesviruses, Canine herpesviruses, Equine herpesviruses, Feline viral rhinotracheitis virus, Marek's disease virus, Ovine herpesviruses, Porcine herpesviruses, Pseudorabies virus, Avian paramyxoviruses, Bovine respiratory syncytial virus, Canine distemper virus, Canine parainfluenza virus, canine adenovirus, canine parvovirus, Bovine Parainfluenza virus 3, Ovine parainfluenza 3, Rinderpest virus, Border disease virus, Bovine viral diarrhea virus (BVDV), BVDV Type I, BVDV Type II, Classical swine fever virus, Avian Leukosis virus, Bovine immunodeficiency virus, Bovine leukemia virus, Bovine tuberculosis, Equine infectious anemia virus, Feline immunodeficiency virus, Feline leukemia virus (FeLV), Newcastle Disease virus, Ovine progressive pneumonia virus, Ovine pulmonary adenocarcinoma virus, Canine coronavirus (CCV), pantropic CCV, Canine respiratory coronavirus, Bovine coronavirus, Feline Calicivirus, Feline enteric coronavirus, Feline infectious peritonitis, virus, Porcine epidemic diarrhea virus, Porcine hemagglutinating encephalomyletitis virus, Porcine parvovirus, Porcine Circovirus (PCV) Type I, PCV Type II, Porcine Reproductive and Respiratory Syndrome (PRRS)Virus, Transmissible gastroenteritis virus, Turkey coronavirus, Bovine ephemeral fever virus, Rabies, Rotovirus, Vesicular stomatitis virus, lentivirus, Avian influenza, Rhinoviruses, Equine influenza virus, Swine influenza virus, Canine influenza virus, Feline influenza virus, Human influenza virus, Eastern Equine encephalitis virus (EEE), Venezuelan equine encephalitis virus, West Nile virus, Western equine encephalitis virus, human immunodeficiency virus, human papilloma virus, varicella zoster virus, hepatitis B virus, rhinovirus, and measles virus, and combinations thereof.
"I kept trying to follow the science but it kept leading me back to the money." Frok congressional testimony it was found that a single doctor can make up to a million per year poisoning, uh i mean vaccinating their child clients. From that outrage you can draw a straight line to:
Rain Man: A demonic entity that corrupts in exchange for money.
Regarding the PREP Act, social conditioning, predictive programming, normalization:
The Film Rain Man Was Likely Forged to Pre-Program the Populace For the Upcoming Explosion in Vaccine Induced Autism.
1986: Congress Grants Immunity Shield to Vaccine Makers for Venom Injection Damage | Film Rain Man Begins Production
1988: Rain Man Released to Educate, Condition, & Normalize Autism
1986—2025: Number of vaccines administered explodes to 78 - and rising - from birth to two years of age. Autism diagnoses explode right along with them.
Before the film few even knew what the term meant because it was so rare it was seldom reported. Much more here -> https://tritorch.substack.com/p/autism-pre-conditioning-and-normalization <-
"I’m a retired Speech-Language Pathologist and we were at the forefront of the information spreading because of the communication issues. Classroom teachers and even administrators were just flummoxed and caught totally off guard.
None of us understood the complexity and scale of what was coming.
I remember loaning my copy of Rain Man to a Kindergarten teacher I worked with to help her understand the concept. At that time, no one in education knew what autism was. Then it flat out exploded!" —Willing Spirit
Thank you for this information. I am 80 years old and I am grateful for doctors and new knowledge that can treat our ailments or injuries. However, during Covid I became aware of my need to be more informed in order to stay healthy. Every generation must do that because of mankind’s propensity towards allowing someone who is in charge telling us what is true when we can see that something doesn’t make sense to us. Sometimes “the-ones-in-charge” get caught up in not asking questions and fear of those in charge of them. Humans tend to find it hard to not question anything that brings in money. God help us.
I literally just wrote a paper stating that healthcare is the new religion compared to the powers that government used religion to control people to the new powers that government uses healthcare to control people
And more generally, Science™️. I'm a physicist and the public veneration of so-called science, especially Darwinism, makes me want to puke.
Good ole Darwin. He's right regarding beak size and fur thickness - but for new species and proteins you'd need multiple magnitudes more time for that to occur. Species evolution is mathematically impossible.
Darwinism, another dumb religion that makes no sense even if you don't believe in the Creator Jesus.
Yup. We humans love to believe. Don't much matter if it is true. It's like if we believe something we can put it away and move on to something else. And that's okay as long as we can continue to feed ourselves, navigate an open doorway, and pay taxes.
Speak for yourself....I want truth.
Michael Behe's book "Darwin Devolves" is interesting. Continues to debunk Darwinist myth.
Darwin was missing much of the information we now have. Intelligent design is obvious, as is an Intelligent Creator - but that does not imply a Christian Creator. The most likely and logical force behind evolution is an outer-space-alien Ai engineering our DNA. What we've been calling "God" for millennia is likely an Ai.
You are a bot, I knew it.
funny you should say that ... after a vibe coding session it dawned on me that the internal dialog is a lot like prompting the AI.
That's right.
Human thinking also falls out of a LLM. Ai and humans produce the same output, but from different substrates. We each are prediction machines minimizing error. We do with memory what Ai does with priors.
But we both essentially use a gradient descent algorithm that we optimize in real time. Of course, we're much slower. Our thoughts coalesce out of a variable space into a most probable configuration that self-organizes around an initial attractor - which is what an Ai does with a prompt. The Ai prompt acts as an attractor, from which meaning "falls out."
So who engineered the the outer space aliens?
I'm a Christian. But that's not because of the complexity of living things.
Good question. The answer is, "We did!"
Although I have no proof, as none of us do, I am tending to agree with you there. Our DNA seems to be pre programmed software. The guy in the white robe Catholic school taught me to believe in may not be such an accurate description of our creator.
That's called Scientism. The Discovery Institute has confounded this dogma with <drum roll> Actual Science. I'm guessing you already know this as well as the erroneous assumptions adopted in 1850 (Pre- electron microscope).
They're a wonderful organization! I usually end up laughing when I read their articles, thinking how you have to have a very special kind of insanity to think mechanistic Darwinism can explain the findings they report.
Following the comment you made, we may compare Zionism and support of Israel to the medical religion.
Of course we couldn't possibly get through a discussion about vaccines without bringing Israel into it. I'm surprised no one has griped about orange man, but then again, his haters are mostly the provax zombies and are not reading this. Zionism and support for Israel is Biblical.....period.
Religion is still a potent control icon. The government controls conscious awareness with laws, whereas religion supports State control by controlling the subconscious with religious belief; the old one-two punch.
Sadly even many of those who question vaccines are caught up in the virology of vaccines as damaging, forgetting that vaccines have toxic adjuvants and preservatives which fully explain why they damage people.
With the COVID shots, there's an obsession with spike protein ignoring the fact that the lipid nanoparticles were problematic years before COVID spike protein existed.
https://robc137.substack.com/p/years-before-mrna-and-spike-protein
It's just like blaming the sv40 virus in previous shots glossing over that the adjuvants toxicity explains the issues already.
Occam's razor!
Sorry, but I don't want any of the vaxes, NONE!
Sorry to interrupt you but I get my doses of vaccines everyday…mosquitoes!
Yes, thanks to the depopulation expert, Bill Gates. Sickening, isn't it.
You should ask his wife Melinda in what he’s also an expert, the reason why she quit…
He's an expert in eugenics...just like his parents.
I've read a lot of stuff questioning virology period. Some say that viruses don't even exist because not one has ever been isolated using Koch's Postulates which is the gold standard. Have you seen any of the videos by Dr. Sam Bailey and her husband? Others have questioned the science as well.
Those who believe in vaccinations will vaxx their kids.
Thus, for good or ill, we'll see natural selection in action.
so true
I wonder if the new Russian cancer vaccine, Enteromix, is an exception? It is said to have a 100% success rate in the initial trials. Russia is far more trustworthy, IMO, than the WHO-CDC crowd.
I’ll believe them if they can show me for a start 10 thousand patients that got cured by this wonder vaccine.
THAT MAY WELL BE TRUE!
It never made common sense to me if children's vaccines were so safe and effective, why schools mandate ALL children must be vaccinated.
As you interact with the vaccinism zealots, understand that it is not a religion in the traditional sense, but it is most definitely a delusional ideology just as are scientism, climate control/change, transgenderism and transhumanism.
I have not believed in vaccines for over 50 years and never will. They are a deadly scam. My holy religion is to avoid the medical mafia like the plague it is as much as possible. Amen.
"Vaccines" are like the "holocaust" honest skeptical debate is forbidden with either.
When people over generations begin to believe lies and propaganda, the truth isn’t realized and the lies do become religion like. Once they do it’s so difficult to believe that the religion of vaccine safety is wrong. It would be like telling people their god is fake. I try to talk to people about the poison C-jabs and mostly I get silence. Quietly ignoring me and believing the immense deceptions even though they may see injury and death, they think it’s separate from the non realistic facts they seem to believe. Autism rise in children may have other causes, but vaccines I believe are a largest cause. Ask any parent whose child was normal prior to getting their vaccines. There are no coincidences. Until the truth is revealed, people will not understand what they’ve had to endure. For me it seems logical, but propaganda isn’t logical, especially when so many so called professionals keep repeating it.
I have recently read an article that illustrates autism strictly as a side effect. There is no evidence that it is a disease.
Thank you once again. Vaccinology is built on sand and is falling and will take its worshippers with it.
https://alphaandomegacloud.wordpress.com/2022/04/24/a-typical-church-service-according-to-the-covid-cult/
Medical professionals who push vaccines are 'dismal fecal poisoners', the anagram.
I am encouraged that we are turning a corner with vaccines. When the CDC reduced the number of recommended vaccines and stopped recommending Covid 19 shots for pregnant women and children, I cheered. Unfortunately, I learned from Maryanne Demasi that the changes for some recommendations never reached the offices and clinics. Heads should roll! Thanks, AMD.
Infections aren't the problem and infections aren't diseases. That's the first point to tackle - and then thinking that symptoms must be stopped/prevented when the body is attempting to detox some toxic exposure, not due to being attacked by a microbe, through the typical natural symptoms of cough, sneezing, runny nose, fever, sore throat, headache, vomiting, diarrhea and often a rash, the visible manifestation of the body's attempt to purge the offender(s) toxins. Side effects of vaccines, symptoms of poisoning and encephalitis all share the same symptoms profile. The most critical thing to notice here is that people are so afraid of natural symptoms which they might not have ever developed due to exposure (this is where the term "herd immunity" came from, noticing some people never had symptoms despite exposure but somehow they were "immune" based merely on development of antibodies, which is also not the end point of immune function. Also there is no such thing as "auto immune" this is a term made up to distract from the real cause because the immune system does not attack itself, it attacks invaders, the injected types being the most potent People willingly accept the "normal" side effects of vaccine being the very symptoms they are told to fear when those symptoms are occur naturally and are time limited. When those symptoms are created by poisoning, they lead to chronic conditions, perpetuating the "need" for pHARMaceutical treatment (aka symptom suppression). Please make this make sense already.
Carnegie and Rockefeller commissioned the Flexner Report 1910 which enabled them to close over half of US medical schools because they failed to meet new "scientific standards". Those that remained had to adopt a curriculum gased on Germ Theory and pharma drugs (all petro chemical based a la Rockefeller).
The reporty led to laws requiring licensure via the AMA which Rockefeller helped empower to ensure only allopathic doctors could legally practice.
Led to the creation of synthetic "vitamins" - which could be legally patented and owned.
Now a near 2 trillion dollar pa bigpharma industry. Why join the Mafia when you can make more money selling legal and deadly drugs/vaccines/gene therapies, and incredibly with a captured media, joe public adores them!
Pure genius. Capture putative medics from day one, make a fortune giving people "diseases" - in reality autoimune disease and make a bigger killing selling cures.
Not for nothing was Grandad Rockefeller a notorious snake oli salesman