My direct personal experience is that the gaslighting often ropes in the patient in a kind of Stockholm Syndrome:
Me: You got much sicker right after [name of medical intervention].
Response: Oh, right, where did YOU go to medical school?
That white coat means wisdom, and the way your body is screaming at you must be a lie. I've seen this several times, now, up close and personal, in ways that seemed shockingly obvious. I'm always particularly fascinated by the maneuver of "we don't know what's causing it, but here's the list of medications we're adding to treat it." Sounds good, doctor.
There's just a portion of the population that won't get off the ride, no matter where it takes them. "These are the experts, Chris."
At times, when fully bored, and in need of a laugh, I tune into a TV show called, "How the Universe Works," for as long as my endurance allows. The "scientists" (no more than a dozen regulars) all parrot the same things, supposedly substantiating the posited theories, in hopes to make them appear less ridiculous. Sometimes it's no more than 2 minutes and that's all I can take of their nauseating attempts of persuasion. Once they emphatically point to exactly what happened 3.7 billion years ago, I'm OUT OF THERE!
Yes, the narrative, being fueled by the propaganda machine, leaves a discernable trace of evidence in that regard. Someone posted a collage to that end, and it's quite unsettling to think that the masses didn't notice its choreography.
When the cv19 crisis was announced by trump, I saw through it and knew it was all a setup. I can only thank the Lord for the eyes of my understanding that alerted me. Then when the mandates were forced on everyone, I thought I was gonna lose my job because I was definately not going to take the jab. Well low and behold, my employer put no pressure on the staff to take the jab although more than half at work did volunteer to. Eventually, I never wore that stupid mask at work anymore. The Lord is good to His children.
“How much of your medical schooling was spent studying my particular condition? And how do you suppose that stacks up against my 60 years of living in this body and knowing when something is wrong?”
In other words, sayonara doc, take your condescending attitude and shove it up your ample backside.
And take not about the comment regarding physicians suffering from a remarkable "discipline conceit" where they often think they know things far beyond their training.
Similar and just a tad more , I did add it up one day. I have gone from telling all not to let them put a band aid on you 3 years ago, to working with some of the finest people I have ever met.
Up to 16 hrs a day looking at what has been done to us all under a microscope. There is now very little difference in the blood of the jabbed / unjabbed and it only is good now where people are aware and doing something about it.
I think We would get along just fine!!! When We “lost” a P.A., I did 16- 100 hour weeks in a row…That destroyed Me. That being said, I was not going to let People/Patients down. 😁🔥🏴☠️, Ed
Not this portion. I've fired five cardiologists, each of which wanted me on some brand and dosage of a statin and each, different for each one, also wanted me on some other pharma. But none would talk with me about the discredited fat/cholesterol hypothesis, none would discuss inflammatory markers, diet, or alternative. I don't have a cardiologist these days.
Would you mind giving a real-world example where this happened to you (a medical intervention making you worse and a doctor disbelieving you)? I’m very curious.
Here’s mine. Condensed version. 2010-2011. I was ‘sick’ most of the time, upper respiratory, got pneumonia, lost a lot of weight. 2012 I developed severe facial pain, between that and the constant sickness as described I developed pretty severe anxiety. I knew something was wrong that the wizards were missing, and that I couldn’t solve on my own. Not coming up with anything my doctor did what doctors do when they can’t figure it out. Sent me to a shrink. By that time I had experienced 3 years of illness and one year of pain. I was in pretty bad shape. Shrink took a family history (which included two suicides) and that was it. Within 6 months I was on multiple drugs. My health did not improve, but I felt there were no other options so I kept taking them because they dulled the pain. At some point I realized that I wasn’t nuts and I spent 2 miserable years getting off 4 of the 5 drugs. Then a chance encounter with a FNP planted a seed. Which led me to an oral facial pain clinic at a major university. Which resulted in a Dx of Maxillary Osteomyelitis (bone infection upper left quadrant). That led to two surgeries, 8 weeks on a PIC line and 6 months on an oral antibiotic. That was in 2018. Have not been sick since. Once the infection was eradicated everything got better. Still have some pain from nerve damage but it continues to improve. The surgeon told me that “someone else should have figured this out a long time ago”. I had seen at least 15 different doctors and dentists. They all exist in their little functional silos and never step back to look at the bigger picture.
5 years later and I’m still working on getting of the benzo. It’s a bitch but I have cut my dose by 75% over the past 18 months.
The bad part is I literally lost 6-7 years of my life. The good part is I learned never to trust anything told to me by anyone in the medical field. I had the Covid scam sniffed out by the end of February 2020 and was taking HCQ by mid March.
I could write a book about all the crap I went through and the massive amount of gaslighting that took place.
The surgeon told me that “someone else should have figured this out a long time ago”. I had seen at least 15 different doctors and dentists. They all exist in their little functional silos and never step back to look at the bigger picture.
Thank you for the frank disclosures. That benefits countless others.
Before the Psychiatric fraud you might have looked elsewhere though by then you were likely desperate.
Not trying to blame the victim just pointing out the obvious.
Jaw cavitation (infection) is extremely common from root canals by ignorant specialist dentists. Some of us have known for 30 years.
They are directly responsible for chronic disablity and death. Highly unlikely that either profession, with the exception of the 5%, would have a clue.
You are welcome. Thx for the kind thoughts. I did spend many hours and lots of money looking everywhere and elsewhere. I knew something was very wrong, and countless times told the alleged professionals that they were missing something. And I resisted the “it’s all in your head” mantra for a long time. But eventually, just as you say, I got desperate and began to think maybe it was.
And on the dental issue, the cause (not certain, but this is the theory of the oral surgeon) was an implant that was drilled to deep, breached the bone into soft tissue, eventually got infected, resulting in a fistula that connected the apex of the tooth and my maxillary sinus. Since it was always infected, that it what made me sick. Antibiotics tamped it down, but it always came back. Then the infection eventually spread to the facial bones. It took years for all of that to occur.
And on the 5%, again yes. The doc who figured it out was both a general surgeon and an oral surgeon, which gave him a perspective others did not have.
I’ll bet the dental X-rays showed nothing. I’m in that battle right now, a 2nd molar extraction site to maxillary sinus issue. Four years and it always comes back and the fact that the tooth is long gone and X-rays show nothing apparently is proof of no problem despite flare ups of pain at that phantom focal point and headache+tinnitus on that side during flare ups. I have a pretty good idea of what’s going on, having studied some of the medical literature. The dismissiveness is infuriating. Six dentists. Actually had a dental student recommend a specialist who only takes cash but my budget is cut to the bone already, so to speak. Setting aside a little at a time.
When they say it’s all in your head, in a perverse way they are right.
Correct. X Rays showed nothing. Even worse, I had a cone beam done in 2013 by an oral surgeon who put in writing “no dental pathologies found” as he washed his hands of my case and referred me to an ENT. Later, I discovered that the vast majority of oral surgeons, implant specialists, root canal specialists who now have cone beam machines in their offices, receive very limited training. And the training they do get is focused on their specialty only and not on use as a diagnostic tool. When I finally found someone who actually cared, he reviewed my medical history and told me what he thought the problem was, before he ever looked at my scans. Then when he did look at them, he showed me all the things that were missed. Hiding in plain sight, is how he put it.
Prior to my first surgery he ordered a medical grade CT, saying that while a cone beam properly read is a great tool, it’s not even close to being good enough when one is going to go in and cut out a bunch of necrotic bone.
Not medical advice, the funding issue aside, and without knowing where you live I will say this. Like you I got absolutely nowhere for years, I suffered through multiple root canals, TMJ treatments, the psych drugs, depression, anxiety, ruined relationships and lots of pain. It wasn’t until I went to a “real” oral/facial pain clinic at a major university (UNC) that I found anyone who had a clue. It’s a slow process for sure, but if you have a University with an oral/facial pain clinic and a hospital dentistry program that is probably your best bet. I’ve been seen at UNC, IU, UM and none of them take insurance for the initial consult. But insurance did pay for my surgeries and all the follow up treatment.
If I can provide any info that might help let me know. I have much empathy for you, as it sounds so similar. The fistula that went into my maxillary sinus did not show on XRay, barely showed on the cone beam, but was obvious even to me on the medical grade CT.
I’m just a layman, but the maxillofacial surgeon who extracted my tooth was one of the most pugnacious and pompous characters I have ever met in my life. And I don’t believe I had done anything to trigger him. I thought I must’ve done something to anger him as he nearly put his foot on my forehead for leverage while wrestling my tooth out.
Your "book" has a happy ending! Thank the Lord for that! Welcome back, friend!
What strikes me is the likelihood of medical treachery negatively affecting soooo many souls around the world that we never hear about. It's rightfully frightening, and so we thank you for willingly posting yours. It helps the readers by confirming suspicions.
Thank you. That is very kind. As one of my only remaining friends likes to say
“I’m not exactly where I want to be, but I’m definitely not where I used to be”.
One interesting footnote. The doctor who figured it out and performed the two surgeries told me that it could take up to 10 years for the nerve damage to heal. He said it might never heal, although he expected I would eventually get some improvement. Furthermore, he said at a point around the 5 year period you will know. It was 5 years in July and damn if I didn’t start to see some significant changes in the amount and level of discomfort over the summer. To the point where I rarely think about it anymore. Well, I still think about it as I ended up having to lose multiple teeth and the implant, but I’m happy to take that over the pain and the zombie drugs.
Thanks. I did get a series of targeted injections and did physical therapy I do not know if any of it actually helped the healing process, but there was definitely psychological benefit. I can say that the improvement that has occurred over the past year has been quite astonishing. The fabulous Dr. who figured it out and cleaned it up was trained in Scotland. He was at UNC when I saw him, but he is now at IU…closer to you. LOL.
Not for everyone; but, HBOT. They stole My idea. The results can be impressive. I was unable to complete My original study/publish; but, 14/14 improvements in DSP (distal symmetrical polyneuropathy). As with anything, there can be side effects…like Life in general. 😂 Ed
More stories like this in Maya Dusenberry's "Doing Harm: The truth about how bad medicine and lazy science leave women dismissed, misdiagnosed and sick."
Apparently it happens more to women, because we have a tradition of "Hysteria" (thanks, Doc, for pointing out the mercury connection! I have a feeling that women's bodies might be more sensitive to mercury)
Thank you. As I wrote earlier, it’s been 5+ years since the surgery and in 2023 I have experienced significant improvement in the amount and level of discomfort from the damaged nerves. That has been an unexpected blessing and confirms, just like MW Doc frequently opines, that the body has amazing healing properties once the actual source of an issue is addressed.
Indeed. My story goes actually goes back decades. I had the tooth implant in 1995. Subsequent to that, I had multiple ‘sinus’ type infections every year. Prior to that I almost never got sick. I failed to make the connection, and as I wrote none of the numerous doctors or dentists I consulted did either. I was misdiagnosed with TGN, TMJ, Psychiatric issues, and more.
In the 5+ years since I had the surgeries and PIC therapy (Ertapenem daily for 8 weeks) I have only been ‘sick’ twice. Prior to getting it cleaned up I could get sick twice a month! I’ve also never had Covid, at least not that I know of. Definitely Unvaxxed!
I worked with Individuals in the Texas Workers’ Compensation system. Worst case, it took Me two Years to get them taken care of. Do not make Me angry when it comes to Human Beings/Well Beings. In the end, I will Indeed make you look Very Stupid. Ed
Edit - They called it Ed’s scathing medical reports. 🔥
Nice. Due to all of my health issues I was not able to work on any type of a regular schedule. I applied for disability in late 2012. I was a lawyer so I did it myself. Got denied. Appealed. Got denied again. Requested a hearing. At that point I retained the best disability attorney I knew. I wanted an in person hearing. I had to wait 3 years. We won our case in July 2017. It was a partial victory, as by then I had returned to some months of full time work. I was given a closed period award, for the 4 year period when I could not work more than a few hours per month. Lump sum, in excess of 100k. SSA refused to pay despite the judgement. I had to go back to court to get an order to force them to pay. All told it took 5+ years from start to finish. Persistence. Great lawyer. Solid case with massive documentation. All this took place in NC which is just about the most difficult state to win a case.
Sounds like we have something in common. I had the receipts and I was not going to give up. I also learned all about the really ugly side of the disability scam, and what goes on in rural church basements on the 3rd Sunday of every month. That knowledge just made me more determined.
This would require me to discuss the illnesses and medical treatment of family members, which crosses a privacy line that shouldn't be crossed, and I knew that I was leaving those details out when I posted my original comment. But I suspect most of us have had similar experiences for comparison.
Well you didn't ask me but I'll tell you: after an episode of AFib I got put on a beta blocker and rapidly got congested and couldn't breathe. The doctor should have known you don't give metoprolol to someone with asthma. When I call a day or two after starting it to tell him I couldn't breathe and ask if it were the med, he insisted on doing a stress test after admitting me to the hospital. Only after the test showed my heart is in good shape did he entertain the idea that the culprit was the metoprolol. The Eliquis I was given gradually crushed me over a period of a few months. I quit it on my own and told the doctor afterwards what happened. He said: I've never heard of that happening. I told him: You're hearing it now!
I saw them turn my father in-law into a passive old guy. Before it was that advanced he told me that they made it impossible for him to get upset over anything! There's a term I found to describe what beta blockers do: "clouding the sensorium". Really a beautiful term for a sorry state.
Let's start with "bipolar disorder." SSRI's caused me to flip (along with a huge stressful divorce) to "bipolar." So that means different drugs (I refuse to call them medications, they don't medicate anything). When I complained that the depakote was giving me intentional tremors, and making me dopey and hampering my ability to work - the Psych NP insisted that if we increased the dose, it would resolve. I was in deep poverty, but had the clarity of mind to fire her, even though I couldn't afford a doctor. This is one tiny example, of which I've accumulated myriads since then. This was in the USA, 1990's. I also have dozens, maybe hundreds of similar cases on Surviving Antidepressants. It's a common, too-common story.
I gave up my academic career and trained to be a medical herbalist mostly because i didn't want anyone i loved to have to be treated by the NHS.
Medical herbalists are trained to take a full case history and perform a physical examination (a first appointment takes 60-90 minutes). We are taught to listen and to get a proper picture of the patient's lifestyle and diet. We build a timeline of when the problems started. We draw up differential and then a working diagnosis. We actually try and figure out the root cause.
Then we give herbal medicines that have been used successfully for millennia and which support the body in healing.
I am much like you- left healthcare and am a holistic and functional nutritionist and my approach is much like yours, focusing on the entire person with an individualized approach. I educate others to know how to take care of themselves without the dependence on allopathic medicine. Between a detailed initial assessment that you and I do and I can order a vast array of labs…we can identify underlying root causes and address them from a holistic approach. I just wish more people would start with us but instead many arrive at our doors when they realize what allopathic medicine has done to them. Continue the great work!
We don't come to you (or many other alternative care practitioners) first because our insurance typically doesn't cover the treatment. And unfortunately, holistic/functional medicine practitioners--depending on the approach, type of treatment, number of office visits, etc.--aren't cheap for many of us. I spent a lot of money over the years on holistically/alternatively treating a couple of issues that never did get resolved. (They weren't resolved allopathically either, to be clear, but those failures cost me less out of pocket.)
I agree that, yes, insurance plays a huge role in where a person seeks treatment. I am sorry your issues never got resolved. I know as a practitioner that I take it very hard when a client is still suffering and I will spend a great deal of my own time trying to figure out what I am missing.
But I still view it as if people spend money on a holistic practitioner upfront a lot of downstream medical expenses may be avoided. Obviously this is not true for everyone such as your case. But I also encourage everyone to “interview” the practitioner first. For instance, here in Colorado, a person can take a 24 hour course and call themselves a nutritionist- hence, ask about their background, their experience and their specialty.
I, self-supporting, never had the disposable income to spend thousands of dollars on "vacations and stuff", let alone "keeping up with the jones's". I spent a lot of what spare money I did have on alternative treatments for issues after the usual allopathic treatments didn't work. There may be individuals whose spending priorities don't consider "health" to be at the top of the list, but not everyone is that way. Just want to set the record straight.
My functional medicine doctor cost me around $8,000 and I still had the problems. A chance comment on a substack sent me on a direction that explains the 3 issues perfectly--all related to the type of food I was eating or not eating. (Ultra low carb). I’m ch@nging things up and my next labs in March hopefully tells another story. That will be my last visit if I myself have initiated change for the better and I feel good.
It has become popular to advertise "Integrative medicine" "functional medicine"
holistic medine etc Unfortunately that guarantees nothing. Word of mouth is useful. A dentist scammer called his business the Whole Tooth, while he worked at 90mph doing as many root canals as possible. He knew were the $$$ was...
I believe that people don’t come to practitioners like yourself first, because 99% of people who seek medical care are heavily linked to that care being provided by their ‘health’ insurance, and they pay little to nothing to see a doctor. They don’t want to pay ‘out of pocket’ for care that they pay a monthly health insurance premium to receive.
I never had ‘health insurance’ for most of my adult life (am now 71), was a reasonably healthy person (no vaxxines since childhood or flu shots) and when I did seek out ‘healthcare’ it was through an alternative medicine practitioner like a chiropractor, acupuncturist or herbalist.
I still pay out of pocket for this type of ‘healthcare’ even though I had to get ‘socialized/subsidized Medicare health insurance’ when I turned 65. It is a Healthcare ‘Insurance’ that I feel totally sucks and I want no part of.
I wish more people approached their health like you Frontera.
But when you break it down, a holistic practitioner is still providing more value for the time put in. An allopathic doctor typically spends only 7 minutes with a patient, interrupts before the patient has spoken for one minute, doesn’t listen long enough to determine what tests are needed and only looks at what is out of allopathic range on blood work- this is the complete opposite of what non-allopathic practitioners do.
I started out with a primary focus on mental health. It amazed me that people wouldn’t pay for me to identify root causes for their depression but even with insurance spent a lot of money seeing a therapist every week for years…with minimal improvement. Think of how much money they spent on that!
I think in the end, it doesn’t come down to just money but what takes the least amount of effort. A lot easier to pop pills than to stop buying fast food and start cooking.
Allopathy likes to pretend herbals aren’t “real.” A revelation to me was finding the “Plant Profiler” at the Sigma-Aldrich website. It lists a myriad of plants, their therapeutic chemical agents and lists a short bibliography of research papers on their efficacy in treatment. Kinda makes it obvious that herbals can be effective and that many pharmaceuticals are patentable synthetic versions of effective herbals.
So I tried to find the plant profiler. I last used it 8 or 9 years ago. It’s gone. Turns out Merck bought out sigma-Aldrich in 2015. I’m shocked, SHOCKED that a useful resource of that nature has been disappeared
I did some work for the NHS in a dermatology clinic (the doctors would send patients to us herbalists when they didn't respond well to the standard treatments aka steroids) and we were limited to 20 minute appointments.
Chinese medicine, too. They are able to move energy using needles, acupressure, chi kung and tai chi. Been using it since 1983 because it works where allopathic Western medicine is just slash, burn and poison. They have no answers a lot of the time.
It knocks out flus and COVID, too. In just days. And it helps prevent these as well. Took care of a sinus infection in about a day and a half, with the right herbs. Fixes tendinitis, arthritis, high blood pressure, varicose veins, urinary incontinence, anxiety, you name it-- they fix it.
Again, HBOT. Impressive results. Find a Physician that knows their “stuff”; but, I am headed there. At 57 My body has been, let’s just to say, put to the test. 🏴☠️ Ragnar Danneskjold, Ed
Quick to prescribe, those allopathic drug-pushers are! Brings to mind a parallel situation: My old truck refused to idle. Brought it to a seasoned mechanic who did a specific test and then promptly said I need a new carburetor. Costing more than the value of the truck, I decided to get my hands dirty and possibly fix it myself. Like brain surgery, exposing the little brass idle jet was a headache, but finally unscrewed it and found a grain of sand obstructing the fuel flow. Removed it; put it all back together and viola!
But the thing always resonated with me to trust NOT those who have no "skin in the game" and are only protecting their reputation or occupation. There are NO existing oversight agencies to perform the duties we expect. So let us join the "herbalists" and depend on our "Victory Gardens" to accompany us to the land of the living with good health.
Eat plenty of phyto-chemically rich (plant) foods and be there for your grandkids!
this is a really good point: But the thing always resonated with me to trust NOT those who have no "skin in the game" and are only protecting their reputation or occupation
Yeah, unfortunately, it's systemic in our culture to place the all mighty dollar ahead of everything else. Bending or breaking moral laws seems to take on an (unintended) "collateral damage" stance; a position that is not defendable. God will judge, and it will not go well for them.
I saw two idiots here in the London area. I just decided to fly back to the USA and pay cash to see a Physician I trust. Ed
Edit - He does give me “crap” about smoking. I’m like We all have our demons. I have three mountain bikes…Let’s see who gives up first. Come work with Me for a day…I have 4 chainsaws. Ha!
When we discuss socialized medical systems, a point I try to make over and over is how many patiens we see in the USA who were people who flew here from Europe.
...and also people who made a quick trip over the border from Canada.
My cousin's wife is Canadian; they live in Canada. When the wife had pregnancy complications and needed timely treatment, they had to hop over the border to the U.S. to get it. Had they waited for an available opening in Canada, the ending might not have been so happy. Most Americans have no clue about what "healthcare for all" really means.
I just finished reading Lewis Thomas’ Lives of a Cell. There are several passages where he admits how dangerous vaccines are to the immune system. And this was taking place in the 40s and 50s
Sorry.. it was his “The Youngest Science “. It is a collection of essays, mostly autobiographical. There were a couple of places where he described his work on vaccines where he clearly stated that the problem was the damage to the immune system. I don’t have the book or I would quote it.
This is an amazing post. But… this is where my mind immediately goes on this subject. Diet and lifestyle is, in my mind, the root of the majority of anxiety and depression. The body and mind literally cannot function (especially the adrenals) without proper nutrients going in and while being flooded with environmental/diet toxins.
Also, when there is dysbiosis, the body produces massive amounts of toxins right inside itself that interfere with all sorts of essential bodily functions, including mood regulation.
I was having physical health issues in my 30s and finally realized that I was poisoning myself with a poor diet. I made this discovery after years of doctors visits and finding no real solutions. I finally had an epiphany, against my will because I wanted the doctors to have an easy answer. Begrudgingly at first, I made the necessary improvements (which was very inconvenient and difficult), and everything improved over time. Honestly, I went through several mourning periods when I had to give up junk food.
Before I changed my diet, I never thought of myself as anxious or depressed but after healing my body, the anxiety and depression that I was experiencing lifted. I was so used to feeling crappy that I thought it was normal.
Medication may mask symptoms (or make them worse in some cases) but it will never provide the body with what it actually needs, which is whole, unprocessed foods, good sleep, stress management, loving relationships, low levels of toxicity, etc.
I’m sure it’s possible that a person could have a very good diet and lifestyle (Although in my experience, many people believe their diet and lifestyle is better than it actually is) but until someone struggling with mental illness actually makes these changes for about a year, and they have to be meaningful changes, they would never have a baseline to see how they feel on a proper diet in order to adequately find a solution if something is still wrong moving forward.
My sister has been on SSRIs for decades. I worked with her for a long time and slowly she started eating well a little at a time. Eventually, she had made significant progress and was eating well consistently. And not surprisingly, she didn’t need the medication anymore. She was doing amazing. Then, summertime hit and she put all her kids in soccer and just sort of let go of all the good habits she had formed because she was busy. She eventually lost all the progress she had made and ended up going back on medication. She decided it was just too hard to eat well and make other good choices and has given up even trying. And her doctor assured her the medication has no negative affects and isn’t addictive. (Gasp!)
I have so much sympathy and empathy for her and anyone trying to make significant changes because our entire culture is stacked against us being healthy. Advertisements, the medical industrial complex, addictive convenience food, family traditions, learned helplessness, busy lives, stressful relationships, expensive food (not that all healthy food is expensive but some is)… it’s so much to overcome. But, if it is the answer, it simply is, difficult or not.
Now she has four children. Three of them for sure are on medication, maybe four. It breaks my heart.
Somehow we have to turn this ship around or we will have nearly 100% of the population chronically ill. We literally cannot have a functional society the way we are headed. We are reaching critical mass for the whole system to implode, which is what is happening with The Great Reset. Something has to change because it’s not financially possible to have a solvent system when more than half the population becomes so ill that they are unable to contribute. The Great Reset, in my mind, is a sort of controlled demolition so that we will all be under a bio-fascist state and we will eventually no longer have the ability to choose even the most simple of things for our own life, including what we eat. That’s my theory anyway.
But before the Great Reset is complete, we have a chance to make changes. It’s against all odds because this diet and lifestyle trap is happening to children before they even have a chance to decide what diet and lifestyle they want to follow because they are subject to whatever they are born into. Then they become adults who are in the system and already addicted and enslaved.
I find it so interesting that if you were to offer a child a cigarette, a glass of alcohol or illegal drugs, you would have your children taken away. But if you feed your children pizza, soda, ice cream, chips, chicken nuggets, mac-n-cheese, donuts, and breakfast cereal, you are known as the “cool parent”. And then as a society, we are surprised that our children have the highest rates of anxiety and depression ever even imagined. And we give them medication for it.
I guess why I’m rambling on is that we first make ourselves and our children ill by eating a diet that would probably be illegal to feed a pet because it’s so awful, then we go to the doctor to find a fix. What is the medical community supposed to do to fix that? Of course corruption and gaslighting is the general course of action because they don’t actually have any way to address what is really wrong. They have nothing else to offer because it’s not a case of a ‘lack of medicine’ that ails us.
Sorry for the meandering rant but I don’t think it’s just a broken medical system. We have to participate in our own health. It’s a two way street. The more we rely on big pharma and white coats that write prescriptions, rather than doing what we need to do, the worse off our health is going to be. Maybe doctors can start writing prescriptions for Blue Zones. I would support that. But we can write our own prescription for healthy lives and help to build healthy communities around us. I hope it’s not too late.
Depression drugs are a huge money-maker for Big Pharma. I wonder if this category of drugs is a bigger money-making than Statins (the drugs which supposedly lower cholesterol)?
I just read that 35 percent of adults have been on those drugs ... and take those pills every single day. I'm starting to think these drugs do absolutely no good for 99.99 percent of people who pay for them. And the negative side effects must be immense as well.
I now believe Legal Pharma is the biggest criminal cartel in the history of the world.
I would not be surprised if this category of drugs reaps more profit than statins. Over 13 years ago now, when my son was 15 and suffered from depression he said to me (b/c I was refusing to give him an SSRI that the psychiatrist wanted him on), “mom, why can’t I just pop a pill like every other kid at school”. That was over 13 years ago, so how many teens now are on these meds? He is the reason I switched careers and became a nutritionist.
I believe one of the advantages to the class of drugs is that one molecular tweak here or there and you have a "whole new product" with a "whole new action," and a blockbuster if you can sell it. They are starting to run out of steam though, as people are waking up to withdrawal syndromes. Hence, vaccines. Who can refuse?
Since I came in contact with P. Breggin 35 years ago and a 10 years ago P. Götzsche I don’t use the term anti-depressants any more but depressants and.....anti-suicidal or anti-homicidal pills are in my vocabulary now fully understood as suicidal and homicidal pills.
I have to use the term everyone is familiar with. These article are so long that adding in those extra qualifiers makes it too hard for many to follow.
Yes, it's tedious to use the technically correct term - like neuroleptic - and then have to define it (so-called "anti-psychotic"). The decisions you make in writing are, trust me, excellent. You are clearly understood by a broad audience. Thank you (again and again)
Yes, I'm trying to spread (along with Breggins & others) the use of the term "neuroleptic" which is, anti-brain, for the "antipsychotic" class of drugs.
Fact is, most of them are neuroleptic, but the SSRI's/SNRI's/etc. are also "anti-body" since they affect so many systems.
But please call a spade a spade, my mother a quarter a century she was on psychotropics and I’ve seen her regressing from an animal from a monster into a zombie and at last into a plant. These pills when you don’t escape from the horror they cause, they lobotomize your frontal brain biochemically, so I can’t pretend any longer they eradicate your life there’s no other explanation for it. My wife has been on them and she was doing fine, until her psychiatrist told to increase the dose, I threw everything in the waste basket and swore by myself I’ll survive all the psychotic phases and make the best of it because I know healing comes in time slowly bit by bit and naturally even when some damage remains, she will get over these zombificators.
I am sorry for your mother. Sadly, these are the stories I witness regularly. Please ensure that your wife tapers. Psychosis after coming off the drugs is a very dangerous place. She can do it, though. Doc has a great article that talks about tapering, here: https://www.midwesterndoctor.com/p/why-are-antidepressants-so-harmful
In truth, "psychosis" or "psychotic states" are coping mechanisms (trauma, again). The inside and outside don't match, and so - the outside (other people) put pressure on you to "come back," but you need to resolve the inside first. The harder the push, the stronger the pressure, and explosions are possible. Our culture doesn't have the pieces in place to deal with these. And to those on the outside of them, they are frightening. What's going on in there doesn't make sense out here.
Maybe a tribal response would be to put the distressed in a hut at the edge of town, feed & care for them there. And wait. Maybe it would be banishment. I suspect that the incidences like your family are increasing because of the systemic disconnectedness of our society, culture, and lack of traditions.
Psychiatry = psych = spirit. What happens when the identity dissolves is a crisis of spirit, not of mind. Psychiatrists are priests of labels and drugs. All of these cut you off from spirit.
In the 1800's, early 1900's, in US & UK, the Quakers kept houses for the distressed. The "episodes" were usually one-off, happened once & got better. Not this chronic drugged business. You stay in a clean bed, rest, nutritious meals. As you feel better, you contribute to the upkeep of the house & garden, get outside, fresh air & physical work. People listen, and do not judge. It was up to you to work it out. But most people did, and left, and went back & restarted their lives.
"Group Homes" were an attempt to recreate that, but doing anything at a corporate level has it's problems.
Neuroleptic is the closest word I've found. "Against brain."
Long before P. Breggin published his book Toxic Psychiatry, I talk about 61 years ago I was 11 when I first read a book about psychiatry Dr. Vandenbergh Psychiatry part 1 &2, now I’m 72 so I followed a long road. In the seventies I went to India to a mystic school, strange very strange 70% of the students were psychologists, psychiatrists, social workers, more than 50% were jews(!), why were so many there and looking for a meaning going deeper than psychology, could the mystic in life be the ultimate answer?
Keep in mind (?) we have become painfully and out of context intelligent but life is whole meaning you’re a mineral, vegetable, animal, humanoid, gifted with intelligence and beyond godly potential, many never actualise their potential.
Thanks for your comment on this. Our culture doesn’t have the pieces in place to deal with these you said, and following heavy words like banishment, disconnectedness, identity crisis or uprooting, culture and society alienation....All these not of the mind? Where the hell did you get these “truths”? You talk about the soul, my goodness is there still a place for it? In this whole debacle of universal life saving C19 V miracle....the soul censored, raped, trampled, banned, forbidden,.. The dark night of the soul as a natural phase in the evolution of the individual, but in these times, modern technocracy the soul is no longer existent, it has left us we are all orphans. In eastern religions, in Sufism they talk about “masts” people of the desert looking for on oase, in Zen the rivers and trees are no longer trees and rivers until you see them again they have never left you. I’m living in Polynesia, and when your soul gets into a crisis “Fiu” sounds like Fiyou, you’re left on your own, no therapy no analysis until by natural going through this cleansing process you have found your way back but never again as the same. I lost my soul here 45 years ago and I’ve never want to go back, that’s impossible and my message for as far as I have one, and there are ears to listen hope never leaves you, but for our modern culture and hightech society the chances to reconnect are complicated, for many rowing upstream.
Is he a "doctor"? Or just a scientist? I thought I heard he never did internship to practice, but hey, this is the wild west internet. It might have been a mean meme.
In the last 10 years I went to the doc 3 times, the first 2 for a rash and the last for an ear infection. The first 2 were misdiagnosed and the last one (at the new doc) she refused to treat me because it was a 'self-inflicted' illness (she assumed I had gone swimming without ear dops - I had not been swimming for 12 years). She wanted to put me on 3 forever meds instead. Failure 100%
20 years ago I underwent surgery that left me with chronic neuropathic pain. The memory of the number of doctors that gaslighted me and treated me like a drug seeker is still very much with me. I was a physician caught up in this nightmare, and was afraid to confront these doctors because I needed their help. In the end, I was the only person that I could count on to get me through that. I had to do my own research to discover the best things to help me. I still feel betrayed by my own profession
"Being able to genuinely recognize this and respectfully treat the physician you see as a fellow human being is one of the most effective strategies for initiating a collaborative doctor-patient relationship."
My take on this is likely to rile some folks up, so here we go...no sugar-coating.
This is a common human problem-egos and hubris exceeding the size of Manhattan. The root cause is a deep-seated insecurity. It's not my task to figure out why these folks are so insecure.
The typical medical doctor's attitude. "I am the expert here, not you. Please play your designated role as a patient, you rube! I am a trained medical doctor and you are a mere mortal."
The message is as follows; DO NOT under any circumstances question my expertise or authority. I am seriously not at all interested in your thoughts, opinions or feelings. Let me get through this damn check list and move on. I have oodles of money to churn through the system today.
This has always been my experience with every doctor I have ever had the unfortunate happenstance to employ. Maybe I have been unlucky, but I seriously doubt it. Perhaps if medical doctors (this includes dentists-on steroids!) tried acting like normal human beings we might have a fighting chance of establishing a collaborative patient/doctor relationship.
How about you doctors/dentists get off your unearned high horse!
Let me be very clear. This experience has only been with doctor's and dentists that I have employed. This in no way pertains to doctors (never met a dentist worth an intelligent conversation) I have met, in general. In the last year, I have met many prominent docs in the medical freedom movement (of which I am very involved in as an independent writer) that are professional, kind, intelligent, open to having a debate/conversation, etc. I suspect they are just like you doc-AMD.
Just my 60 cents for today.
Thank you, as always for your excellent analysis Doc!
Not sure if you did.... decades ago I worked in a pharmacy and we sorted the drs by either Major or Minor deities... if the pharmacist had to verify an incomprehensible script with the dr there was always a bit of angst if it was a Major one.
Thank you for acknowledging this widespread but overlooked aspect of medical practice. As an ophthalmologist who truly believed in my medical training to listen to the patient and try to understand root causes, I am appalled by the protocol-driven approach of most physicians today. If you just listen with an open mind, you can help people so much more effectively. I vividly recall a patient who presented with bilateral sloughing of the corneal epithelium, an intensely painful and rare condition. On taking the history, I discovered that she had started on a fluoroquinolone for sinus infection 2 days before. The same interference with collagen that results in tendon rupture resulted in her ocular condition. When I searched the literature there were case reports of this in a couple of obscure journals, but nothing in the online entries on the drugs themselves. I reported it to the drug reaction database, but no one will ever know about it. The patient took weeks to heal and months to recover normal vision. But the party line will continue to be that this was unrelated to the drug.
I really appreciate you sharing this. Given everything else I know about fluoroquionolones that makes sense...but...wow
Fully agree on taking the history. It's really surprising how much of a lost art that's become since there isn't time for it in insurance based billing for visits.
I've found ophthalmologists hesitant to look at drugs contributing to retinal tearing (in my case), dry-eye, blurred vision (in the case of active psych drugs, esp lyrica & neuroleptics) - they don't look at it. They are not trained to connect drug damage to the eyes - and the eyes are one of the sensitive places where you can pick up on this damage.
You are correct unfortunately. Many drugs contribute to dry eyes. And whenever a patient has unexplained vision changes, asking about recent changes in medicines is thhe first thing I do. I observed several patients who had unexplained documented reduced visual acuity who had recently started on proton pump inhibitors. In all but one case vision returned to normal within a few weeks of stopping the medication. One improved a bit but never got back to her original level of vision.
Who here is old enough to remember the gaslighting of the Vietnam vets returning from the war?
Tons of vets returning from the jungles of Vietnam were seriously illwith organ damage, strange body rashes, and so on. Many died in the ensuing years. The government position was that for almost all cases, the cause was psychosomatic illness". IOW, the patient was typically told that his/her symptoms were due to the stress and the trauma of the war experience.
Many patients pushed back, saying that their injuries were due to deployment of toxic exfoliant "agent Orange" while in Vietnam. (Think of the herbicide "Round-Up" on steroids.) Agent orange was deployed in large amounts and inevitably landed on, and was inhaled by, naive but trusting veterans.
But the government position, upheld by physicians, was staunchly that those strange and devastating war injuries had nothing to do with Agent Orange. Strictly "all in the head".
Fast forward to about the year 2000 (maybe even earlier), by which time many vets had already died of those "psychosomatic" injuries. In the news, there was a discreet announcement allowing as how "probably agent orange was the reason for all of those war injuries". I don't remember any mainstream news source announcing this, although some might have (but I doubt it). In fact, it wasn't until the suppression of all the C-19 vax injury stories that I thought about revisiting the Agent Orange story, to see whatever became of it.
I would welcome your discussion of this Agent Orange spraying in the US. Also, I would like to hear your opinion and assessment, if known, surrounding the constant spraying known as “chem trails”.
I was damaged by 24d, 245T and dioxin (same stuff) in the mid 70's on a farm in NZ and it was seeing the stories of "agent orange" that made me realize what had happened to me.
The doc accused me of being a junkie and I was that naïve I didn't even know what one was. Only learned to trust a couple of good doctors in the last year, as I hadn't had one since the 70's.
The military has some of the absolute best gas lighting stories. Vietnam to Iraq & Afghanistan, they don’t tell the truth and cover our vets issues until they are backed in a corner and forced to tell the truth. Disgraceful way to treat our vets.
Merry Christmas to you and all the FLCCC doctors, you are all godsends and counter weights to the utterly immersive insane engulfment of the earth by pharma.
Too many people I know personally have recently been gaslighted and fobbed off with a non-diagnosis. Functional Neurological Disorder seems to be the current favourite and cardiac damage in the proven absence of coronary artery narrowing is merely attributed to stress. Arrhythmias are treated with ablation therapy or a pacemaker with no suggestion as to what could have triggered the problem. Too few doctors are prepared to entertain the possibility that the vaccine has quite probably caused the problem. Worse still some have recommended further boosters which have or will almost certainly in the future compound the problems. As a retired doctor I find it extremely difficult to see friends and family treated in this way and yet most of them still believe their doctors implicitly and fail to consider the possibility of vaccine damage.
I have met morgellon's patients. You can often treat it with ivermectin or lyme protocols. Best theory I've seen so far is that it's a related spirochete.
The big shame with it is that dermatologists (who always end up getting these patients) are convinced it's psychiatric and are very mean to these patients.
Its great that you acknowledge it Doc. Lucky patients.
Being the one who came up wit the idea to do the mass screening at the NZ doctors conference and holding the samples I can say with confidence that Clifford Carnicom ( carncom institute) is correct and we are now all infected with Cross Domain Bacteria AKA morgellons.
The ivermectin doesn't work on these so far as I have seen.
Nobody I have challenged to do the proper testing has not found them in the last 6 months, and when aware of the full progression of the technology all want it removed..
For me now I see the jab as the perfect red herring to cover up what has really been done to us all. Jabbed or not.
Dr. David Nixon & Dr. Anna Mihaelcea seem to think that the nanotech is 'plastic' and inorganic - so normal organics don't work for them.
Based on their advice, I've resorted to a trial of borax (coupla months now) - just put some in a salt shaker and "salt" my water. Tiny amounts, regularly. Seems to be good, safe.
I'm now adding a trial of colloidal gold. As I understand it, you do the gold in "cleansing courses," every so often. I'm going to try a month.
I can't say I feel any less like a robot. Been taking IVM prophylactically for 2 years now. I'm not saying I ever did feel like a robot - but I sure see a lot of robotic people around... I just saw too many videos, and can't really get to a live blood analysis specialist. The Glutathione IV people will come to my house at $600 a pop - that's really out of reach for me (they said they will be getting EDTA soon).
Dr. Nixon says that the borax disables the "legs" of the thing, while the gold shuts down the chips. You still have the "garbage" in you, but it's at least no longer transmitting, or growing, or whatever it is that stuff does.
And yes, it's in all of us. Dr. Anna Mihalcea's practice seems to have focus on Morgellons, which is how this came to her attention.
I think it is even worse. It has almost been 15 years since my husband committed suicide (on one of these psych drugs) but I still wonder now and then what would have happened had I just tried St Johns wort, which works so well for me. He might still be alive.
I do my best to spread the word wide that the psych drugs are no good. He had been on several. Prozac and Abilify for sure. I don't remember the name of the other one. And the doc DID gaslight indeed, although I did not know the term back then, and NEVER listened to what we said. He was angry at me because I interrupted him. My husband had lost so much weight I was worried, even though he had been overweight. He waved it away.
Prozac+Abilify? Omg I was on that combo for about a week 20+ years ago when that combo was all the rage in the psy-pharma biz. It was terrifying. It took all my wits to keep myself grounded while the Abilify wore off. And I thought the SNRI was bad.
One would think psychiatric medicine wouldn’t evoke descriptors like Terrifying or Hellish but there it is
And a means of control. Inconvenient women? Easy...we have a pill for that. Someone is scary because they are professing a reality I cannot share? Yep, we've got a pill for that, too.
My direct personal experience is that the gaslighting often ropes in the patient in a kind of Stockholm Syndrome:
Me: You got much sicker right after [name of medical intervention].
Response: Oh, right, where did YOU go to medical school?
That white coat means wisdom, and the way your body is screaming at you must be a lie. I've seen this several times, now, up close and personal, in ways that seemed shockingly obvious. I'm always particularly fascinated by the maneuver of "we don't know what's causing it, but here's the list of medications we're adding to treat it." Sounds good, doctor.
There's just a portion of the population that won't get off the ride, no matter where it takes them. "These are the experts, Chris."
This is a really great point I forgot to mention; I'm pinning your comment.
A life spent around high level scientists has cured me of scientist worship.
Yes,
At times, when fully bored, and in need of a laugh, I tune into a TV show called, "How the Universe Works," for as long as my endurance allows. The "scientists" (no more than a dozen regulars) all parrot the same things, supposedly substantiating the posited theories, in hopes to make them appear less ridiculous. Sometimes it's no more than 2 minutes and that's all I can take of their nauseating attempts of persuasion. Once they emphatically point to exactly what happened 3.7 billion years ago, I'm OUT OF THERE!
Ray
If everyone repeats something, that tends to make me more rather than less suspicious of it. My brain's always worked that way but it's not typical.
Yes, the narrative, being fueled by the propaganda machine, leaves a discernable trace of evidence in that regard. Someone posted a collage to that end, and it's quite unsettling to think that the masses didn't notice its choreography.
Thanks Doc
ray
I wrote a song about the C19 debacle and you might like my lyrics:
Verse 1:
They want you to believe ,
Their cleverly packaged evil lies
But I think I can see, Yes I know that I can see
Through that humanitarian disguise
That the actual plan in mind
Is for your soul to die
Chorus
Verse 2:
They stack their message deck
Debate and discussion is put in check
The narrative that’s authorized, Yes the the narrative that’s authorized
Gets fear and panic mobilized
The truth, the data and the acts
Must not survive intact
Verse 3:
They’ve tried to co-opt my mind
To make me intellectually blind
But I say to them in kind, Yes I say to them in kind
Satan you better get Behind
For your talisman of security
Can’t stand in for God’s Liberty
Chorus:
Are you gonna cave
To their despotic wills
Driven by their wicked and sordid sinful ills
Or are you gonna take a stand, fight for what’s right
Or are ya gonna be
The coward man
I wrote it in September of 2020…
The echo chamber of messaging was like an arrow piercing my
Mind and gut informing me that this was not an above board operation but a well planned coordinated effort….
My music can be heard on YouTube etc. as well as my website
HTTPS:// tung-carbide.com
I am currently working on a slightly different version of this song….
Sukey Watson-Thomas ( aka the frugal frau who isn’t all that young either )
When the cv19 crisis was announced by trump, I saw through it and knew it was all a setup. I can only thank the Lord for the eyes of my understanding that alerted me. Then when the mandates were forced on everyone, I thought I was gonna lose my job because I was definately not going to take the jab. Well low and behold, my employer put no pressure on the staff to take the jab although more than half at work did volunteer to. Eventually, I never wore that stupid mask at work anymore. The Lord is good to His children.
Wait, is this to the tune "Tell me lies" by Fleetwood Mac? That would be so awesome.
Agreed. When I think I understand something in a novel way, start to look for evidence that it is NOT true.
Suggested reply to said question:
“How much of your medical schooling was spent studying my particular condition? And how do you suppose that stacks up against my 60 years of living in this body and knowing when something is wrong?”
In other words, sayonara doc, take your condescending attitude and shove it up your ample backside.
Watch the first video here:
https://www.midwesterndoctor.com/p/why-does-the-government-cover-up
And take not about the comment regarding physicians suffering from a remarkable "discipline conceit" where they often think they know things far beyond their training.
Or even further.
How many days did you study adverse effects from jabs doc. Really, only the one day where they told you what to give and when?
Gee, I now have about 1000 hours more experience than you.
What would you be interested in learning today Sir.
I’m +- 3000 hours of research on this “crap”…Can You beat Me? 🏴☠️Very Best, Ed
Edit - My Lovely Bride calls Me obsessive.😁, Ed
Hi Ed,
Similar and just a tad more , I did add it up one day. I have gone from telling all not to let them put a band aid on you 3 years ago, to working with some of the finest people I have ever met.
Up to 16 hrs a day looking at what has been done to us all under a microscope. There is now very little difference in the blood of the jabbed / unjabbed and it only is good now where people are aware and doing something about it.
Microscopes don't lie.
Become hard to kill.
I think We would get along just fine!!! When We “lost” a P.A., I did 16- 100 hour weeks in a row…That destroyed Me. That being said, I was not going to let People/Patients down. 😁🔥🏴☠️, Ed
I get that often: "and you got your MD from...?". All I can say in answer is that I can think and read and observe.
Not this portion. I've fired five cardiologists, each of which wanted me on some brand and dosage of a statin and each, different for each one, also wanted me on some other pharma. But none would talk with me about the discredited fat/cholesterol hypothesis, none would discuss inflammatory markers, diet, or alternative. I don't have a cardiologist these days.
Would you mind giving a real-world example where this happened to you (a medical intervention making you worse and a doctor disbelieving you)? I’m very curious.
Here’s mine. Condensed version. 2010-2011. I was ‘sick’ most of the time, upper respiratory, got pneumonia, lost a lot of weight. 2012 I developed severe facial pain, between that and the constant sickness as described I developed pretty severe anxiety. I knew something was wrong that the wizards were missing, and that I couldn’t solve on my own. Not coming up with anything my doctor did what doctors do when they can’t figure it out. Sent me to a shrink. By that time I had experienced 3 years of illness and one year of pain. I was in pretty bad shape. Shrink took a family history (which included two suicides) and that was it. Within 6 months I was on multiple drugs. My health did not improve, but I felt there were no other options so I kept taking them because they dulled the pain. At some point I realized that I wasn’t nuts and I spent 2 miserable years getting off 4 of the 5 drugs. Then a chance encounter with a FNP planted a seed. Which led me to an oral facial pain clinic at a major university. Which resulted in a Dx of Maxillary Osteomyelitis (bone infection upper left quadrant). That led to two surgeries, 8 weeks on a PIC line and 6 months on an oral antibiotic. That was in 2018. Have not been sick since. Once the infection was eradicated everything got better. Still have some pain from nerve damage but it continues to improve. The surgeon told me that “someone else should have figured this out a long time ago”. I had seen at least 15 different doctors and dentists. They all exist in their little functional silos and never step back to look at the bigger picture.
5 years later and I’m still working on getting of the benzo. It’s a bitch but I have cut my dose by 75% over the past 18 months.
The bad part is I literally lost 6-7 years of my life. The good part is I learned never to trust anything told to me by anyone in the medical field. I had the Covid scam sniffed out by the end of February 2020 and was taking HCQ by mid March.
I could write a book about all the crap I went through and the massive amount of gaslighting that took place.
The surgeon told me that “someone else should have figured this out a long time ago”. I had seen at least 15 different doctors and dentists. They all exist in their little functional silos and never step back to look at the bigger picture.
This is such a common story in my line of work.
Thank you for the frank disclosures. That benefits countless others.
Before the Psychiatric fraud you might have looked elsewhere though by then you were likely desperate.
Not trying to blame the victim just pointing out the obvious.
Jaw cavitation (infection) is extremely common from root canals by ignorant specialist dentists. Some of us have known for 30 years.
They are directly responsible for chronic disablity and death. Highly unlikely that either profession, with the exception of the 5%, would have a clue.
You are welcome. Thx for the kind thoughts. I did spend many hours and lots of money looking everywhere and elsewhere. I knew something was very wrong, and countless times told the alleged professionals that they were missing something. And I resisted the “it’s all in your head” mantra for a long time. But eventually, just as you say, I got desperate and began to think maybe it was.
And on the dental issue, the cause (not certain, but this is the theory of the oral surgeon) was an implant that was drilled to deep, breached the bone into soft tissue, eventually got infected, resulting in a fistula that connected the apex of the tooth and my maxillary sinus. Since it was always infected, that it what made me sick. Antibiotics tamped it down, but it always came back. Then the infection eventually spread to the facial bones. It took years for all of that to occur.
And on the 5%, again yes. The doc who figured it out was both a general surgeon and an oral surgeon, which gave him a perspective others did not have.
Thank you for sharing. Can I add your comments to the post?
You are welcome. Absolutely.
I’ll bet the dental X-rays showed nothing. I’m in that battle right now, a 2nd molar extraction site to maxillary sinus issue. Four years and it always comes back and the fact that the tooth is long gone and X-rays show nothing apparently is proof of no problem despite flare ups of pain at that phantom focal point and headache+tinnitus on that side during flare ups. I have a pretty good idea of what’s going on, having studied some of the medical literature. The dismissiveness is infuriating. Six dentists. Actually had a dental student recommend a specialist who only takes cash but my budget is cut to the bone already, so to speak. Setting aside a little at a time.
When they say it’s all in your head, in a perverse way they are right.
Correct. X Rays showed nothing. Even worse, I had a cone beam done in 2013 by an oral surgeon who put in writing “no dental pathologies found” as he washed his hands of my case and referred me to an ENT. Later, I discovered that the vast majority of oral surgeons, implant specialists, root canal specialists who now have cone beam machines in their offices, receive very limited training. And the training they do get is focused on their specialty only and not on use as a diagnostic tool. When I finally found someone who actually cared, he reviewed my medical history and told me what he thought the problem was, before he ever looked at my scans. Then when he did look at them, he showed me all the things that were missed. Hiding in plain sight, is how he put it.
Prior to my first surgery he ordered a medical grade CT, saying that while a cone beam properly read is a great tool, it’s not even close to being good enough when one is going to go in and cut out a bunch of necrotic bone.
Not medical advice, the funding issue aside, and without knowing where you live I will say this. Like you I got absolutely nowhere for years, I suffered through multiple root canals, TMJ treatments, the psych drugs, depression, anxiety, ruined relationships and lots of pain. It wasn’t until I went to a “real” oral/facial pain clinic at a major university (UNC) that I found anyone who had a clue. It’s a slow process for sure, but if you have a University with an oral/facial pain clinic and a hospital dentistry program that is probably your best bet. I’ve been seen at UNC, IU, UM and none of them take insurance for the initial consult. But insurance did pay for my surgeries and all the follow up treatment.
If I can provide any info that might help let me know. I have much empathy for you, as it sounds so similar. The fistula that went into my maxillary sinus did not show on XRay, barely showed on the cone beam, but was obvious even to me on the medical grade CT.
Wishing you the best. Eric.
I’m just a layman, but the maxillofacial surgeon who extracted my tooth was one of the most pugnacious and pompous characters I have ever met in my life. And I don’t believe I had done anything to trigger him. I thought I must’ve done something to anger him as he nearly put his foot on my forehead for leverage while wrestling my tooth out.
Your "book" has a happy ending! Thank the Lord for that! Welcome back, friend!
What strikes me is the likelihood of medical treachery negatively affecting soooo many souls around the world that we never hear about. It's rightfully frightening, and so we thank you for willingly posting yours. It helps the readers by confirming suspicions.
Thank YOU!
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Thank you. That is very kind. As one of my only remaining friends likes to say
“I’m not exactly where I want to be, but I’m definitely not where I used to be”.
One interesting footnote. The doctor who figured it out and performed the two surgeries told me that it could take up to 10 years for the nerve damage to heal. He said it might never heal, although he expected I would eventually get some improvement. Furthermore, he said at a point around the 5 year period you will know. It was 5 years in July and damn if I didn’t start to see some significant changes in the amount and level of discomfort over the summer. To the point where I rarely think about it anymore. Well, I still think about it as I ended up having to lose multiple teeth and the implant, but I’m happy to take that over the pain and the zombie drugs.
Merry Christmas.
You can also speed up that recovery process with various regenerative therapies
Thanks. I did get a series of targeted injections and did physical therapy I do not know if any of it actually helped the healing process, but there was definitely psychological benefit. I can say that the improvement that has occurred over the past year has been quite astonishing. The fabulous Dr. who figured it out and cleaned it up was trained in Scotland. He was at UNC when I saw him, but he is now at IU…closer to you. LOL.
Not for everyone; but, HBOT. They stole My idea. The results can be impressive. I was unable to complete My original study/publish; but, 14/14 improvements in DSP (distal symmetrical polyneuropathy). As with anything, there can be side effects…like Life in general. 😂 Ed
More stories like this in Maya Dusenberry's "Doing Harm: The truth about how bad medicine and lazy science leave women dismissed, misdiagnosed and sick."
Apparently it happens more to women, because we have a tradition of "Hysteria" (thanks, Doc, for pointing out the mercury connection! I have a feeling that women's bodies might be more sensitive to mercury)
Thanks. I’ll check it out.
I wish You the Very Best, Ed
Thank you. As I wrote earlier, it’s been 5+ years since the surgery and in 2023 I have experienced significant improvement in the amount and level of discomfort from the damaged nerves. That has been an unexpected blessing and confirms, just like MW Doc frequently opines, that the body has amazing healing properties once the actual source of an issue is addressed.
Merry Christmas!
I am continually astounded by some of the issues I see improve after we find the cause of something a person had had for decades which seems permanent
Indeed. My story goes actually goes back decades. I had the tooth implant in 1995. Subsequent to that, I had multiple ‘sinus’ type infections every year. Prior to that I almost never got sick. I failed to make the connection, and as I wrote none of the numerous doctors or dentists I consulted did either. I was misdiagnosed with TGN, TMJ, Psychiatric issues, and more.
In the 5+ years since I had the surgeries and PIC therapy (Ertapenem daily for 8 weeks) I have only been ‘sick’ twice. Prior to getting it cleaned up I could get sick twice a month! I’ve also never had Covid, at least not that I know of. Definitely Unvaxxed!
Thanks for your comments. Merry Christmas.
I worked with Individuals in the Texas Workers’ Compensation system. Worst case, it took Me two Years to get them taken care of. Do not make Me angry when it comes to Human Beings/Well Beings. In the end, I will Indeed make you look Very Stupid. Ed
Edit - They called it Ed’s scathing medical reports. 🔥
Nice. Due to all of my health issues I was not able to work on any type of a regular schedule. I applied for disability in late 2012. I was a lawyer so I did it myself. Got denied. Appealed. Got denied again. Requested a hearing. At that point I retained the best disability attorney I knew. I wanted an in person hearing. I had to wait 3 years. We won our case in July 2017. It was a partial victory, as by then I had returned to some months of full time work. I was given a closed period award, for the 4 year period when I could not work more than a few hours per month. Lump sum, in excess of 100k. SSA refused to pay despite the judgement. I had to go back to court to get an order to force them to pay. All told it took 5+ years from start to finish. Persistence. Great lawyer. Solid case with massive documentation. All this took place in NC which is just about the most difficult state to win a case.
Sounds like we have something in common. I had the receipts and I was not going to give up. I also learned all about the really ugly side of the disability scam, and what goes on in rural church basements on the 3rd Sunday of every month. That knowledge just made me more determined.
Merry Christmas to you.
This would require me to discuss the illnesses and medical treatment of family members, which crosses a privacy line that shouldn't be crossed, and I knew that I was leaving those details out when I posted my original comment. But I suspect most of us have had similar experiences for comparison.
Indeed!!! Ed
Well you didn't ask me but I'll tell you: after an episode of AFib I got put on a beta blocker and rapidly got congested and couldn't breathe. The doctor should have known you don't give metoprolol to someone with asthma. When I call a day or two after starting it to tell him I couldn't breathe and ask if it were the med, he insisted on doing a stress test after admitting me to the hospital. Only after the test showed my heart is in good shape did he entertain the idea that the culprit was the metoprolol. The Eliquis I was given gradually crushed me over a period of a few months. I quit it on my own and told the doctor afterwards what happened. He said: I've never heard of that happening. I told him: You're hearing it now!
A lot of people do not do well on betablockers
I saw them turn my father in-law into a passive old guy. Before it was that advanced he told me that they made it impossible for him to get upset over anything! There's a term I found to describe what beta blockers do: "clouding the sensorium". Really a beautiful term for a sorry state.
Let's start with "bipolar disorder." SSRI's caused me to flip (along with a huge stressful divorce) to "bipolar." So that means different drugs (I refuse to call them medications, they don't medicate anything). When I complained that the depakote was giving me intentional tremors, and making me dopey and hampering my ability to work - the Psych NP insisted that if we increased the dose, it would resolve. I was in deep poverty, but had the clarity of mind to fire her, even though I couldn't afford a doctor. This is one tiny example, of which I've accumulated myriads since then. This was in the USA, 1990's. I also have dozens, maybe hundreds of similar cases on Surviving Antidepressants. It's a common, too-common story.
I gave up my academic career and trained to be a medical herbalist mostly because i didn't want anyone i loved to have to be treated by the NHS.
Medical herbalists are trained to take a full case history and perform a physical examination (a first appointment takes 60-90 minutes). We are taught to listen and to get a proper picture of the patient's lifestyle and diet. We build a timeline of when the problems started. We draw up differential and then a working diagnosis. We actually try and figure out the root cause.
Then we give herbal medicines that have been used successfully for millennia and which support the body in healing.
It's a much better model.
I am much like you- left healthcare and am a holistic and functional nutritionist and my approach is much like yours, focusing on the entire person with an individualized approach. I educate others to know how to take care of themselves without the dependence on allopathic medicine. Between a detailed initial assessment that you and I do and I can order a vast array of labs…we can identify underlying root causes and address them from a holistic approach. I just wish more people would start with us but instead many arrive at our doors when they realize what allopathic medicine has done to them. Continue the great work!
Amen to all that.
And yes, i so wish people would come to us first rather than last. We could save an awful lot of suffering.
We don't come to you (or many other alternative care practitioners) first because our insurance typically doesn't cover the treatment. And unfortunately, holistic/functional medicine practitioners--depending on the approach, type of treatment, number of office visits, etc.--aren't cheap for many of us. I spent a lot of money over the years on holistically/alternatively treating a couple of issues that never did get resolved. (They weren't resolved allopathically either, to be clear, but those failures cost me less out of pocket.)
I agree that, yes, insurance plays a huge role in where a person seeks treatment. I am sorry your issues never got resolved. I know as a practitioner that I take it very hard when a client is still suffering and I will spend a great deal of my own time trying to figure out what I am missing.
But I still view it as if people spend money on a holistic practitioner upfront a lot of downstream medical expenses may be avoided. Obviously this is not true for everyone such as your case. But I also encourage everyone to “interview” the practitioner first. For instance, here in Colorado, a person can take a 24 hour course and call themselves a nutritionist- hence, ask about their background, their experience and their specialty.
Yet people think nothing of spending thousands of dollars on vacations and “stuff” - keeping up with Jones’.
indeed, the insurance scam is the virus
Until people value health as they should it continues.
Further if one does not pay for a service, they tend not to value it.
I, self-supporting, never had the disposable income to spend thousands of dollars on "vacations and stuff", let alone "keeping up with the jones's". I spent a lot of what spare money I did have on alternative treatments for issues after the usual allopathic treatments didn't work. There may be individuals whose spending priorities don't consider "health" to be at the top of the list, but not everyone is that way. Just want to set the record straight.
24 hours.
Wow. My herbal medicine degree was 4 years full time plus 500 hours working supervised in a clinical practice
It was considerably more demanding than my PhD.
and as often as not it is not what you are missing, it is the false belief system of the afflicted...
My functional medicine doctor cost me around $8,000 and I still had the problems. A chance comment on a substack sent me on a direction that explains the 3 issues perfectly--all related to the type of food I was eating or not eating. (Ultra low carb). I’m ch@nging things up and my next labs in March hopefully tells another story. That will be my last visit if I myself have initiated change for the better and I feel good.
Sadly a lot of people in the alternative field aren't great either :(
That's true too.
It's best to find a good practitioner by personal recommendation.
wrong doc, clearly
It has become popular to advertise "Integrative medicine" "functional medicine"
holistic medine etc Unfortunately that guarantees nothing. Word of mouth is useful. A dentist scammer called his business the Whole Tooth, while he worked at 90mph doing as many root canals as possible. He knew were the $$$ was...
:(
indeed, it is very very sad
Dealing with a person several years removed from the insult.
The reprocussions are devastating.
where, auto correct got me again...
$8,000?!!
Wow US practitoners must charge an awful lot more than alternative practitioners in the UK.
Chinese medicine model: when you are sick, your doctor has failed. That's when you *don't* pay him. You pay him while you are well, to maintain you.
our system is sooo inhuman.
I believe that people don’t come to practitioners like yourself first, because 99% of people who seek medical care are heavily linked to that care being provided by their ‘health’ insurance, and they pay little to nothing to see a doctor. They don’t want to pay ‘out of pocket’ for care that they pay a monthly health insurance premium to receive.
I never had ‘health insurance’ for most of my adult life (am now 71), was a reasonably healthy person (no vaxxines since childhood or flu shots) and when I did seek out ‘healthcare’ it was through an alternative medicine practitioner like a chiropractor, acupuncturist or herbalist.
I still pay out of pocket for this type of ‘healthcare’ even though I had to get ‘socialized/subsidized Medicare health insurance’ when I turned 65. It is a Healthcare ‘Insurance’ that I feel totally sucks and I want no part of.
The insurance is only useful for standard lab work and emergencies.
As we know from Covid Scamdemic it was actually very very dangerous to present for emergency care. Blessings
I wish more people approached their health like you Frontera.
But when you break it down, a holistic practitioner is still providing more value for the time put in. An allopathic doctor typically spends only 7 minutes with a patient, interrupts before the patient has spoken for one minute, doesn’t listen long enough to determine what tests are needed and only looks at what is out of allopathic range on blood work- this is the complete opposite of what non-allopathic practitioners do.
I started out with a primary focus on mental health. It amazed me that people wouldn’t pay for me to identify root causes for their depression but even with insurance spent a lot of money seeing a therapist every week for years…with minimal improvement. Think of how much money they spent on that!
I think in the end, it doesn’t come down to just money but what takes the least amount of effort. A lot easier to pop pills than to stop buying fast food and start cooking.
Allopathy likes to pretend herbals aren’t “real.” A revelation to me was finding the “Plant Profiler” at the Sigma-Aldrich website. It lists a myriad of plants, their therapeutic chemical agents and lists a short bibliography of research papers on their efficacy in treatment. Kinda makes it obvious that herbals can be effective and that many pharmaceuticals are patentable synthetic versions of effective herbals.
So I tried to find the plant profiler. I last used it 8 or 9 years ago. It’s gone. Turns out Merck bought out sigma-Aldrich in 2015. I’m shocked, SHOCKED that a useful resource of that nature has been disappeared
Karen, I am new to your Substack...and love it. Much respect.
Thank you!
What you disclose is definitely true. Persons seeking help rarely entire the front door.
Nearly always they sneak in the back.
enter, auto spell check is maddening
It sends Me into a whole new dimension of “frustration”. Ed
the problem however is that as structured, the medical system can't give 90 minute visits to patients.
True.
I did some work for the NHS in a dermatology clinic (the doctors would send patients to us herbalists when they didn't respond well to the standard treatments aka steroids) and we were limited to 20 minute appointments.
We still achieved a lot.
Chinese medicine, too. They are able to move energy using needles, acupressure, chi kung and tai chi. Been using it since 1983 because it works where allopathic Western medicine is just slash, burn and poison. They have no answers a lot of the time.
Chinese medicine is often very helpful for chronic conditions.
It knocks out flus and COVID, too. In just days. And it helps prevent these as well. Took care of a sinus infection in about a day and a half, with the right herbs. Fixes tendinitis, arthritis, high blood pressure, varicose veins, urinary incontinence, anxiety, you name it-- they fix it.
Again, HBOT. Impressive results. Find a Physician that knows their “stuff”; but, I am headed there. At 57 My body has been, let’s just to say, put to the test. 🏴☠️ Ragnar Danneskjold, Ed
Sorry, but I don't speak Acronymese, so IMHO IDKWYTA.
Quick to prescribe, those allopathic drug-pushers are! Brings to mind a parallel situation: My old truck refused to idle. Brought it to a seasoned mechanic who did a specific test and then promptly said I need a new carburetor. Costing more than the value of the truck, I decided to get my hands dirty and possibly fix it myself. Like brain surgery, exposing the little brass idle jet was a headache, but finally unscrewed it and found a grain of sand obstructing the fuel flow. Removed it; put it all back together and viola!
But the thing always resonated with me to trust NOT those who have no "skin in the game" and are only protecting their reputation or occupation. There are NO existing oversight agencies to perform the duties we expect. So let us join the "herbalists" and depend on our "Victory Gardens" to accompany us to the land of the living with good health.
Eat plenty of phyto-chemically rich (plant) foods and be there for your grandkids!
Ray
this is a really good point: But the thing always resonated with me to trust NOT those who have no "skin in the game" and are only protecting their reputation or occupation
Yeah, unfortunately, it's systemic in our culture to place the all mighty dollar ahead of everything else. Bending or breaking moral laws seems to take on an (unintended) "collateral damage" stance; a position that is not defendable. God will judge, and it will not go well for them.
Ray
Forgot to say, "Pray a LOT with humility and faith"
I saw two idiots here in the London area. I just decided to fly back to the USA and pay cash to see a Physician I trust. Ed
Edit - He does give me “crap” about smoking. I’m like We all have our demons. I have three mountain bikes…Let’s see who gives up first. Come work with Me for a day…I have 4 chainsaws. Ha!
When we discuss socialized medical systems, a point I try to make over and over is how many patiens we see in the USA who were people who flew here from Europe.
The Algorithm is a harsh mistress, as well.
...and also people who made a quick trip over the border from Canada.
My cousin's wife is Canadian; they live in Canada. When the wife had pregnancy complications and needed timely treatment, they had to hop over the border to the U.S. to get it. Had they waited for an available opening in Canada, the ending might not have been so happy. Most Americans have no clue about what "healthcare for all" really means.
I just finished reading Lewis Thomas’ Lives of a Cell. There are several passages where he admits how dangerous vaccines are to the immune system. And this was taking place in the 40s and 50s
Can you summarize the book?
Sorry.. it was his “The Youngest Science “. It is a collection of essays, mostly autobiographical. There were a couple of places where he described his work on vaccines where he clearly stated that the problem was the damage to the immune system. I don’t have the book or I would quote it.
Survive... with all kinds of chronic ailments.... practically non-existent in UN-vaxxed children.... as documented by Dr Paul Thomas.
This is an amazing post. But… this is where my mind immediately goes on this subject. Diet and lifestyle is, in my mind, the root of the majority of anxiety and depression. The body and mind literally cannot function (especially the adrenals) without proper nutrients going in and while being flooded with environmental/diet toxins.
Also, when there is dysbiosis, the body produces massive amounts of toxins right inside itself that interfere with all sorts of essential bodily functions, including mood regulation.
I was having physical health issues in my 30s and finally realized that I was poisoning myself with a poor diet. I made this discovery after years of doctors visits and finding no real solutions. I finally had an epiphany, against my will because I wanted the doctors to have an easy answer. Begrudgingly at first, I made the necessary improvements (which was very inconvenient and difficult), and everything improved over time. Honestly, I went through several mourning periods when I had to give up junk food.
Before I changed my diet, I never thought of myself as anxious or depressed but after healing my body, the anxiety and depression that I was experiencing lifted. I was so used to feeling crappy that I thought it was normal.
Medication may mask symptoms (or make them worse in some cases) but it will never provide the body with what it actually needs, which is whole, unprocessed foods, good sleep, stress management, loving relationships, low levels of toxicity, etc.
I’m sure it’s possible that a person could have a very good diet and lifestyle (Although in my experience, many people believe their diet and lifestyle is better than it actually is) but until someone struggling with mental illness actually makes these changes for about a year, and they have to be meaningful changes, they would never have a baseline to see how they feel on a proper diet in order to adequately find a solution if something is still wrong moving forward.
My sister has been on SSRIs for decades. I worked with her for a long time and slowly she started eating well a little at a time. Eventually, she had made significant progress and was eating well consistently. And not surprisingly, she didn’t need the medication anymore. She was doing amazing. Then, summertime hit and she put all her kids in soccer and just sort of let go of all the good habits she had formed because she was busy. She eventually lost all the progress she had made and ended up going back on medication. She decided it was just too hard to eat well and make other good choices and has given up even trying. And her doctor assured her the medication has no negative affects and isn’t addictive. (Gasp!)
I have so much sympathy and empathy for her and anyone trying to make significant changes because our entire culture is stacked against us being healthy. Advertisements, the medical industrial complex, addictive convenience food, family traditions, learned helplessness, busy lives, stressful relationships, expensive food (not that all healthy food is expensive but some is)… it’s so much to overcome. But, if it is the answer, it simply is, difficult or not.
Now she has four children. Three of them for sure are on medication, maybe four. It breaks my heart.
Somehow we have to turn this ship around or we will have nearly 100% of the population chronically ill. We literally cannot have a functional society the way we are headed. We are reaching critical mass for the whole system to implode, which is what is happening with The Great Reset. Something has to change because it’s not financially possible to have a solvent system when more than half the population becomes so ill that they are unable to contribute. The Great Reset, in my mind, is a sort of controlled demolition so that we will all be under a bio-fascist state and we will eventually no longer have the ability to choose even the most simple of things for our own life, including what we eat. That’s my theory anyway.
But before the Great Reset is complete, we have a chance to make changes. It’s against all odds because this diet and lifestyle trap is happening to children before they even have a chance to decide what diet and lifestyle they want to follow because they are subject to whatever they are born into. Then they become adults who are in the system and already addicted and enslaved.
I find it so interesting that if you were to offer a child a cigarette, a glass of alcohol or illegal drugs, you would have your children taken away. But if you feed your children pizza, soda, ice cream, chips, chicken nuggets, mac-n-cheese, donuts, and breakfast cereal, you are known as the “cool parent”. And then as a society, we are surprised that our children have the highest rates of anxiety and depression ever even imagined. And we give them medication for it.
I guess why I’m rambling on is that we first make ourselves and our children ill by eating a diet that would probably be illegal to feed a pet because it’s so awful, then we go to the doctor to find a fix. What is the medical community supposed to do to fix that? Of course corruption and gaslighting is the general course of action because they don’t actually have any way to address what is really wrong. They have nothing else to offer because it’s not a case of a ‘lack of medicine’ that ails us.
Sorry for the meandering rant but I don’t think it’s just a broken medical system. We have to participate in our own health. It’s a two way street. The more we rely on big pharma and white coats that write prescriptions, rather than doing what we need to do, the worse off our health is going to be. Maybe doctors can start writing prescriptions for Blue Zones. I would support that. But we can write our own prescription for healthy lives and help to build healthy communities around us. I hope it’s not too late.
That's so sad :(
Depression drugs are a huge money-maker for Big Pharma. I wonder if this category of drugs is a bigger money-making than Statins (the drugs which supposedly lower cholesterol)?
I just read that 35 percent of adults have been on those drugs ... and take those pills every single day. I'm starting to think these drugs do absolutely no good for 99.99 percent of people who pay for them. And the negative side effects must be immense as well.
I now believe Legal Pharma is the biggest criminal cartel in the history of the world.
"Vaccines" just add to this.
I would not be surprised if this category of drugs reaps more profit than statins. Over 13 years ago now, when my son was 15 and suffered from depression he said to me (b/c I was refusing to give him an SSRI that the psychiatrist wanted him on), “mom, why can’t I just pop a pill like every other kid at school”. That was over 13 years ago, so how many teens now are on these meds? He is the reason I switched careers and became a nutritionist.
In the last year I have seen the contamination of pharmaceuticals go from a minority to a majority and now treat all as such until proven otherwise.
I think they are comparable but it becomes a question of deciding which resources you trust for each market value and how "psychiatric is defined."
Statins are the number one pharmaceutical in the USA.
Do you know what drug is #2? I’m curious.
I believe one of the advantages to the class of drugs is that one molecular tweak here or there and you have a "whole new product" with a "whole new action," and a blockbuster if you can sell it. They are starting to run out of steam though, as people are waking up to withdrawal syndromes. Hence, vaccines. Who can refuse?
Since I came in contact with P. Breggin 35 years ago and a 10 years ago P. Götzsche I don’t use the term anti-depressants any more but depressants and.....anti-suicidal or anti-homicidal pills are in my vocabulary now fully understood as suicidal and homicidal pills.
I have to use the term everyone is familiar with. These article are so long that adding in those extra qualifiers makes it too hard for many to follow.
Yes, it's tedious to use the technically correct term - like neuroleptic - and then have to define it (so-called "anti-psychotic"). The decisions you make in writing are, trust me, excellent. You are clearly understood by a broad audience. Thank you (again and again)
Yes, I'm trying to spread (along with Breggins & others) the use of the term "neuroleptic" which is, anti-brain, for the "antipsychotic" class of drugs.
Fact is, most of them are neuroleptic, but the SSRI's/SNRI's/etc. are also "anti-body" since they affect so many systems.
But please call a spade a spade, my mother a quarter a century she was on psychotropics and I’ve seen her regressing from an animal from a monster into a zombie and at last into a plant. These pills when you don’t escape from the horror they cause, they lobotomize your frontal brain biochemically, so I can’t pretend any longer they eradicate your life there’s no other explanation for it. My wife has been on them and she was doing fine, until her psychiatrist told to increase the dose, I threw everything in the waste basket and swore by myself I’ll survive all the psychotic phases and make the best of it because I know healing comes in time slowly bit by bit and naturally even when some damage remains, she will get over these zombificators.
I am sorry for your mother. Sadly, these are the stories I witness regularly. Please ensure that your wife tapers. Psychosis after coming off the drugs is a very dangerous place. She can do it, though. Doc has a great article that talks about tapering, here: https://www.midwesterndoctor.com/p/why-are-antidepressants-so-harmful
In truth, "psychosis" or "psychotic states" are coping mechanisms (trauma, again). The inside and outside don't match, and so - the outside (other people) put pressure on you to "come back," but you need to resolve the inside first. The harder the push, the stronger the pressure, and explosions are possible. Our culture doesn't have the pieces in place to deal with these. And to those on the outside of them, they are frightening. What's going on in there doesn't make sense out here.
Maybe a tribal response would be to put the distressed in a hut at the edge of town, feed & care for them there. And wait. Maybe it would be banishment. I suspect that the incidences like your family are increasing because of the systemic disconnectedness of our society, culture, and lack of traditions.
Psychiatry = psych = spirit. What happens when the identity dissolves is a crisis of spirit, not of mind. Psychiatrists are priests of labels and drugs. All of these cut you off from spirit.
In the 1800's, early 1900's, in US & UK, the Quakers kept houses for the distressed. The "episodes" were usually one-off, happened once & got better. Not this chronic drugged business. You stay in a clean bed, rest, nutritious meals. As you feel better, you contribute to the upkeep of the house & garden, get outside, fresh air & physical work. People listen, and do not judge. It was up to you to work it out. But most people did, and left, and went back & restarted their lives.
"Group Homes" were an attempt to recreate that, but doing anything at a corporate level has it's problems.
Neuroleptic is the closest word I've found. "Against brain."
Long before P. Breggin published his book Toxic Psychiatry, I talk about 61 years ago I was 11 when I first read a book about psychiatry Dr. Vandenbergh Psychiatry part 1 &2, now I’m 72 so I followed a long road. In the seventies I went to India to a mystic school, strange very strange 70% of the students were psychologists, psychiatrists, social workers, more than 50% were jews(!), why were so many there and looking for a meaning going deeper than psychology, could the mystic in life be the ultimate answer?
I wish I had the source of this quote (Krishnamurti? Sorry, unsure)
Mystics and schizophrenics swim in the same waters.
But the mystics learn to swim, and the "schizophrenics" are frequently straitjacketed by drugs - how can you learn to swim in a straitjacket?
Going within and resolving your inner life is an essential piece, and why so many fail to escape psychiatry.
Keep in mind (?) we have become painfully and out of context intelligent but life is whole meaning you’re a mineral, vegetable, animal, humanoid, gifted with intelligence and beyond godly potential, many never actualise their potential.
Thanks for your comment on this. Our culture doesn’t have the pieces in place to deal with these you said, and following heavy words like banishment, disconnectedness, identity crisis or uprooting, culture and society alienation....All these not of the mind? Where the hell did you get these “truths”? You talk about the soul, my goodness is there still a place for it? In this whole debacle of universal life saving C19 V miracle....the soul censored, raped, trampled, banned, forbidden,.. The dark night of the soul as a natural phase in the evolution of the individual, but in these times, modern technocracy the soul is no longer existent, it has left us we are all orphans. In eastern religions, in Sufism they talk about “masts” people of the desert looking for on oase, in Zen the rivers and trees are no longer trees and rivers until you see them again they have never left you. I’m living in Polynesia, and when your soul gets into a crisis “Fiu” sounds like Fiyou, you’re left on your own, no therapy no analysis until by natural going through this cleansing process you have found your way back but never again as the same. I lost my soul here 45 years ago and I’ve never want to go back, that’s impossible and my message for as far as I have one, and there are ears to listen hope never leaves you, but for our modern culture and hightech society the chances to reconnect are complicated, for many rowing upstream.
Incredible analysis. What % of doctors in America can we trust to follow the Hippocratic oath? Does naming and shaming help expose the bad apples?
Here’s a short list of the worst doctors in America: https://yuribezmenov.substack.com/p/how-to-do-no-harm-part-2
Is Fauci in that list? ;)
Is he a "doctor"? Or just a scientist? I thought I heard he never did internship to practice, but hey, this is the wild west internet. It might have been a mean meme.
In the last 10 years I went to the doc 3 times, the first 2 for a rash and the last for an ear infection. The first 2 were misdiagnosed and the last one (at the new doc) she refused to treat me because it was a 'self-inflicted' illness (she assumed I had gone swimming without ear dops - I had not been swimming for 12 years). She wanted to put me on 3 forever meds instead. Failure 100%
She might need to be put on your list.
20 years ago I underwent surgery that left me with chronic neuropathic pain. The memory of the number of doctors that gaslighted me and treated me like a drug seeker is still very much with me. I was a physician caught up in this nightmare, and was afraid to confront these doctors because I needed their help. In the end, I was the only person that I could count on to get me through that. I had to do my own research to discover the best things to help me. I still feel betrayed by my own profession
That is a common way doctors get red-pilled.
"Being able to genuinely recognize this and respectfully treat the physician you see as a fellow human being is one of the most effective strategies for initiating a collaborative doctor-patient relationship."
My take on this is likely to rile some folks up, so here we go...no sugar-coating.
This is a common human problem-egos and hubris exceeding the size of Manhattan. The root cause is a deep-seated insecurity. It's not my task to figure out why these folks are so insecure.
The typical medical doctor's attitude. "I am the expert here, not you. Please play your designated role as a patient, you rube! I am a trained medical doctor and you are a mere mortal."
The message is as follows; DO NOT under any circumstances question my expertise or authority. I am seriously not at all interested in your thoughts, opinions or feelings. Let me get through this damn check list and move on. I have oodles of money to churn through the system today.
This has always been my experience with every doctor I have ever had the unfortunate happenstance to employ. Maybe I have been unlucky, but I seriously doubt it. Perhaps if medical doctors (this includes dentists-on steroids!) tried acting like normal human beings we might have a fighting chance of establishing a collaborative patient/doctor relationship.
How about you doctors/dentists get off your unearned high horse!
Let me be very clear. This experience has only been with doctor's and dentists that I have employed. This in no way pertains to doctors (never met a dentist worth an intelligent conversation) I have met, in general. In the last year, I have met many prominent docs in the medical freedom movement (of which I am very involved in as an independent writer) that are professional, kind, intelligent, open to having a debate/conversation, etc. I suspect they are just like you doc-AMD.
Just my 60 cents for today.
Thank you, as always for your excellent analysis Doc!
Thank you. People being insecure when challeneged is always a huge tell for me.
You weren't aware that MD stands for Major Deity? That's why you are expected to bow in obedience ;)
Did I post that one on here before?
Not sure if you did.... decades ago I worked in a pharmacy and we sorted the drs by either Major or Minor deities... if the pharmacist had to verify an incomprehensible script with the dr there was always a bit of angst if it was a Major one.
I believe in no man! That is very funny though. Hahaha 🤣
Thank you for acknowledging this widespread but overlooked aspect of medical practice. As an ophthalmologist who truly believed in my medical training to listen to the patient and try to understand root causes, I am appalled by the protocol-driven approach of most physicians today. If you just listen with an open mind, you can help people so much more effectively. I vividly recall a patient who presented with bilateral sloughing of the corneal epithelium, an intensely painful and rare condition. On taking the history, I discovered that she had started on a fluoroquinolone for sinus infection 2 days before. The same interference with collagen that results in tendon rupture resulted in her ocular condition. When I searched the literature there were case reports of this in a couple of obscure journals, but nothing in the online entries on the drugs themselves. I reported it to the drug reaction database, but no one will ever know about it. The patient took weeks to heal and months to recover normal vision. But the party line will continue to be that this was unrelated to the drug.
I really appreciate you sharing this. Given everything else I know about fluoroquionolones that makes sense...but...wow
Fully agree on taking the history. It's really surprising how much of a lost art that's become since there isn't time for it in insurance based billing for visits.
I've found ophthalmologists hesitant to look at drugs contributing to retinal tearing (in my case), dry-eye, blurred vision (in the case of active psych drugs, esp lyrica & neuroleptics) - they don't look at it. They are not trained to connect drug damage to the eyes - and the eyes are one of the sensitive places where you can pick up on this damage.
You are correct unfortunately. Many drugs contribute to dry eyes. And whenever a patient has unexplained vision changes, asking about recent changes in medicines is thhe first thing I do. I observed several patients who had unexplained documented reduced visual acuity who had recently started on proton pump inhibitors. In all but one case vision returned to normal within a few weeks of stopping the medication. One improved a bit but never got back to her original level of vision.
Who here is old enough to remember the gaslighting of the Vietnam vets returning from the war?
Tons of vets returning from the jungles of Vietnam were seriously illwith organ damage, strange body rashes, and so on. Many died in the ensuing years. The government position was that for almost all cases, the cause was psychosomatic illness". IOW, the patient was typically told that his/her symptoms were due to the stress and the trauma of the war experience.
Many patients pushed back, saying that their injuries were due to deployment of toxic exfoliant "agent Orange" while in Vietnam. (Think of the herbicide "Round-Up" on steroids.) Agent orange was deployed in large amounts and inevitably landed on, and was inhaled by, naive but trusting veterans.
But the government position, upheld by physicians, was staunchly that those strange and devastating war injuries had nothing to do with Agent Orange. Strictly "all in the head".
Fast forward to about the year 2000 (maybe even earlier), by which time many vets had already died of those "psychosomatic" injuries. In the news, there was a discreet announcement allowing as how "probably agent orange was the reason for all of those war injuries". I don't remember any mainstream news source announcing this, although some might have (but I doubt it). In fact, it wasn't until the suppression of all the C-19 vax injury stories that I thought about revisiting the Agent Orange story, to see whatever became of it.
Anyway, stellar example of gaslighting.
I need to write about that topic at some point. Something less known is that the US also sprayed it within the USA and sickened people here too.
I would welcome your discussion of this Agent Orange spraying in the US. Also, I would like to hear your opinion and assessment, if known, surrounding the constant spraying known as “chem trails”.
I was damaged by 24d, 245T and dioxin (same stuff) in the mid 70's on a farm in NZ and it was seeing the stories of "agent orange" that made me realize what had happened to me.
The doc accused me of being a junkie and I was that naïve I didn't even know what one was. Only learned to trust a couple of good doctors in the last year, as I hadn't had one since the 70's.
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The military has some of the absolute best gas lighting stories. Vietnam to Iraq & Afghanistan, they don’t tell the truth and cover our vets issues until they are backed in a corner and forced to tell the truth. Disgraceful way to treat our vets.
Don't forget the Gulf War
Merry Christmas to you and all the FLCCC doctors, you are all godsends and counter weights to the utterly immersive insane engulfment of the earth by pharma.
Thank you.
Too many people I know personally have recently been gaslighted and fobbed off with a non-diagnosis. Functional Neurological Disorder seems to be the current favourite and cardiac damage in the proven absence of coronary artery narrowing is merely attributed to stress. Arrhythmias are treated with ablation therapy or a pacemaker with no suggestion as to what could have triggered the problem. Too few doctors are prepared to entertain the possibility that the vaccine has quite probably caused the problem. Worse still some have recommended further boosters which have or will almost certainly in the future compound the problems. As a retired doctor I find it extremely difficult to see friends and family treated in this way and yet most of them still believe their doctors implicitly and fail to consider the possibility of vaccine damage.
FND is very frustrating so I've written quite a few articles about it on here.
I've read quite a few - focusing on women - in "Doing Harm" by Maya Dusenbery.
I opened the book for the antidepressants - and found myself in the realm of gaslighting.
She has a balanced perspective - says many of the same things you do about how doctors fall into these patterns.
Morgellons, that we all have now is the best example.
Delusional Parasitosis is not diagnosed anymore by the doctors who I have shown that they too have it.
I have met morgellon's patients. You can often treat it with ivermectin or lyme protocols. Best theory I've seen so far is that it's a related spirochete.
The big shame with it is that dermatologists (who always end up getting these patients) are convinced it's psychiatric and are very mean to these patients.
Its great that you acknowledge it Doc. Lucky patients.
Being the one who came up wit the idea to do the mass screening at the NZ doctors conference and holding the samples I can say with confidence that Clifford Carnicom ( carncom institute) is correct and we are now all infected with Cross Domain Bacteria AKA morgellons.
The ivermectin doesn't work on these so far as I have seen.
Nobody I have challenged to do the proper testing has not found them in the last 6 months, and when aware of the full progression of the technology all want it removed..
For me now I see the jab as the perfect red herring to cover up what has really been done to us all. Jabbed or not.
Respect and regards,
matt
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Dr. David Nixon & Dr. Anna Mihaelcea seem to think that the nanotech is 'plastic' and inorganic - so normal organics don't work for them.
Based on their advice, I've resorted to a trial of borax (coupla months now) - just put some in a salt shaker and "salt" my water. Tiny amounts, regularly. Seems to be good, safe.
I'm now adding a trial of colloidal gold. As I understand it, you do the gold in "cleansing courses," every so often. I'm going to try a month.
I can't say I feel any less like a robot. Been taking IVM prophylactically for 2 years now. I'm not saying I ever did feel like a robot - but I sure see a lot of robotic people around... I just saw too many videos, and can't really get to a live blood analysis specialist. The Glutathione IV people will come to my house at $600 a pop - that's really out of reach for me (they said they will be getting EDTA soon).
Dr. Nixon says that the borax disables the "legs" of the thing, while the gold shuts down the chips. You still have the "garbage" in you, but it's at least no longer transmitting, or growing, or whatever it is that stuff does.
And yes, it's in all of us. Dr. Anna Mihalcea's practice seems to have focus on Morgellons, which is how this came to her attention.
Here’s good advice: read any medicine’s package insert and take it seriously. Whatever it discloses, you can safely assume it’s worse.
Psychiatry is contemporary witch doctory.
I think it is even worse. It has almost been 15 years since my husband committed suicide (on one of these psych drugs) but I still wonder now and then what would have happened had I just tried St Johns wort, which works so well for me. He might still be alive.
So sorry to hear that, Ingrid.
I do my best to spread the word wide that the psych drugs are no good. He had been on several. Prozac and Abilify for sure. I don't remember the name of the other one. And the doc DID gaslight indeed, although I did not know the term back then, and NEVER listened to what we said. He was angry at me because I interrupted him. My husband had lost so much weight I was worried, even though he had been overweight. He waved it away.
The subject of my academic research career was depression, so I know a lot about antidepressants.
I would move heaven and earth to stop anyone I loved from taking them.
I cry regularly, because so many of my loved ones are caught on them.
And oblivious. Absolutely oblivious. I'm the "mad one," why should they believe me?
Prozac+Abilify? Omg I was on that combo for about a week 20+ years ago when that combo was all the rage in the psy-pharma biz. It was terrifying. It took all my wits to keep myself grounded while the Abilify wore off. And I thought the SNRI was bad.
One would think psychiatric medicine wouldn’t evoke descriptors like Terrifying or Hellish but there it is
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So is most of oncology.
It is a religion, or cult.
And a means of control. Inconvenient women? Easy...we have a pill for that. Someone is scary because they are professing a reality I cannot share? Yep, we've got a pill for that, too.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us.