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A Midwestern Doctor's avatar

On the topic of grifting. A few people just sent me an article they were very concerned about that said DMSO was a deadly poison. When I initially read through it, I thought the author was quite misinformed (ie. she opened it by saying EDTA was formaldehyde and berated anyone who tried to offer a counterpoint). With DMSO, she specifically argued that since it's chemically extracted from pine bark (DMSO actually comes from wood), it's toxic and hence much better to just get a miraculous pine bark supplement. Since this is a common online marketing tactic (creating fear to sell a product followed by marketing material), I checked and the link to that supplement was an affiliate code (meaning she gets a cut of each one sold).

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Thomas A Braun RPh's avatar

Profit motive runs Big medicine. Not good health outcomes. Malone and Midwest Doc are more right than wrong versus those in DC being managed by Big Medicne.

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Richard Amerling, MD's avatar

Love this very thoughtful piece. Regarding vaccines, rather than wasting efforts to ban them, we should focus on two things: No mandates, and fully informed consent. Both should be achievable with executive action and will lead to far less vaccine uptake.

One more item is to repeal the 1986 law indemnifying vaccine manufacturers from liability. This will require an act of Congress, which will be a very heavy lift, considering Pharma’s influence on our “representatives.”

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Lori's avatar

Need to drop liability shield for Big Pharma jabs. That would be an accomplishment.

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Frontera Lupita's avatar

And over turn State Laws that do not allow for ANY type of ‘exemptions’ (medical, religious or personal) to the CDC ‘childhood vaccine schedule’ for a child to attend public school. Like the heinous law that was pushed through by Dr. Richard Pan here in CA in 2019, pre Scamdemic. Coincidence?

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Joomi Kim's avatar

Agree that some people are way too cynical and have not bothered to think about what it must be like to be head of HHS, surrounded by people who are hostile to the maha agenda and with an electorate who still thinks it's fringe to question vaccines.

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Lori's avatar

MAGA MAHA DOGE!!!

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Crixcyon's avatar

On the other hand, the HHS has no care about what it is like to be under their hostile thumb.

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Christie Kennedy's avatar

Great article and I appreciate the perspective. And while people are understandably frustrated that the Covid vaccines have not been pulled, I strongly believe that the MFM, substacks like yours, independent media, and RFK have opened the eyes of many to the dangers of vaccines; people who would not have been reached in any other way in the past. This can only be a good thing. So I focus on that fact and try to practice discernment around any negativity especially as it pertains to people. Many times it has proven to be a distraction and often not true. I think you do the same and I'm grateful for your measured perspective and your voice. Keep going. We are with you!

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Itsirk's avatar

I did see at least H.H.S. will no longer recommended the Covid shots for kids and pregnant women. That’s a start even if neutered version of what needs to happen. The message should protect some!

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Swabbie Robbie's avatar

There is another subset of Psychopathy. Philanthropath: A psychopath masquerading as a philanthropist. It is a term coined by Margaret Anna Alice.

These wealthy individuals make donations under the guise of contributing to a good cause but are actually investing in their sinister and self-serving agendas.

An example: Bill Gates’ $10,000,000,000 “compassionate donations” to worldwide vaccines yielded a 20-to-1 financial return for him, making him one of the largest philanthropaths in the US.

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A Midwestern Doctor's avatar

That is a major grift but I did not go into it since it's done by a relatively small number of people.

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Swabbie Robbie's avatar

I think as we look into it we will find it is a far larger number of people and corporations than we expect. Leaving corporations out due to the definition, the number of individuals who donate to causes and to politicians because the returns to them will be much higher than the investment. Maybe a Philanthropath to psychopath circle of grift + 10% for the big guy. Anybody want to buy a judge?

But, I want to thank you for this article. It is an important look into they divide and conquer game we are living under is a well studied technique by governments, business, finance, and social interactions right down to church congregations and family dynamics.

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Lori's avatar

Bill Gates is bad news. Have no interest in "seeing" his way of things. The world will be better when he is gone.

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It's All a Journey's avatar

Such a good article. Thank you for writing it . Everyone in MAHA needs to read this.

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CK's avatar

Excellent piece. Specifically regarding Kennedy I really don’t get the frustration or black-pilling. Kennedy is a wildly successful lawyer. His book on Fauci reads (and is sourced) like an appellate brief. The man is smart AND politically savvy.

So, let’s say Kennedy bans mRNA COVID shots. Big Pharma will sue in a friendly jurisdiction and get an injunction. HHS is now left wasting resources to fight the injunction. We see this playing out with many of Trump’s EO’s, “banning” whatever vaccines or jabs would follow the same script, except Pharma pockets and connections are way deeper than a lot of these NGO’s who are suing.

People need to take a step back and ask themselves if progress is being made. Is it better now than it was 6 months ago? Big changes take time, we are getting there.

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Mouzer's avatar

While I think highly of RFK Jr, I stopped reading the book when it said Trump wanted people to put Clorox in their bodies. I heard it live and didn't remember it that way, so went online and listened with as open a mind as I could three times, even trying to see it that way. He never said such a thing though he certainly spoke inartfully. I decided there was no way I could check every reference and did not finish the book.

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Michael Guy's avatar

I believe that Trump was informed by or about Andreas Kalcker - a leading proponent of Chlorine Dioxide solution (CDS), which was a cheap and effective protocol, and did not clearly explain. Needless to say the media jumped on the supposed gaffe, and the Chlorox myth was born.

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A Midwestern Doctor's avatar

1) Trump at that time was making a reference to ultraviolet (he specified "disinfecting light").

2) The chlorine dioxide people, like many, had sent letters to the white house about using it to treat COVID.

3) CDS is commonly attacked by calling it bleach.

4) The media initially said Trump told us to inject disinfectants.

5) That then changed to Trump told us to inject bleach.

6) The CDS people took the bleach line as proof he'd been promoting CDS since that line is also used against CDS, but as the previous points show it is not what happened.

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Mouzer's avatar

I will look up Kalcker. There are some things for which I will crawl all the way down the rabbit hole, but as I knew he was a POS from Fauci's behavior in the past regarding various treatments (such as AIDS) as well as what I saw during Covid, I saw no reason to do it for this book. For many it was a worthwhile eye opener, but for me it would only have been a hate feast, perhaps satisfying and confirming, but not worth the crawl.

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Michael Guy's avatar

Clearly your sources are more credible than mine ! I was using CDS for years before Covid, and was already convinced of its various benefits. Wikipedia had predictably condemned it as "Dangerous bleach". Did you see Andreas Kalcker's microscope video of ClO2 dispersing clumping red corpuscles?

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Mouzer's avatar

I watched the video of Trump online. I am probably a good deal older than you and have seen Fauci/CDC bad behavior over many years.

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Michael Guy's avatar

I have been around pretty long myself. Being a 60's student, was instinctively wary of authority, were it corporate or governmental. My inclination has always been towards naturopathy/alternative treatments due to the obvious suppression of any Safe & Effective treatment that was too cheap for the industry to tolerate, e.g.DMSO. My attention to the medical industry came into sharp focus however, when FB censored my posts about Ivermectin, and the veil began to lift further, showing the evil smirking face beneath.

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The Green Hornet's avatar

First off, let me say that I enjoy your writing very much. I also mostly agree with you on RFKjr as well.

However there are bad actors that have been placed in his way. Monarez will be a problem and Makary as well.

I must disagree with you on the Means'. These are Grady's kids and I agree with Nicole Shanahan's "Manchurian" candidate label. Calley has studiously avoided any vaccine discussion and even blocked Mary Tally Bowden when she called him out on that. Casey IMO is an astroturf airhead. And let's not forget the malignant actors on Congress especially Bill Cassidy.

RFKjr has his work cut out for him.

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A Midwestern Doctor's avatar

I know very little about Monarez but we've learned of a lot of very encouraging things about Makaray through back channels which already make him one of the best FDA directors in history (granted that is a very low bar to overcome).

My belief is that the primary reason Calley is not publicly discussing the vaccines is because it's outside his current Overton window and everyone knows that so they are continually barraging him with things he can't respond to and then using that to argue he's evil.

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John M Kominek's avatar

Since the success of MAHA is of critical value to us all, I'd like to offer my analysis from the perspective of a mediator.

My approach begins by listening to this side. For that purpose reading your essay counts. I do this with both sides. Then, prior to bringing the two parties to the table I meet with each side separately to express the other side's point of view. I offer a framework of understanding and identify where reconciliation potentially lies. I'm not saying it is your job to mend divides. Only that mending is possible and that there is a method available for achieving it.

Situational Common Ground (by analogy).

Premise 1. We have lived through mass murder, and the serial killer is on the lamb. To give the serial killer a name, let's agree to call him Vax19.

Premise 2. We are given the opportunity to select a special detective to capture the serial killer.

Premise 3. The killer belongs to the mafia, and the mafia have paid off the police captain. In fact, they run almost the entirety of government.

Premise 4. Hiring the special detective is thus an adversarial contest.

It escapes no one's notice that the hiring process is an event with high stakes.

Characters Applying for the Job

A, 11) The Relentless Firebrand - speaks out loudly against Vax19; once hired relentlessly pursues the capture of Vax19.

B, 01) The Savvy Stalker - says little to nothing about Vax19; once hired pursues the quarry incrementally and quietly.

C, 10) The Trojan Horse - speaks out against Vax19; once on the job he hires friends of Vax19 into the detective's office.

D, 00) The Establishment Player - conventionally safe during interviews; deliberately ineffective on the job.

This side, as voiced by Midwestern Doctor, believes that the Means siblings are Savvy Stalkers. The other side of the debate believes they are Trojan Horses. What they dearly want to hire is the Relentless Firebrand.

Concerns Voiced by the Other Side

1. Insufficient experience/qualifications.

2. Suspect history.

3. Disqualified by current business and policy interests in bio-monitoring.

4. Unwillingness to discuss Vax19, our killer on the lamb.

This last point is the strongest intransigence. I can't do justice to their frame of mind by paraphrasing. So I'll quote Jenna McCarthy to directly express where they're coming from.

"[M]oms didn’t walk through fire over glyphosate. They didn’t get kicked out of pediatricians’ offices because of red dye. They didn’t lose their jobs and go to blows with their school boards over seed oils. Those are real concerns, sure—but they’re not the reason people burned friendships and broke up families and became medical freedom warriors. They did it because of the Covid shots. Because their kids were injured. Because their babies died. Because their lives were destroyed by mandates, gaslighting, and silence. So when Casey Means shows up with the right aesthetic—green juice, glucose monitors, breathwork, and beets—and doesn’t say a word about vaccine harm? That’s not just a red flag. That’s the whole stadium on fire."

Path to Reconciliation. This consists of three parts, in sequence.

1. Make a convincing argument that (B), the Savvy Stalker, is the only viable path. That in the present political environment the Relentless Firebrand will meet an early demise. RFK Jr.'s backroom hobbling by Senator Cassidy speaks to this reality.

2. Argue that the Means siblings are playing the strategic long game which requires, as an early step, appearing innocuous enough to pass through the gate.

3. That point 2 holds despite evidence indicative of the contrary.

There are challenges to reconciliation. For starters, during the hiring phase the Savvy Stalker and the Trojan Horse are nearly indistinguishable, by design. Secondly, the Means siblings are lacking in street cred. That is to say, a consistent history that establishes a counter-establishment backbone. RFK Jr. has street cred. Kash Patel has street cred in his role as head of the FBI. He is there to oust the Government Gangsters.

Critically, the Covid era changed everything. There is little remaining public patience for slow maneuvering. For not only is the killer on the loose, but the killer was a creation of and remains protected by the government. The MAGA movement is upheld as the Calvary galloping into town -- to run out of town the crooked sheriff and all his loathsome gunmen.

To sum up, the other side of the split is carrying the anti-vaxxer flag high and strong. They want their lead horse to fly the flag too, full cry into battle. They are firmly convinced this is the only path to victory.

The challenge for our side here is to make the argument that the same ultimate objectives can be met, and perhaps can only be achieved through more subtle means. Or, to end on the obvious pun, through Careful Means.

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JC's avatar

One of the pieces in the Means' book that I found - pro-globalist - is the use of continuous monitors, feeding the Cloud with our biometrics. Whether for sleep or glucose - this is too much data to give away. I can see where - the people who are SO HELPLESSLY entrapped in the diabetes or CPAP sick-care system, that this could help - but - do you know what your heart rate is right now? I do, with no monitor.

I find that these systems feed into the globalist "AI will control all" system. Paranoid? Unless they are out to get you.

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yantra's avatar

maybe i missed something (it was long) but is your final 'mediated' analysis that we need the means twins?

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John M Kominek's avatar

I realize it was a lengthy comment. And truth be told, it is a little out of place to insert a mini-essay. I tried to be as concise as possible.

If you got to the end feeling unclear as to my personal position that means I succeeded. When wearing the hat of mediator one tries to not build an argument that tilts towards personal opinion. If you ask, I think I'm on the fence still, wanting more time to observe.

To play act for a moment, if it were me on the hot seat I'd answer along lines like this. "Mr. Senator, immunology is not my specialty so I cannot from first-hand knowledge make a blanket statement about the safety and efficacy of vaccines, as you are requesting. Given the great interest surrounding this topic I am determined to review the scientific literature as quickly possible so that I may conscientiously be the spokesperson of sound medical advice. I echo Robert Kennedy Jr.'s commitment in presenting to the American public the landmark studies that have been conducted on vaccines safety, including the Covid-19 vaccines, which to date have not been presented as clearly as they could be. Like you we are concerned by growing public concerns. We believe that only through informed transparency can the public's concerns about any possible connection between vaccines and Autism be properly addressed."

To the entrenched enemy all I'm saying is: Hey, I'm here to get your message out; the science will tell the tale. To those awake to the game "landmark studies" is code for corrupt coverups. If you can't succeed as a Relentless Firebrand be a Trojan Horse to the bad side, a Savvy Stalker for the good side.

Apologies for another lengthy entry. As the old saying goes, sorry for writing such a long letter. I did not have enough time to write a short one.

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yantra's avatar

interesting - i did not know that about landmark studies = corrupt coverups.

i loved your last line - so true.

as for me, i tend to be more of a firebrand, especially about wireless radiation, which i think is actually even worse than the endless vaxxes, and also compounds the damage - it opens up the bloodbrain barrier and lets chemicals/poisons in - which it is used for in certain drug applications.

but NOBODY wants to know, and the trillion (quadrillion?) dollar wireless industry (which even lloyds of london will not insure for health damage from their products) is quite pleased about that.

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John M Kominek's avatar

I like Firebrands. They are nucleating points for building pressure.

For the job of Surgeon General an example of a Firebrand is Dr. Dave Janda. His name was once toss in the ring for the job, in fact. He wrote a statement declaring what he would do as Surgeon General. Word came back from D.C.: "We've decided not to continue your application to the next round." This was after they politely called back and asked "We've passed your statement around. Is there anything you'd like change about it?". Dave said No.

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aprayerformonkey's avatar

Frankly, that was brilliant. I felt as though you left us having just jumped off a high ledge. I can only hope for a less than fatal landing.

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Carol B's avatar

I see the discussion, or reluctance, to discuss the C19 un-vaccine, even or especially among the Trump leaders, faithful, is due to the fact, “It’s Trump’s vaccine”. He did not force it, mandate it, but he proudly claimed it as his and did for a long time. However; Imo, he tried to tell us not to take it. He left clues. What if Pharma came out with a “safe & effective” shot, they said they did, and Trump said, “No, not proven safe, takes 7 - 10 years, and there are available treatments now. Oh, that’s right, he did say this. And a lot more. Consider, we found out the safety results would be released. In 75 years. Really? But people were so frantic, terrified, crazed, they would have done anything. They did. Posted on fb, proud pics of getting the jab. The jab, created by “Operation Warp Speed”. Trump could point out how he tried to warn us, imo, but desperation on the people’s behalf, blocked out any reasonable thought process.

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yantra's avatar

yeah - one of the weirdest things to me was when they were proudly posting with their icon as a drawing of their face covered by a pretty mask (esp women). that said it all.

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aprayerformonkey's avatar

The word 'cowardly liar' comes to mind. Rolling back even the most pathetic restrictions on big ag and their toxic beyond belief chemicals is really all you need to know. Who needs 'clues' at this point.

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Miss Rodeo's avatar

It was Trump’s vaccine, and I believe he was played by Fauci et al. Admitting he was played would never happen, EVER! I don’t know how it can be stopped, but it must be or our birth rate will continue to plummet, cancer rates continue to skyrocket and people die.

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Usamnesia's avatar

It was a DOD countermeasure against a biological..... a DOD/DARPA operation run under the PREP Act and the EUA....a master license to kill and maim at will....and NOBODY in that chain of delivery is liable. The works of Latypova/Lerman/Witt has tied up the event very accurately I believe. I fear we are just too damn ignorant to comprehend much anymore....after 7 seconds if its not moving or vibrating...we drop into our zombie states.

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Carol B's avatar

Trump knew. Perhaps not the extent to what was going on. But he tried to tell us - “we have developed this vaccine in 9 months, in what usually takes 5 - 7 years because of safety concerns.” Safety concerns, over and over he repeated this. and then, it was named, “warp speed”.

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Lori's avatar

Touche'

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gail's avatar

I used to subscribe to Medscape and I remember Dr. Makary on there and I did not like the narrative he was pushing then. He was very woke as far as I remember. I quit listening and subscribing to Medscape.

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JC's avatar

Yeh, CV19 killed my Medscape interest. HOWEVER, there is (was?) an excellent thread posted by professionals about their experiences with the jabs. I started reading - it was voluminous - and damning.

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TC's avatar

To be fair, it’s not like Mary was politely trying to engage him in discussion. She was harassing him on a daily basis. I follow both on X and I would have blocked her as well.

As much as I admire how she stood up for and took care of her patient during the pandemic, I wonder what kind of a toll everything has taken on her. She has suffered horribly from the Texas medical board and part of me wonders if some of that mistreatment of her is manifesting in this Hyperfixation on Calley.

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kmvause's avatar

I share your concern about Mary. She seems to be unable to allow for any of the political difficulties discussed in this article and while I was reading, she came to mind frequently. I believe she is sincere and has done so much but is not at all politically astute.

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Itsirk's avatar

I’ve long respected Mary’s voice of dissent….until she started dragging the Means (and even Kennedy himself) through various puddles of divisive mud. And honestly one day it struck me that she is still scraping inflammation out of people’s sinuses and thinking it’s wonderful medical practice. Surely she knows the root inflammation needs to be extinguished to be curative right? And if she doesn’t know that then why should she be listened to from a true MAHA vantage point? And if she does know but continues to do this for money…what does that actually make her? Either way, she’s turned many off for good.

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Gina Rose's avatar

I do not agree with you on this and think you are being unnecessarily harsh on Calley and Casey. This mindset is exactly what AMD was talking about in the essay. “Astroturf airhead” is so insulting and you do not know her - but it’s not even OK to say such an insult and then put IMO right after it. It is obviously only your opinion as you do not know her. I don’t even know what you mean by “Grady’s kids” but that sounds like it is supposed to be an insult and put down also.

Mary Tally Bowden got a bee in her bonnet ages ago about Calley and was so unreasonable and obnoxious that I had to mute her. Nicole Shanahan strikes me as a little jealous of Casey - I don’t know why she would throw a grenade by saying such incendiary things as ‘Manchurian’ but it seems to me she was caught up in strong emotion and not thinking clearly about consequences.

She is definitely one of these people who do not want the focus to be on food - which is Casey’s main area of focus - and is desperate to get to the vaccine issue. Her child is disabled so for sure she is massively emotional about it - but it is clear she is acting from an emotional place rather than a clearheaded one. Still - I would not be throwing insults at her even though what she said was damaging to the whole movement overall. I hope she can come to see that.

The only person I could agree with you on is Senator Cassidy who really needs to be forced out of his position as he is causing so much harm.

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A Midwestern Doctor's avatar

I haven't had time to do this yet, but I put it some requests and data is starting to come out showing Cassidy has deep ties to the pharmaceutical industry.

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Lori's avatar

The real question is, who does not? Sadly, a list much shorter in length.

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sadie's avatar

If you want to understand it better, research Means' parents. Grady is her father. You'll be surprised what you find on him. Also check both the kids' association with groups we don't want anything to do with. That's where 'Manchurian' comes in. See Naomi Wolf's article as well.

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William Burke's avatar

You picking the two worst individuals, Johnny Come Lately's with extensive baggage and no track record to be the 2 people you defend shows me your BS Meter is a wreck.

What has Calley or Malone truly sacrificed? Having people challenge them in open forums?

Get them in a hot debate and they have nothing to stand on but industry cred and the lobbyists forked-tongue that speaks a lot but says little while evading the difficult questions.

With over 30 years of battle against the medical industrial complex I have seen hundreds of Calley Means and Robert Malone's come and go doing more damage than good.

Save us the philosophy and psychobabble indoctrination induced plea for these 2 and others under the guide of caring about the outcome.

Neither has the depth of character or understanding of health to lead in the movement needed to right the ship.

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A Midwestern Doctor's avatar

•Robert Malone is one of the primary people responsible for stopping the COVID vaccines and he did so at great risk to himself.

•No one has yet identified anything harmful Calley Means has done.

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Thomas A Braun RPh's avatar

I think this is all about wedging! Conquer and Divide. The truth seekers camp is being divided up into a number of camps and I don't think this is understood. Big Medicine uses PR firms that employ master word smiths to create bias and half truths and seed division. Dr. Means statement convinces me she can be objective and her statement has created fear in Big Food, Big Medicine and Big Pharma and that is why there is intense pressure to assassinate her character. I understand this is what she believes, which I approve of:

From the perspectives of science and national security, the correct strategy is clear: All Americans need to eat healthier foods, lose weight, and get into good physical shape. All of this supports immunity. It is well established that obesity, diabetes, heart disease and high blood pressure are largely preventable with healthy diet and lifestyle. But healthy living is very difficult for Americans facing relentless advertising for processed and unhealthy foods, addictive (salt and sugar) ultra-processed food, entrenched and culturally-reinforced taste preferences, limited access to healthy foods for many Americans, public policy that subsidizes disease-promoting foods, sedentary behavior, and a health care and medical education system that still largely emphasizes sick care over prevention.

In the face of this mess, it can seem like the simplest course is to give up and rely on insulin, statins, blood pressure medicine and other palliative care to moderately extend lives. But the message from COVID-19 is that chronic medications don’t ensure resilience against pandemic viruses. Only good physical health appears to have helped. It is, without exaggeration, a Darwinian moment for America. Americans must build personal immunity defenses through radical changes in diet and exercise, or risk getting sick and dying.

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A Midwestern Doctor's avatar

Great comment!

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aprayerformonkey's avatar

So true. I would also add the social addiction to food. Somehow love, laughter and human bonds all revolve around food and you're in trouble if you try to lose weight if your spouse or close family is locked into that cycle. They will sabotage you out of fear and jealousy. Same with alcohol. You literally lose people that you thought were authentic friends just because of what you choose to put in your mouth. They would rather you be on deaths door instead of facing their own addictions. It's creepy.

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D D's avatar

William, Your bloated reply reeks of insult to anyone who actually has a working intellect.

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Thomas A Braun RPh's avatar

Your diatribe tells of your origin!

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Linda Kapala's avatar

My comment will be simplistic compared to the incredible research and thoughtfulness you have compiled here. I need to read your columns several times as I'm not as sharp as I once was (two strokes in 2019 with some remaining emparement). Back to vaccines the current schedule for children is absurd and schools pressure parents to comply in order to enroll their kids in public schools. Too much power there, I believe and it promotes the thinking that vaccines are good, necessary and essential. I do believe some may be valid even today. Besides home schooling and some private schools what can parents do.

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KATHAZEL's avatar

Sometimes it is easier to lead by example rather than spend time and energy arguing with others. I believe once a pathway has been created for people to reject vaccines without penalty, then the health and vigor of those individuals will showcase the benefit. I see no advantage in a blanket vaccine ban. Let people have the choice knowing those of us who flavor lifestyle over pharmaceutical intervention serve as living examples to others that there is a better system.

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Rob (c137)'s avatar

RFK as HHS secretary could stop the emergency which his predecessor extended to 2029. People are still being injured or killed by Remdesevir which is empowered by this "emergency"!

https://brownstone.org/articles/why-are-hospitals-still-using-remdesivir/

No excuse when he can stop it without the need of Congress and there's clear evidence that covid is not an emergency. (Btw anthrax is still emergency last I remember... Think about why they don't stop these, for the next hype.)

https://sashalatypova.substack.com/p/open-letter-to-the-hhs-secretary

The Means siblings are far from trustworthy.

https://debbielerman.substack.com/p/the-means-psy-op-continued

Also we got Makary promoting using models instead of actual real testing.

That's not right. Models are easily manipulated and this only benefits pharma. Also they want to do placebo testing but on NEW vaccines. Old ones continue as if they're safe!

https://robc137.substack.com/p/allergic-to-bullshit

MAHA seems to be a limited hangout these days.

It keeps people hopeful and waiting while they keep having excuses.

https://www.wikispooks.com/wiki/Limited_hangout

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A Midwestern Doctor's avatar

•The primary reason AI is being used at this point by the FDA is because the reviewers do not have time to go through lengthy application packets. While it would be ideal for humans to do that, the present situation is that no one at the FDA does, so having AI assist in the review has a real chance of improving drug safety.

•The AI testing you've highlighted is for a subset of research where animal testing isn't needed hence both saving money and reducing animal cruelty.

•While I wish more was being done, MAHA has already gotten more done on the health front than everyone else in government has for decades. You can call that a limited hangout, but the alternative is the much more limited hangout we've had for decades.

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Alan Fogle's avatar

And RFK Jr and others have only been in office for a short period of time.

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Atlandea's avatar

I would love to see AMD dissect the messages of JJ Couey. RNA cannot pandemic. transfecting humans in a muscle to create antibodies is stupid, and more. Doubtful she will as her existing alliance appears to be with Malone.

Never forget that Malone sued a pychologist for millions on the basis of a disagreement in opinion.

Having said all that I still very much respect 99% of the work of AMD.

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A Midwestern Doctor's avatar

I am not at all familiar with the messages of JJ Courey so I can't comment on them, but I feel the mRNA platform needs to never be used for vaccination again.

All I can really say is that I know Malone personally, and on that basis of who he isI, I am comfortable defending him despite it being a fairly hot button topic I get pushback for. Conversely, I also have a lot of gratitude for what Breggin has done (I frequently cite his work and I know how hard much of it was to do), so I've accepted they have a difference of opinion and left it at that. I understand why many people hold different perspectives on Malone, and I sincerely appreciate you not holding mine against me : )

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D D's avatar
May 16Edited

Atlandea, The simplification of Dr. Malone's lawsuit is unfortunate, obviously you must buy the rest of the slander that has been spewed. Too bad.

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PRice's avatar

People at the FDA could use @Kevin_McKernan for examples of how to use AI https://anandamide.substack.com/. He's dug into several of them to get answers that weren't provided on the first and second passes.

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Atlandea's avatar

I would not trust McKernan. His interests do not align with all jabs are bad and need to be halted ASAP.

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PRice's avatar

Please do better.

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yantra's avatar

hopium

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BluesLover's avatar

Casey and cally means are not the best choices and are certainly not for "their ability to communicate". Their rise to fame was completely inorganic and many ppl saw that from the beginning. Whether you want to elude to psychopathic persuasions because people don't like her, or not, the name calling won't change people's mind. The list of qualified phds that have treated patients and can prescribe medication and have actually sat in a room with a patient, is long......Casey/calley is not qualified to the standards I want as a surgeon general. I would like to see somebody that has treated patients and had experiences that are only known to treating physicians. I have long covid. Fortunately I was in Dr Bruce Patterson's first study and relied heavily on his blood panel. Today I am 90 to 95% better only because I listened to about 20 treating Physicians that had real life experience. People like Dr's Marik, Varon, Kory, Yo, Patterson, Ladipo, and more...... the Means twins are unacceptable to me. My career of 30 years has been in the medical and legal research field. I can spot inorganic rise and that is what this is

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A Midwestern Doctor's avatar

Prior to now, who do you feel was the best Surgeon general we had (rather than just one who repeatedly reminded us to get vaccinated).

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Randy's avatar

The best Surgeon General is the one currently serving in that capacity in Florida. Joseph Lapado is a Harvard-trained MD, PhD and a signer of the Great Barrington Declaration. He was instrumental in convincing Ron DeSantis to stop all COVID mandates — including mRNA shots, masking, and school/business closures — in Florida in 2021. Brave AI explains:

“Dr. Joseph Ladapo, appointed as Florida's Surgeon General in September 2021, has been known for promoting several unproven and controversial treatments and measures related to COVID-19. Here are some of the key points:

Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin: Ladapo has supported the use of hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin as treatments for COVID-19, despite these drugs being considered unproven and potentially harmful by mainstream medical consensus.

Mask-Wearing: In an opinion piece published in the Wall Street Journal, Ladapo argued that public mask-wearing "has had, at best, a modest effect on viral transmission," despite numerous studies showing that masks reduce the spread of the virus.

Lockdowns: Ladapo has criticized lockdowns, stating that they "increase deaths overall" and are "nonetheless still considered an acceptable solution," despite evidence suggesting that lockdowns can help reduce the spread of the virus and prevent healthcare systems from being overwhelmed.

Vaccine Mandates: He has expressed skepticism about vaccine mandates, arguing that they are "promoted as essential for stopping the spread of Covid-19, though the evidence suggests it won't," despite widespread scientific agreement on the effectiveness of vaccines in reducing transmission and severe illness.

Herd Immunity: Ladapo signed the Great Barrington Declaration, which advocates for reaching herd immunity through "focused protection," allowing less vulnerable people to become infected. This approach is widely criticized by public health experts as dangerous and unethical.

These stances have been met with significant criticism from public health experts and have raised concerns about the state's approach to the pandemic.” — End Brave AI

More recently, he was instrumental in getting fluoride banned from the public water supply throughout Florida.

After Nesheiwat bit the dust as Trump’s Surgeon General pick, Ron DeSantis contacted Donald Trump to offer Dr Lapado for the position. Instead, Trump picked a person who, according to her own newsletter, set up a meditation shrine to her ancestors, performed full moon ceremonies, talked (out loud) to trees, and used psychedelics.

https://x.com/patdennis/status/1920226926930588023?s=61

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A Midwestern Doctor's avatar

We all hold Ladapo in high regard. However:

•Despite many efforts, he was not accepted for the position.

•He is a state SG not a national one.

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Randy's avatar

“He was not accepted for the position.” … by Donald Trump — the same guy who put Fauci in charge in 2020 and thought Nesheiwat was the best doctor in America in 2025.

“He is a state SG not a national one.” Okay, let’s talk experience… Casey Means is neither a state SG nor a national one, with zero government experience and precious little experience as a practicing physician — and that makes her eminently qualified to be America’s Top Doctor?

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A Midwestern Doctor's avatar

The point I was trying to illustrate is that Casey Means is being held to a much higher standard than any previous SG. In the past, they mostly just robotically repeated whatever the medical consensus was, so having the person who advises America on their health who actively and persuasively advocates for functional medical practices is a big improvement. The SG position is relatively inconsequential compared to RFK's other appointments (hence why people barely even remember who the previous SGs were), and I feel the primary reason it is being focused on is because people have a grude against Calley and Casey Means, not because a bad SG is an existential threat to our country.

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Randy's avatar

I agree that the SG position is relatively inconsequential. The only SG I can recall is the one who had the warnings added to cigarette packages, and I can’t even recall his name without googling him. But the head of NIH departments were relatively anonymous and inconsequential before the head of the NIH allergy and infectious diseases department, Anthony Fauci, was handed the “keys to the kingdom” by President Trump. Now everybody knows the name of this “inconsequential bureaucrat” and what he did to destroy America.

My point is that the SG position does not HAVE to be inconsequential. The COVID debacle has served to separate the wheat from the chaff, so to speak, in the medical profession. And there is plenty of “wheat” to choose from, many of whom have been named in these pages. Also Dr Scott Atlas, who was an advisor to President Trump, pushing back against the idiocy in real time, but has since disappeared from the national radar. Dr Vinay Prasad is heading to the FDA, but there are many more red-pilled physicians of national prominence who are being passed over for “chaff” like the Means clan.

The Drs Means’ greatest accomplishment is convincing Venture Capitalists to give them millions of dollars for their startup companies. We as a nation could do better than put the 21st Century equivalent of a “Magic Elixir” saleswoman in even an inconsequential figurehead position.

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Mouzer's avatar

I think Ladapo is great. Charges against him are he ignores science, though he was confirmed in FL anyway. Seems to me that would be enough to get uninformed Senators, along with those who get big medical-based contributions to go against him. We saw how those contributions played out during RFK Jr's hearing.

RFK Jr was a win, but that means there must be selections the opposition thinks will balance him out to get those other confirmations. The hope is that there is enough support from those confirmees, along with public pressure, to push MAHA forward. Public hearings and AI can do a lot to push the better narrative. Never forget that FL is politically a republican state. Trump does not enjoy that advantage.

Every one seems to think the SG is mainly a doctor giving advice, and while that is essentially true, the job of the surgeon general is primarily administrative. The SG "...oversees the operations of the U.S. Public Health Service Commissioned Corps, an elite group of multidisciplinary officers whose mission is to protect, promote, and advance the health of our nation."

It doesn't matter how medically knowledgeable a doctor is if he can't run a large organization, which sounds like another charge against Ladapo whether true or not. A good administrator with some medical knowledge, an open mind, and a desire to do right will understand the information that comes from the talents under him and will be able to decide whether to provide it publicly. I have no knowledge of the administrative capacity of these others, but I think that's where the test will be.

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Dr. Robert W. Malone's avatar

Joe publicly stated that he wanted sec HHS and that he thought the SG slot below him. Game over. Get with the program and try to pay attention

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Randy's avatar

The senate just approved 107 of Trump’s nominations, but your girlfriend’s nomination for Surgeon General was not one of them. You must be disappointed, but maybe it has to do with the 32 consumer and health advocacy groups urging senators to oppose her, calling her "wholly unqualified". You backed the wrong shaman, doc.

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Randy's avatar

Maybe it’s time to drop the woo-woo nomination for Surgeon General and put someone in that position with both the intelligence and the stones to make a difference.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/florida-end-all-vaccine-mandates

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Randy's avatar

Three months on, and you have still provided no backup on your claim of mind-reading Loe Ladapo. Recently, a coalition of 32 consumer, health, and advocacy groups urged senators to oppose the nomination of Casey Means as Surgeon General, calling her "wholly unqualified" due to her inactive medical license and lack of public health leadership experience. Looks like your “best girl” is headed either for outright defeat or a slow, lingering death by the silent treatment.

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Randy's avatar

Re: Your post quoting Clint Eastwood that Clint Eastwood never said…

I see Dr Joe Ladapo isn’t the only person you publish lies about. You still have not retracted your statement about Ladapo, now two months later. I also note that your best girl, Casey Means, has still not been approved as Surgeon General, two months later. No wonder why.

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Randy's avatar

It’s the one-month anniversary of your mind-reading post. I hear you’ve got more important things to do now, so I guess you should have posted the source of your magical thinking when you had more time.

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Randy's avatar

Three weeks later, and no backup for your assertion. So how are you, Dr Malone, different than Dr Fauci? He made wild proclamations about masking and distancing without a shred of backup. You made a wild proclamation about what Dr Ladapo “thinks” without a shred of backup. It’s no wonder medical professionals have a credibility problem.

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Randy's avatar

It has now been two weeks since your unsupported claim that Dr Joe Ladapo “thinks” the Surgeon General position is below him. I’m struggling to “keep up” and “get with the program,” since the guy with the answers will not back up his claims. Are you mind-reading, like your woo-woo friend Casey Means, or do you have actual evidence of Dr Ladapo’s thoughts?

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Randy's avatar

Seven days ago I asked for a link to verify your claim that Joe Ladapo “thinks” the Surgeon General position is below him. We’ve just had a long Memorial Day weekend, so I expected you to come up with some supporting evidence by now. It’s difficult to, as you say, “get with the program” and “pay attention” when all I have is a random drive-by comment with no backup.

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Randy's avatar

I didn’t hear that, either from Ron DeSantis or Joe himself.

Query: “Joe Ladapo rejects Trump’s Surgeon General appointment.” Brave AI: “There is no information in the provided context about Joseph Ladapo rejecting Trump's Surgeon General appointment.

Since I don’t talk to trees, ask my ancestors for guidance, or take recreational psychedelics (like Casey Means does), there’s no way for me to know if Joe “thought” the SG slot was below him. Therefore, Dr M, please provide a link to his public statement to that effect.

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Cindyeo's avatar

Thank you for your very thoughtful analysis. I’ve been back and forth but have to agree, we need someone who can be confirmed, and as one commenter said, we must lead by example. Let people come to their own conclusions about the shots, I won’t be getting any, and I’m rarely sick. Hopefully that Overton window will slowly shift as people see what happens when you build your own innate immunity.

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BluesLover's avatar

I am against any type of mandatory vaxs and more importantly against any covid vaccine… but that's the difference between me and the Means twins. I don't feel we have had excellent Surgeon General’s ….that doesn't mean we should accept the same mediocre qualifications as we have seen. However, I haven't studied any of their resumes. So let's get past mediocre….let's look at excellent physicians like Dr Paul Marik or Dr Joseph Varon

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A Midwestern Doctor's avatar

When has either of them used their platform to advocate for vaccination let alone mandates?

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BluesLover's avatar

Why are you stuck on vaccines? I want a well rounded physician that has treated patients, managed current health issues, has seen the good of repurposed drugs and the unique patient treatment needed. Put the kool-aid down doc. Ask yourself why you are stuck on these two when I am proposing that there are 10-50 better qualified doctors. Yikes...you know how me concerned about you because of your inability to see that their are excellent candidates available other than the Means twins

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A Midwestern Doctor's avatar

"I am against any type of mandatory vaxs and more importantly against any covid vaccine… but that's the difference between me and the Means twins."

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BluesLover's avatar

You need to take off your blinders and respect that people have different opinions about those two...and that the United States of America has PLENTY OF AMAZING CANDIDATES that are capable of saying no to the covid vaxs clearly, don't have companies that will benefit from data of US citizens for their data bio companies and HAVE TREATED PATIENTS SUCCESSFULLY

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aprayerformonkey's avatar

Exactly. Rigor mortis might be movement, but it is not life.

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shasta (non-English speaker)'s avatar

"Requiring placebo testing for all new vaccines (which is never done as an actual placebo would reveal damaging many vaccines are)."

SCAM ALERT!!!

Covid vaccines had palcebo controled trials.

Nirsevimab had control trials, they worked something like this:

- Nirsevimab arm: 12 deaths.

- Placebo arm: 4 deaths.

- BUTTTT, the 12 deaths in the medicine arm are not due to the medicine itself.

- Therefore: 0 vs. 4. Approved and injected to every new born.

They must change how those trials are made, otherwise... another scam.

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Jon Swenson's avatar

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies...."

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/526469-of-all-tyrannies-a-tyranny-sincerely-exercised-for-the-good

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yantra's avatar

or maybe worse yet, medical busybodies.

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Reader East of Albuquerque's avatar

Thumbs up to this one. Appreciate the info.

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A Midwestern Doctor's avatar

Thank you!

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