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Dee Smith's avatar

There is one aspect of data centers that must be considered here. These centers will ultimately become surveillance centers collecting and centralizing unprecedented amounts of information on every American, moving the Land of the Free toward communist-style surveillance. And with surveillance comes control. We’re already seeing some of this as those who raise objections to certain agendas are censored, de-banked, de-jobbed, etc.

If you want to see where the world is headed, look at China’s control grid. Conformity is rewarded with high social credit scores, which allow citizens access to the essentials—food, housing, transportation, jobs…. Those who don’t conform are cut off from the essentials.

It’s not a pretty thought, but the end game is control of every human being on the globe as the UN proceeds to ID the global population. The data centers will pave the way to global tyranny.

A Midwestern Doctor's avatar

One of the fundamental challenge every government has faced is that it's not possible to support assigning a soldier to each civilian to ensure social compliance (due to the economic constraints 1 in 100 to 1 in 20 is the maximum that's ever been possible), so depending on the society, various approaches have been tried to lower that ratio (e.g., making public examples so everyone is scared into compliance propaganda to independently motivate the populace into supporting the state's mission or developing economic levers that can applied to everyone and induce compliance). One of the major things AI does it make it actually possible to individually monitor each person (which is similar to it being affordable to have a soldier for every member of the populace). That's never been possible before, and it opens the doorway to a massive potential for abuse and tyranny much in the same way AI weaponry does by removing human restraint from murder.

Peter Petrosino's avatar

Pardon what may come across as impertinence, but, given your above stated insights about the potentially catastrophic effects of AI in the hands of government, why does your article seem to tangentially support its implementation? Consider the progression we have seen with technology since the 1970s. Handheld calculators were adopted under the premise that students would then be able to work out mathematical problems in a fraction of the time that hand calculation would require. We now have students who cannot use that same device to calculate a simple percentage, given the two numbers required. Smart phones were promised to put the world at everyone's fingertips, enabling them to be far more knowledgeable than previous generations. Instead, the smart devices have created dumb users, increasingly distracted, with alarmingly diminished attention spans and abysmal cognitive motivation. Have you not already seen the explosion in intellectual laziness that AI has already created? Your article, while raising an interesting point regarding power generation, is based on several potentially false premises. One is that AI development is necessary and desirable, therefore we should help problem solve issues regarding its power generation needs. That is akin to coaching the person about to stab you in the back on techniques to inflict maximum damage with the weapon. Have you considered that the lofty promises made about AI's capabilities are false and the AI movement is simply a financial bubble created to further enrich the parasite class (sound like COnVID at all?)? Another assumption is that large volumes of fresh coolant water are endlessly required and should be permitted. Why not require any facility with large scale liquid cooling needs to operate a closed loop system, recycling and reusing the same volume of water repeatedly (think of your car)? this would eliminate strains on potable water supplies and would eliminate concerns over polluted effluent water. And waste heat is only waste if you treat it as such. Harvested heat from the system could be put to endless beneficial uses (indoor heating for all sorts of facilities and homes, year round tropical greenhouses, heated parking lots, roads, and walkways, Stirling engine electrical production, etc.). Additionally, as someone deeply concerned with the health of Earth's environment, you are ready to offer up Alaska and its pristine wilderness as the optimum site for data center construction? Umm...no.

A Midwestern Doctor's avatar

My view is the implementation is inevitable so we should do what we can to make whatever happens work out in the best way that it can (both how the technologly is physically deployed and how we ethically use it). The only flaw in that argument is that there is a slim possibility the current path is unsustainable and everything will collapse on itself if sane policies are not adopted (e.g., shifting to alaska or green nuclear energy), so doing nothing to try and improve what is happening could potentially ultimately lead to a better outcome.

Peter Petrosino's avatar

Fair enough and thank you for your reply. I certainly disagree with your view of the inevitability of this phenomenon and, as is my nature, I will fight against and eschew the use of AI on all fronts. My hope is that we may both celebrate the dismantling of this pseudo-technology cash grab, regardless of how it comes about in the near future. Although I was provoked by several points raised in your article, I do appreciate your publication of such a thought provoking piece.

Dee Smith's avatar

You’re right! Tyrants throughout history would have loved the kind of individual surveillance AI will make possible.

Mouzer's avatar

In part the problem is the US congress and states have largely avoided laws that would protect citizens instead preferring to advance the Chinese model in law. Even laws protecting medical information is easily overcome unless the patients is careful about with whom they share their data. Foreign businesses like SHOP collect data and create profiles from it. Then you have Flock, which instantly integrates your unique Bluetooth identifiers with your personal data profile in a centralized database as the majority of cameras have been updated to include live signal trace technology. Then, though it can't do much of the work itself, the federal goverment can aqcuire this data and use it. The Fourth Amendment was breached long ago and is being completely shredded. About the best you can do it make it harder for them: don't use SHOP or ones like it, use blockers on your phone when travelling.

EDIT: And use cash as much as possible.

randall jones's avatar

Thank you once again for your detailed narrative.

My only conclusion, and I beg forgiveness for my foul mouth, is that we’re screwed

Dee Smith's avatar

Randall, I assume your comment was intended for AMD. But I’ll just respond by telling you there is hope for mankind! God isn’t surprised by these developments. In fact, He foretold what would happen at the end of this age. In Matthew 24, Jesus explained that there would be pestilence, famine, wars, etc. That’s the bad news.

The Good News is that Jesus came to save mankind and that He is returning “as lightening flashes from the east as far as the west.” But He warned of false prophets who would lead many astray. You can put your faith in Him who is our hope! I urge you to read Matthew 24-25 for yourself if you haven’t already. 🙏🏼

randall jones's avatar

Dee, I am a Believer in the Creator and His goodness and plan. I also believe that the fallen angel Satan, has amassed untold power and influence over a significant part of Humanity and in particular world politicians. We are at a Spiritual crossroads & my earlier remarks were an immature emotional response conveying my deep concern for fellow Humankind.

Thank you Dee for your critic and words

Dee Smith's avatar

I’m glad to hear that you’re a believer in Jesus Christ as your Savior! It’s true that Satan is a powerful foe, but he was defeated when Jesus shed His blood for the sins of mankind and rose from the dead— overcoming hell and death! (Rev 1:18)

Vesco B.'s avatar

Never confuse capitalist-style total surveillance with anything to do with "communist".

Recall that capitalism emerged only after "all spirituality was removed from Europe by the end of 14th century AD, except for a small area in the South-East".

It is Western Europe that always had an anti-human luciferian long term agenda.

Even throughout the 20th century the socialist countries were emulating the level of control the western "elites" had over their populations. Though without the fairy tale about the "free market" and related financial instruments of oppression, the socialist countries could not match that level of control.

Rachel's avatar

There is no social credit score in China. There IS a social credit score in the US. It's called your credit score and your criminal background report. China is demonized and ridiculous stories are told about it so YOU don't realize it's a much better place to live than the US.

Our rulers are highly invested in making you look everywhere BUT to the source of your problems. And the source of your problems is your OWN government, certainly not China. And your own government lies about successful countries so you don't get the idea that you deserve better from your own government.

Dee Smith's avatar

Oh, my, Rachel! Either you’re trolling for the CCP, or you’ve been living in a cave! If you live in the US, I suggest you move to China and try openly criticizing the CCP. You’ll see how China’s social credit scores work. But based on your diction, I don’t think you’re an American. Just guessing.

Rachel's avatar

Yelling to everyone "LOOK OVER THERE" while the US government destroys everything HERE is a tactic the US government does very well. This article has absolutely nothing to do with China yet you've expertly inserted it right into the conversation.

Because we're allowed to discuss our current dystopia as long as there's a looming boogeyman. We must never look at the source of our problems. Your comments and your milisecond reaction time in posting replies makes me question what you’re doing here. To be blunt, you sound like the US intelligence services.

Dee Smith's avatar

Edited: My original comment was critical of US government leaders concerning how data centers will be used for mass surveillance of Americans. So, I’m not sure how you concluded that I’m only criticizing other countries.

I’m adding a link to an interesting article on Stanford University’s website about social credit system used in China. This article explains how the system works in one city. According to the article, this city’s system serves as China’s national model.

https://sccei.fsi.stanford.edu/china-briefs/assessing-chinas-national-model-social-credit-system

Doug Hinschberger's avatar

Thanks, AMD, for this thoughtful article.

Emma's avatar

Hi, do you have any suggestions on how to protect yourself from emfs? I turn my wifi off, phone out of my room. I have various emf protection stickers and plugs. But unfortunately a smart metre was installed in my home, I had no choice) and it’s right on my bedroom wall. I’ve read about aluminium sheeting etc emf paint. But I also don’t want to have a bedroom that reflects all the emfs in the neighbourhood right into my room. Sometimes I feel like we fighting an uphill battle…

A Midwestern Doctor's avatar

Most reliable options are faraday cages

Hike in the Woods's avatar

To protect us from the smart meter on the wall outside the house, we bought a roll of copper sheeting, glued it to a 6-foot square of plywood, framed it with wood, and put it up against the wall with the smart meter on the other side. We tested with an EMF meter, and it blocks the majority of the signal, but not all. I have felt better since.

In our case, we're not worried about it reflecting neighborhood signals, since the nearest occupied house is approximately 100 yards away.

Hike in the Woods's avatar

The smartmeter is on the wall outside the house. The copper sheet is against the wall inside the house, like a huge painting, but resting on the floor. We placed the cooper sheet so that the smartmeter is in the center.

adrienneep's avatar

You mean it was perpendicular to the outside wall with meter?

adrienneep's avatar

I really am astounded that they can put this inside your home.

That said, there are some effective EMF protection things you can use. Faraday fabric usually involved. But there are so many scams. I have used smart phone and router products from Shield Your Body and DefenderShield. Measuring it with a device helps prove what is working.

https://www.shieldyourbody.com/smart-meter-protection/

Mouzer's avatar

There are companies that sell a variety of devices. I added ones that block dirty electricty from my wall plugs, but it is expensive so I only put them near where I spend most of my time in the house. Personally, I would either put a shield up between me and the meter or simply sleep elsewhere. I had one put in my house but it is in the basement, so a distance from the other rooms.

Grace Surey's avatar

MIA the music artist has a clothing brand called OHMNI it protects the body from EMF

J.M. Christian's avatar

You can buy silver threaded sheets in various sizes that plug into wall outlets that ground out emf. Silver lined caps, hats and shirts are also available but be advised the cheap caps on places like eBay aren't silver lined but claim to be. Reputable sellers will show the lining inside of their product, and some also showed their emf blocking test results. The best I've seen so far are at Aegisapparel.co and Higher Mountain, which is available on Amazon.

yantra's avatar

i am sorry to hear that. . .and yes, you are wise to be leery of reflective "fixes" like metal or lead paint on that wall unless the meter is the only source of wireless radiation in your neighborhood (a nil chance). until you can get the meter removed or at least moved elsewhere, i would sleep as far from it as possible - like another room, a garage or wherever. are you in the US or ? and if so, are you certain there is no smartmeter opt-out in your state?

Emma's avatar

I am in Australia and they give us no choice… it got written into an act. It’s disgraceful. We don’t get a say in anything our government does

Penny Carrier's avatar

Whereabouts in Australia are you Emma? It's not a federal policy and you can opt out in most states, but not if you have solar and are feeding back into the grid and getting a rebate for that. I've been looking at this for myself, am in WA as I'm about to install a battery and want to protect myself. Smart meters use RF but they also create dirty electricity. There is a company in Queensland that has a lot of products to help, The owner is very EMR sensitive. Saferemf.com.au and they are very helpful to talk to.

A lot of the building biologists in Aus will hire out a meter so you can measure EMF or you can buy one (200 upwards). I bought a very small reader that fits in your palm, called a mito meter that separately reads RF, LFM and LFE. This allows you to try a mitigation and compare measurements before you use it and then afterwards. As AMD and someone else mentioned, a faraday cage would be good, you could build that yourself. I will be building one for the battery, on 3 sides and above. I also have the electrical switchboard with all the circuit breakers inside my house in a storeroom but backing onto the lounge and am going to install whole home dirty electricity filters from an Australian company Spectral Design designed by the guy who owns it. Using the mito meter will allow me to see if 2 are enough or if I need 3

Emma's avatar

I’m in Qld. I’ve rang Ergon to have it removed they told me they can’t coz it’s legislated. Best I could do was switch of the constant radio frequency or something. I’m going to buy a faraday cage, and also look into a bed canopy

Nicky Gardner's avatar

It is a very great pity that those who promulgate AI as capable of creating a Utopian world are far and away too often only interested in creating their own MEtopian world. As the British used to express it - "I'm alright Jack, bugger you". Too much of our society (Eastern, Western, left, right it doesn't matter) operates by that very principle. As long as I'm okay I don't care about anyone or anything else.

James O'Reilly's avatar

Remarkable walkabout over a lot of terrain. Thank you.

pretty-red, old guy's avatar

The breadth and depth of this review is pretty astounding.

A Midwestern Doctor's avatar

I wanted to try to be thorough so this had the best chance of being implemented once it was seriously looked at and tried to balance that against it also being insightful for people here to read (were the former not the case, I would not have gone into a lot of the granular details the way I did here).

Mark Brody's avatar

Thank you for your exhaustive analysis of the Data Center problem. I would add several thoughts to your well made points, which I acknowledge are arguable:

1. We don't need A.I. It does many things well, but like any technology, it has unforeseeable downstream negative consequences, some potentially catastrophic. It is likely to cause great harm and great good, but the future balance of good/bad is impossible to predict now. Like other technologies it will be more of question of how it is done than whether it is done, and how it is done will likely not be ideal and great harm will likely ensue. It would be more advantageous for the future of humanity to boost natural intelligence, and in particular, wisdom. I propose that A.I. can not have wisdom and that wisdom is more important than intelligence.

2. Data centers are not worth it if it means sickening our country and exhausting its energy and water supply. Destroying America to save it is a terrible deal. It is being sold to us by politicians largely because they are influenced by Big Tech and the banking industry, who are running the show in Washington.

3. The data infrastructure is being built out largely to support a massive surveillance state, as Dee Smith accurately says in the comments. We should be opposing the data center roll out not on just on health grounds, energy affordability grounds, and environmental grounds, but also because it is creating a digital prison for the people, akin to what is currently in place in Communist China.

4. There may indeed be national security risks to not developing A.I., but how big are they? Of course we will never be given a fair assessment of this because releasing this information would be itself deemed a national security risk. There are also likely national security risks of developing A.I but the powers that shouldn't be don't want a full discussion and analysis of these. In short, using the excuse that it is a national security risk to not develop A.I. is a smokescreen behind which Big Tech in collaboration with the federal government can hide to promote their project without proper accountability. I don't trust this excuse and no-one should.

5. That being said, Thorium reacts sound like an excellent idea. I have read about them elsewhere, and in typical American fashion, this least bad solution will probably be arrived at in Churchilian fashion, after all the other options have been tried first. I wouldn't hold my breath.

A Midwestern Doctor's avatar

I share many of the concerns on data centers, but my view essentially is that since I have a large platform, my responsibility is to try and push for the best option I think is realistic to implement (and this is just one part of it). The only alternative I can see is to let everything get worse until a mass revolt happens against everything, but it is unclear if that will happen, particularly since it's highly unlikely anything like that would occur in China, so the systems will get built regardless.

Mark Brody's avatar

The Alaska idea is an excellent one, but I'm putting all my energy into opposing the data centers. Waking up people to the threat of technocratic totalitarianism appears to me the highest priority. Where resistance has been strong, plans for construction have been sometimes blocked. Creating friction wherever possible and garnering support for protecting our fourth amendment rights could not be more timely.

Peter Petrosino's avatar

Your stance is both insightful (except for the Alaska bit) and courageous, two qualities sorely lacking in the original article and the majority of comments here. The fighters like you are the only ones who will ever create actual change. Bravo!

Cprodge's avatar

SMR’s! How can this not be a part of the discussion. Small Nuclear Reactors!

Mike's avatar

I used to look forward to reading your articles. However, the length of your articles are now such a burden that I am starting to pass on reading your articles. Is your reliance on using AI in assisting you in writing your articles providing the practical death knell for readers who have time as a limited resource? AI does not recognize time as a practical constraint whereby humans must deal. My advice is to keep your articles shorter. It is better to provide more short articles that one giant article.

Randy's avatar

My wife, a retired high school English teacher, had a standard answer when students would ask how long their assigned written essay should be. (They were used to being assigned “a 3-page essay,” etc.) She would tell them, “It should be like a girl’s dress, long enough to cover the subject but short enough to be interesting.”

The main headings on Substack articles are used to break the text into topics. Each main heading has a link you can copy to your clipboard by long-pressing just to the left of the head. Read to a main head, then copy the heading address to your clipboard for resuming your reading the next day. Like a book with multiple chapters, you don’t have to read a Substack article in one sitting.

Robert Welch's avatar

The Law of Displacement describes, I believe, how to solve a "problem" in our current reality - A World being run immorally. Put enough pressure on a psychopathically operated money maker and force a change. This doesn't really solve the underlying cause of what's actually going on - a World being run immorally. It's like attending to the wounded in a war between country X and Y. They get saved and the war ends, but another war will start up somewhere else and the whole process continues ad infinitum....... Why have the psychopaths run the World forever, it seems ? Because they will do ANYTHING to gain and keep power and wealth. The moral person is hindered from doing this and so the psychopaths rise to the top. To solve our problems, all of them, what we have to do is not just to go after the evil doing, but to get our World running morally. To do so, one way would be for us to keep and start living morally and when this spreads to enough of the population, moral leaders will be elected. Then, when they have the majority, the World can start to be run morally instead of immorally. Instead of creating a Hell on Earth, as has been the case, we could be creating a Heaven on Earth. Or, as Jesus and Paul claimed, approximately, " The Kingdom of Heaven isn't out there somewhere, it is within you. " So, making laws, rules and regulations in order to create a healthy reality is just playing into the fear mongers hands, by using fear to try to control things - jail, fines, job loss, etc.... The psychopaths just find ways around such attempts. That's just trying to create a heaven by using "out there" tactics which changes nothing regarding a World being run immorally. The change has to come from within and spread like the ripples caused by tossing a stone in a lake, ripples that spread from within, outward in all directions.

A Midwestern Doctor's avatar

That's part of why I try to be a good example to emulate in what I do here, but realistically, I don't know how you solve the psychopath problem. Every society has tried, and the only somewhat effective solutions have been either a benevolent dictatorship (which rarely works, and when it does, falls apart after a few successive rulers) or a system of checks and balances where the psychopaths have to compete against each other for power in a way the populace will somewhat approve (America's system) ideally with some type of cultural moral framework attached (e.g., Judeo-Christianity).

Peter Petrosino's avatar

There is no such phenomenon as "Judeo-Christianity" and reliance on a pre-scripted moral framework is intellectually lazy, serving only to perpetuate the same horrifically corrupt systems already in place. It could be argued that our current predicament has been achieved as a result of the masses blindly following those who perpetually beat the drum of "morality".

Robert Welch's avatar

When I use the term "moral", it's another way of saying, a shorter way to say, " Do unto others as you would have done unto yourself. " Doing so cuts out the Ego - based upon fear, a fear of not being god-like - and goes directly into Love. Our current predicament and ongoing predicament is and has been that the world is run immorally, using fear to gain and maintain power and wealth. The masses blindly following are reacting to fear of not gaining paradise, a tactic used by religions, a fear tactic that causes the resulting morality to be a false one one based on the Ego - fearing not to be god-like, and/or fearing the loss of eternal life.

Peter Petrosino's avatar

I apologize for my misinterpretation of your intent and agree with you wholeheartedly. Great to see someone like you who is actually taking a deep look at the underpinnings of the myriad fear based systems used to subjugate so many. Bravo and I'm happy to have come across you here!

Dave Bross's avatar

The only thing I ever knew that answered that issue was old time tribal societies would expel the bad actors to the wilderness and certain death. No idea what a workable modern solution might be. Love your analogy of modern psychos as gladiator combat in the ring. You could sell tickets!

Robert Welch's avatar

Right, have the gladiator combat become the halftime show at the super bowl. Get Ridley Scott to set it up, tigers and all.......

Robert Welch's avatar

OK, let's take the American system. The checks and balances - rules and regs - are those external attempts to keep things running morally. So, it's a using of the Ego by both sides instead of submitting to doing unto others as you would have them do unto you. The moral side wanting to stop the evil by the use of rules and regs / checks and balances in order to "win" and the immoral side finding ways to sidestep the rules and regs in order for them to "win". A cutting of the Gordian Knot would be for the moral side to let go of the Ego and desire only to do unto others as they would want to be done unto themselves. It's not about winning or losing, it's about love, not fear ( fear of losing ).

The real battle is between the Ego ( fear ) and God ( Love ), as I currently see it. And, most religions have as their basis some variation of " Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. "

Flatulus Maximus's avatar

I was gratified to see you discuss thorium. I read about this alternative nuclear technology decades ago, and was chagrined to learn we abandoned it because it doesn't produce weapons grade material. (Another reason to dislike Tricky Dick.) You mention the possibility of AI collapsing on its own, which is a real possibility. It has all the makings of the next financial crisis. Count on government to involve itself and muck it up by shoving it in the wrong direction. It seems to me the best solution from the electricity standpoint is the new modular reactor tech; let each data center supply its own reactor, and leave the grid alone. I never thought about Alaska, but it's brilliant! It's also interesting to see your analysis of so-called dirty electricity. That's another subject I haven't heard anything about in many years. Great stuff!

pretty-red, old guy's avatar

What great ideas.

Thorium, Sodium breeders, the North Slope with gas looking for a customer.

Trumpie needs to see this. . . Thanks Doc!

A Midwestern Doctor's avatar

My initial thought was Alaska has a low population, is cold and has a supportive regulatory environment, so it, in theory, could work, and then once I dug into it, I was surprised at how many different pieces lined up and how much work the state had already done to make this viable.

Andrew's avatar

If these guys are legit then getting the word out about their innovative tech is a priority

https://theblackswanfiles.substack.com/

pretty-red, old guy's avatar

Really, with the state already looking at it. . . they're thinking hard about it and taxpayers are trained in receiving comp. for oil resources drawn out. . . just a baby step more to take a cut of the AI profits while it uses natural gas and cold sea water for cooling. The entire campus could be held down to 50°F to facilitate cooling more with no energy input at all.

This is so much better than Elon's pie in the sky idea for AI in space-- something I thought originally made "some" sense.

A no-brainer.

Suggestion: work on this idea, pare down to "simple enough for a politician", then the MW Doc army can mass drop this on the white house with letters to Trumpie.

I assume you are aware of Jeff Childer's "army" at Coffee & Covid. We have done some pretty neat things. . . just saying.

Behind you all the way Doc.

A Midwestern Doctor's avatar

I can't prove this, but I suspect his actual reason for pushing for it is to build a prototype for the one which will be needed to colonize mars.

pretty-red, old guy's avatar

It seems there is no second-guessing Elon Musk. I am convinced he is the Edison / Nicholai Tesla of the 21st Century.

See Jeff Childer's substack today about Tesla's GOLD driverless taxis in Austin, Tx. . . 45 of them are taking customers, no brake pedal, no driver's wheel, just a video screen.

(Waymo data proves the concept is safter than human drivers.)

Amazing. Plans for 125,000 production / yr.

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/revolutionary-reform-monday-labor

Peter Petrosino's avatar

Because money is the most widely worshipped god.

pretty-red, old guy's avatar

huh.

comment appears UNcorrelated to statement, but conclusion is true.

KJO's avatar

I live on the outskirts of Edmond, OK in an attempt to be more rural. But I have no idea where the nearest data centers are or will be. (We have a problem with Marijuana grow houses run by questionable entities using our scarce water supply already!). What practical things can at least help until we arrive at more sane state and national policy? (1) Does it help to replace builder grade windows with better ones that repel sound? I had those at my old house. (2) put a timer on the WIFI router to turn off at night. (3) our smart meter is on the far side of our house behind a 3rd garage bay, away from bedrooms. (4) would filling up the borders of my .5 acre lot with a dense evergreen screen help anything? (5) We need some actionable steps to take beyond political activities to block these when we can. Thank you for your ideas. I hope someone influential is listening!

A Midwestern Doctor's avatar

I really don't know. I haven't been able to find a good solution for making it tolerable to live by a data center and I'm genuinely worried I may have to move in the future due to the current roll out plans. So what I put here was what I feel represents the best shot for making this work for everyone.

adrienneep's avatar

EMF protection products can be a real scam but I have used several faraday blockers (for phone and router) from Shield Your Body or DefenderShield. They do sell handheld meters that can measure the dirty electricity and EMF. But I like all of your suggestions. Better windows are always good. And trees do help a lot more, like for air quality and flooding.

Finally, family prayer can shield all.

https://www.shieldyourbody.com/smart-meter-protection/

Max McCurry's avatar

The kindest thing that a newly married couple can ever do is not to have children.

John Gross's avatar

Have children, avoid vaccines and find a lifestyle that lets you homeschool them, in a community that will give mutual support.

Max McCurry's avatar

You've missed the point. It's about the permanent loss of democracy, the destruction of the environment from rapid climate change, an extreme K-shaped economy, and the loss of human control over smart machines.

John Gross's avatar

I believe that a loving family rooted in a strong community can survive any storm. That’s why socialists first act is to destroy families and communities.

Max McCurry's avatar

Many such 'loving families' did not survive the storms of the holocaust and fascist Germany. Today in the USA, fascist MAGA and ICE are destroying families.

MSB's avatar

Is it necessarily the socialists though? Maybe in the US it is, but they often seem to be socialists with Napoleon-pig characteristics ("Some pigs are more equal than others", Animal Farm). Meryl Nass recently posted an interesting piece written by a journalist about Gloria Steinem. It well-depicted how it was actually what people call the "deep state" that has been trying to destroy families and communities.

A Midwestern Doctor's avatar

Life is all about adaptation and finding ways to thrive in the current circumstances. While some of this is quite depressing, there have been many far worse periods in the past.

Max McCurry's avatar

It's going to get 'far worse' soon. Likely driven by stock and bond market collapses due to inflation, the $40 trillion national debt, and foreign governments' refusal to continue holding US govt long-term bonds. The oligarchs and the administration's gangsters will thrive, but the middle and lower classes will suffer terribly.

Randy's avatar

That’s why I’m diligently working to become an oligarch or gangster before the crash hits.

Max McCurry's avatar

Iran no longer has international inspection of its uranium enrichment. It is reasonable to expect that Iran will now accelerate the development of an atomic bomb. They could even receive help from North Korea, despite our president saying he and Kim Jong Un "fell in love". After they build and successfully test a bomb, the religious fanatics could transport one to Washington and explode it as revenge for the US bombing and killing their former leaders. Perhaps this can be categorized as one of the 'far worse periods'.

MSB's avatar

Some of Trump's, Hegseth's and Vance's words certainly come across as said by religious fanatics. If Iran decides to get a nuclear weapon, it'll be because they can see the the US is not trustworthy and having that as a deterrent may be the only way to put an end to these types of incessant on-off forays. So far though , they've shown a great deal of restraint. And in doing so, demonstrated to the rest of the world that they are not necessarily the bad guys touted by the US.

Vasile's avatar

Why doesn't substack have a dislike button, because I wanted to very much mark this commend as a dislike.

pretty-red, old guy's avatar

well that IS a good solution but 2nd best is go up there on the right side above Max's comment and find the 3 little dots. Click there and voila' an alternative!

pretty-red, old guy's avatar

Well Max your response makes it very clear you have been infected by the virus.

TDS: Trump derangement syndrome with associated Global Warming & the Sky is Falling syndromes.

Please see the doctor for your TDS,GBS,SIFS maladies. . .

(Not the MW Doc though.)

Find help at your local Blue sky website, Democratic National Headquarters in the preferred states of California, Illinois, New York, Minnesota, Colorado, and Massachussets!

Better yet move to Europe; I hear Ireland worked well for Rosie.

Joy Metcalf's avatar

You mean, contribute to the demise of the human race? Western countries are already below replacement rates, and as more immigration takes place and the children (hopefully) assimilate, their replacement rates will fall as well.

Joy Metcalf's avatar

With the last election, we had, as usual, a choice between the lesser of two evils. However, with the team that Trump put around him, especially RFK Jr, I voted for Trump. I've watched him break promise after promise and watched well-qualified people leave his cabinet because they were pushing back against the PTB. I've been dismayed at not just the proliferation of the data centers, but the pushback against those being directly affected. Now I find that it was Trump pushing this all along, just as he pushed 5G and is now pushing 6G technology.

I do think he was the lesser of two evils, no doubt about it, but I just wish someone with some ethics and morals, someone with as much care for people as business, would come along and be in a position of power. Wishful thinking, I know, but the world looks pretty dismal with the current state of affairs. I'm just grateful that there are still a relative handful of thinking people on earth who can look at alternative solutions. Now we need to implement some of them.

Of course, the one thing that gives me peace is that we seem to be in the Last Days, and we know who wins.

pretty-red, old guy's avatar

Well come on now, Joy.

It ain't all that bad. TRUE Trumpie is no perfect savior as many may have naively wished for. He also championed the damn jabs in 2020. Ya' gotta' take the bad with the good he has done and facilitated, like it or not. I could provide a VERY long list of things Trumpie has been responsible for that would make a liberal's head spin-- maybe yours too.

The human race is not in its last days but perhaps the USA may be nearing the decade for its long decline. People have prophesied "last days" events for centuries, actually.

THIS, right now, today, is just the . . . world. Man is here to both suffer and learn. Be grateful for life, your family, every single beautiful day.

Have a good one.

Aja's avatar

The purpose of data centers will be borne out when the financial model fails. Data centers will be our digital slavery.

Inisfad's avatar

If the current theory from a rising number of astronomers, geologists, etc., who are watching the reduction of the earth’s magnetic field, the flipping of the earth’s magnetic poles, and increasing evidence of geologic ‘disturbance’ due to repeat solar activity in our solar system is correct, then, frankly, none of this makes any difference. It is now being theorized that the sun micronovas every 6,000 years, with massive extinction events every 12,000, and that our ‘race’ toward the next solar event, having begun with the Carrington Event in 1859, may potentially happen sometime during this century. In the meantime, we are so bombarded with EMF through the Smart phones, appliances, WIFI, batteries, Bluetooth, etc., that ridding humanity of this EMF issue would be virtually impossible. IMHO.

Edie Chevalier's avatar

I am very interested in what you have to say but you make it extremely difficult to get to the “meat of the matter”. If you took out all of the parentheses and sidebar comments it would be much more palatable!

A Midwestern Doctor's avatar

That's part of what differentiates this from AI writing, but also why I later published abridged versions without the extra details

JudyC's avatar

Personally, I like the sidebars.

Joy Metcalf's avatar

Just skip them when reading.

Teresa's avatar

The video link below proposes a solution to the data center buildout problems in the lower forty eight states. Since the future financial stability of the data centers is a concern, considering once the IPOs are done & venture capitalists have gotten their money out they won't care about what happens to the data centers or the communities they are built in, The speaker in the video proposes, bonds be posted by the data center companies before they put a shovel in the ground. This is to protect the community's from any future problems. If the data centers Community promises and the future jobs never materialize, A bond posted before building will be available to remediate any environmental damage done by the build out of a now defunct and abandoned data center - if they are required from the companies before starting to build. The video explains it better than I can.

https://substack.com/@justindeschamps/note/c-326587767?r=gvj3